Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[Pokecheque]

Svechnikov sucks. 1 more playoff run with Rants would be better.

I'm not really a fan either. I think he's *good* but not a great player. Certainly not a high impact player come playoff time.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

“Hey guys, I know I just gave up assets for an impending UFA goalie and signed him to what is probably a slight overpayment, but we’ve decided to go asset management mode regarding Mikko and traded him away for some picks/prospects and a 2nd/3rd line forward.

No no, I know he’s 2nd in the NHL in points. I know he’s a beast in the playoffs. I hear you MacK, you’re not getting any younger. We know this was a key year to go all-in for a Cup win, but trading him and looking towards the future is what is best for business.

Good luck guys, we believe in you.”

 

[hockeyfish]

I'm not really a fan either. I think he's *good* but not a great player. Certainly not a high impact player come playoff time.

He did score at a ppg rate last years playoffs.

 

[Bender]

If things go perfectly we can win with this team. Without Rants we can't. Imo. No way he trades him, because of that.

Again, another post where IF we trade Rants we get nothing in return?

He's a great offensive player but he's not MacKinnon or Makar...he's not in that tier.

That's the reason he's still unsigned because he thinks he is but Avs management know better.

I've said it before, his stats inflate his value because he's playing with 2 of the top 5 players in the world.

If he was on almost any other team, he'd still likely be a point-per-game player but he probably wouldn't be a 100 point player.

So then he'd be looking at Guentzel/Reinhart-type money.

In the end, I think it's unlikely he gets dealt but it's certainly not impossible. The hurricanes are interesting because they've kinda backed themselves into a corner with Necas with the contract they gave him so, like the Avs did with ROR a bunch of years ago, he's probably on borrowed time in Carolina. If the Canes added a top prospect like Morrow, that would be certainly something to really think about.

 

[Bender]

“Hey guys, I know I just gave up assets for an impending UFA goalie and signed him to what is probably a slight overpayment, but we’ve decided to go asset management mode regarding Mikko and traded him away for some picks/prospects and a 2nd/3rd line forward.

No no, I know he’s 2nd in the NHL in points. I know he’s a beast in the playoffs. I hear you MacK, you’re not getting any younger. We know this was a key year to go all-in for a Cup win, but trading him and looking towards the future is what is best for business.

Good luck guys, we believe in you.”

Hmmm how about - "Hey Mack, we just resigned Mikko to MORE than what you make because we know he's your friend and you enjoy playing with him. You're not an idiot so you understand that this is going to screw us over cap-wise for the foreseeable future but you don't care right, since you're not really that competitive and don't really mind if we just become a mid-team, right?

I am sure that you enjoy it - like we all do - when Mikko "loses an edge" in the corner with no one around him rather than backcheck 10 times a game...it's really hilarious when he does that."

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Hmmm how about - "Hey Mack, we just resigned Mikko to MORE than what you make because we know he's your friend and you enjoy playing with him. You're not an idiot so you understand that this is going to screw us over cap-wise for the foreseeable future but you don't care right, since you're not really that competitive and don't really mind if we just become a mid-team, right?

I am sure that you enjoy it - like we all do - when Mikko "loses an edge" in the corner with no one around him rather than backcheck 10 times a game...it's really hilarious when he does that."

Sorry, but you’re on your own with this one, old friend.

 

[EdAVSfan]

“Hey guys, I know I just gave up assets for an impending UFA goalie and signed him to what is probably a slight overpayment, but we’ve decided to go asset management mode regarding Mikko and traded him away for some picks/prospects and a 2nd/3rd line forward.

No no, I know he’s 2nd in the NHL in points. I know he’s a beast in the playoffs. I hear you MacK, you’re not getting any younger. We know this was a key year to go all-in for a Cup win, but trading him and looking towards the future is what is best for business.

Good luck guys, we believe in you.”

