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Brother, that's not an obsession with Kakko. It's a desire to boot Wood to the moon lol
Eh, I guess I just made my thoughts on Wood known above. I don't happen to agree. Yes, I would move him...but not just to move him. I get that it's hard as hell for me to sit here and defend the dude while he's injured but when he's in the lineup he's given his all. Dude's even played 2nd line for much longer than any of us think he should've. But...if I'm not mistaken. Wood was actually the first of the Wood-RosCo-LOC group to be promoted to the 2nd line last year. That tells me Bednar at least appreciates him more than some around here.
 
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Wood is clean. When he's on the ice, he leaves everything there. I know folks say he's overpaid...and to be honest he really probably is. But just how far overpaid is he? When he's in the lineup just how far do you find him lacking as a bottom 6 forward? I agree, his hit is huge right now when on the 4th line, but the dude has also unfortunately spent a chunk of time on the 2nd line for us. I would much rather have Lehky and LOC as 3rd line wingers to Wood but Lehky is firmly implanted in our top six for good reason.

I'm simply amongst the minority (heck, I might be alone), but I don't see a need to trade Wood just to get him off the team. I get that it's hard for me to stand here and defend him while injured. The only real valid complaint I feel is that when the Avs are healthy enough to have the kind of depth that would push him solely to the 4th line. At times Wood-Colton-O'Connor were regularly beating other teams 2nd lines just due to sheer effort and hustle.

2.5M is a hell of a lot of money, but I've never questioned Wood's heart or motor. I can agree that he's overpaid, but I feel it's more in the 250K range than the 1.5M range.

I'm with you. Miles is fine. They need a guy like him in the bottom six. They need his physicality, his energy, his passion.

This team needs guy's with swagger because they can get a bit moody and lack confidence. Miles is the kind of guy that can wake a bench up with the way he plays. That's a big need for this team, especially in the playoffs.

His contract will be no big deal soon and nickel and diming your role players isn't a great approach IMO.

He hasn't even played in a few weeks, and I'm not sure if we know if he was playing injured or not anyway. If they ever reunite the