Yeah, I think it’s an incredibly difficult thing to spin to this team.
All of the best guys on this team that were there for the cup win know what Rants was for it. Even if you get a great deal in a trade, there’s no question the player coming back is not as good.
It’s pretty hard for the team, at least in the short term, to not be bummed by a current season downgrade.

Put me in the camp that doesn’t believe a trade is possible. They’ll re-sign him, or lose out in UFA, but they’ll at least have their cap space problem solved. Maybe there are some cap strapped teams to take advantage of in the offseason.

 

[hockeyfish]

Hmmm how about - "Hey Mack, we just resigned Mikko to MORE than what you make because we know he's your friend and you enjoy playing with him. You're not an idiot so you understand that this is going to screw us over cap-wise for the foreseeable future but you don't care right, since you're not really that competitive and don't really mind if we just become a mid-team, right?

I am sure that you enjoy it - like we all do -

I really doubt Mack would give a rats fart about Rantanen making more than him. I agree with some of your arguments, but this part I just don’t see.

 

[Foppa2118]

CMac and Sakic have been aggressive moving in and out supplementary pieces, but they've also shown a lot of commitment to their core. Sakic and PL share that same philosophy.

Landy was re-signed. Nate re-signed. Toews re-signed. Makar obviously re-signed.

They also take into account what their core wants to do. I think Makar wanting Toews re-signed, had a lot to do with him being re-signed.

Nate wanted an aggressive move last year and he got one.

MacKinnon might be the biggest reason Mikko gets re-signed. He wants to play with Mikko, that's partially why Bednar always plays them together, and I really doubt he cares if he ends up getting paid more, though the Avs will try to keep Mikko to Nate's $12.6M.

It's taking a while, but I still think they get this done. Avs are just playing hardball like they did with Landy. If they'll do that to their captain, they'll do it to anybody.

 

[Avs9296]

Sorry, but you’re on your own with this one, old friend.

Aww come on, I was enjoying the fan fiction going on between you two.

 

[Bender]

Yeah, I think it’s an incredibly difficult thing to spin to this team.
All of the best guys on this team that were there for the cup win know what Rants was for it. Even if you get a great deal in a trade, there’s no question the player coming back is not as good.
It’s pretty hard for the team, at least in the short term, to not be bummed by a current season downgrade.

Put me in the camp that doesn’t believe a trade is possible. They’ll re-sign him, or lose out in UFA, but they’ll at least have their cap space problem solved. Maybe there are some cap strapped teams to take advantage of in the offseason.

I understand where you're coming from and I think the probability that he resigns with the Avs is probably 90% rather than he doesn't 10%.

One thing about the Avs though, historically they don't usually sign a player to more than what they are actually worth. Those that believed they were in a different stratosphere than they actually were, ended up on different teams. Whether that's Drury after winning a Cup in 2001 or RoR with that while sideshow circus.

Those players were eventually moved - and that's what C-Mac's job is - it's not to make moves that are populat in the room, it's to make the right moves for this team and for its future. Trading away Tyson Barrie probably wasn't a popular move in the dressing room but it had to be done. If Mikko wants $14M, I expect he won't be with this team next year but that will have been HIS choice.

I really doubt Mack would give a rats fart about Rantanen making more than him. I agree with some of your arguments, but this part I just don’t see.

Agreed - he wouldn't care about that but he might care about having a better overall team.

 

[Foppa2118]

I understand where you're coming from and I think the probability that he resigns with the Avs is probably 90% rather than he doesn't 10%.

One thing about the Avs though, historically they don't usually sign a player to more than what they are actually worth. Those that believed they were in a different stratosphere than they actually were, ended up on different teams. Whether that's Drury after winning a Cup in 2001 or RoR with that while sideshow circus.

Those players were eventually moved - and that's what C-Mac's job is - it's not to make moves that are populat in the room, it's to make the right moves for this team and for its future. Trading away Tyson Barrie probably wasn't a popular move in the dressing room but it had to be done. If Mikko wants $14M, I expect he won't be with this team next year but that will have been HIS choice.


Agreed - he wouldn't care about that but he might care about having a better overall team.

Fair points, but I think there's a difference in how the Avs view core players, versus secondary players.

ROR and Barrie weren't really ever viewed in that "core" category IMO. So when they tried to play hardball back at the Avs, they were willing to lose them. Mikko is also a better player than those two.

They also had an internal replacement for Barrie in Makar, as well as the recently drafted Byram. Without that, I think Barrie probably gets re-signed to an overpayment.

I think Sakic took a few things from PL, and one was how they build a team around a core. PL would pinch pennies on the role players, and trade or let walk guys that were due raises, but all of that was so he could afford to spend what it took to keep his star core players, that commanded big contracts.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I'm assuming that if we trade an extended Rants to Carolina Necas++ is coming this way.

I'll be shocked if Mikko isn't signed long-term, as he should be, but you know who would look good on this team? A 24 year old Svechnikov signed for three more years at $7.75M/yr.

They're not going to trade Mikko.

It's either a re-signing or he walks. If nothing else, that frees up cap room.

You know what? I said and made the case as to why they're not trading Mikko in a discussion with Henchy, who thought they'd eventually cave.

They're clearly willing to take the player all the way to the cliffs edge and let him look into the abis, and leave if he wants.

Stastny left, Landeskog stayed. Landeskog was our captain at the time too.

But.. I'm not one who believes a team is actually going to step up and give you Necas +, if one does, fkn trade his ass after one last contract offer to stay. If he wants top dollar, and the Canes are willing to give it plus give us a player of that caliber absolutely.

I'll believe it when I see it. We have already seen them walk our captain to UFA. That they've proven willing to do.

A hockey trade for a pending UFA? Never say never but.. not likely.

 

[Foppa2118]

Stastny left, Landeskog stayed. Landeskog was our captain at the time too.

Felt like Staz may have misled the team into thinking he was likely to stay, with comments he made around the deadline, but then chased top dollar instead.

I always had a suspicion the team wasn't terribly happy with this. May be why they never really decided to bring him back for Cup runs, when they had multiple chances to, and a 3C role he would have been a good fit for.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Fair points, but I think there's a difference in how the Avs view core players, versus secondary players.

ROR and Barrie weren't really ever viewed in that "core" category IMO. So when they tried to play hardball back at the Avs, they were willing to lose them. Mikko is also a better player than those two.

They also had an internal replacement for Barrie in Makar, as well as the recently drafted Byram. Without that, I think Barrie probably gets re-signed to an overpayment.

I think Sakic took a few things from PL, and one was how they build a team around a core. PL would pinch pennies on the role players, and trade or let walk guys that were due raises, but all of that was so he could afford to spend what it took to keep his star core players, that commanded big contracts.

I think ROR was part of the core until he signed that offer sheet.

I still would have loved for them to have took it, called AZ to warn them so AZ could flip him right back to us lol. That was some crazy shit irrc.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Felt like Staz may have misled the team into thinking he was likely to stay, with comments he made around the deadline, but then chased top dollar instead.

I always had a suspicion the team wasn't terribly happy with this. May be why they never really decided to bring him back for Cup runs, when they had multiple chances to, and a 3C role he would have been a good fit for.

Yeah, but they still took the risk, and then did it again. You're right though, Roy was vocal about it too. Staz told the DP straight up he was willing to take a hometown discount.

I kinda feel the same way, but there was a couple times Staz would of been a natural fit. Especially early in the 2C need days before they got Kadri.

ROR I wouldn't mind as a 3C though.

 

[Foppa2118]

I think ROR was part of the core until he signed that offer sheet.

I still would have loved for them to have took it, called AZ to warn them so AZ could flip him right back to us lol. That was some crazy shit irrc.

On his way perhaps, but he really only had one year of a meaningful role in the top six before the OS.

His role was kinda maxed out at 2C though, and that's not really a position that's viewed as part of your core. It's usually 1C, a winger or two, and a defenseman or two.

 

[CobraAcesS]

On his way perhaps, but he really only had one year of a meaningful role in the top six before the OS.

His role was kinda maxed out at 2C though, and that's not really a position that's viewed as part of your core. It's usually 1C, a winger or two, and a defenseman or two.

Yeah, I think he bet on himself, he wasn't fully there with a track record of production. I don't blame him for betting on himself and sticking to it either.

 

[hockeyfish]

I understand where you're coming from and I think the probability that he resigns with the Avs is probably 90% rather than he doesn't 10%.

One thing about the Avs though, historically they don't usually sign a player to more than what they are actually worth. Those that believed they were in a different stratosphere than they actually were, ended up on different teams. Whether that's Drury after winning a Cup in 2001 or RoR with that while sideshow circus.

Those players were eventually moved - and that's what C-Mac's job is - it's not to make moves that are populat in the room, it's to make the right moves for this team and for its future. Trading away Tyson Barrie probably wasn't a popular move in the dressing room but it had to be done. If Mikko wants $14M, I expect he won't be with this team next year but that will have been HIS choice.


Agreed - he wouldn't care about that but he might care about having a better overall team.

Come on, the guy who traded Drury has been dead for 4 years. Any relevance it has to the current front office is tiny, if it exists at all. And ROR was an ass who had no desire to play here. Also, not relevant.

 

[Foppa2118]

Yeah, I think he bet on himself, he wasn't fully there with a track record of production. I don't blame him for betting on himself and sticking to it either.

I will acknoledge 2C was part of a team's core more often pre cap. Sakic-Forsberg, Yzerman-Federov, Modano-Nieuwendyk.

Feels like Crosby-Malkin is the outlier in the cap era though. Maybe Thornton-Marleau/Pavelski, but that never really worked for them. Toronto is trying it with Matthews-Tavares, but it also hasn't worked so far.

All of these guys were pretty talented, high end 2C's that produced offense like 1C's in their day though. ROR was more that hard working, all around 2C, with a bit less offense.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I will acknoledge 2C was part of a team's core more often pre cap. Sakic-Forsberg, Yzerman-Federov, Modano-Nieuwendyk.

Feels like Crosby-Malkin is the outlier in the cap era though. Maybe Thornton-Marleau/Pavelski, but that never really worked for them. Toronto is trying it with Matthews-Tavares, but it also hasn't worked so far.

All of these guys were pretty talented, high end 2C's that produced offense like 1C's in their day though. ROR was more that hard working, all around 2C, with a bit less offense.

Except he won a cup as a 1C. He was getting some hype as a Toews and Bergeron type 1C.

 

[Foppa2118]

Except he won a cup as a 1C. He was getting some hype as a Toews and Bergeron type 1C.

Technically, but I never viewed him as a 1C, and that was his outlier year with 77 points. Outside of that he was a 60 point guy. 69 with Nashville last year though with scoring way up.

I still maintain that Blues Cup team was a fluke in the cap era, similar to how Carolina was the previous era. They weren't that good, just nobody else had a good playoffs.

 

[The Abusement Park]

What? No.


Interesting that you think they play the same kind of game?

I don’t think they play the same style of game, but I find them somewhat similarly frustrating players.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I don’t think they play the same style of game, but I find them somewhat similarly frustrating players.

So more like Mikko frustrating?


If by some miracle the Canes are willing to give up a player like that my initial preference would be Svechnikov, but I haven't watched the Canes this season to see Necas break out.

 

[dahrougem2]

Felt like Staz may have misled the team into thinking he was likely to stay, with comments he made around the deadline, but then chased top dollar instead.

I always had a suspicion the team wasn't terribly happy with this. May be why they never really decided to bring him back for Cup runs, when they had multiple chances to, and a 3C role he would have been a good fit for.

Might also be why for his 1000th game tribute video, the only Avalanche member to make an appearance was Gabriel Landeskog and it was mighty quick.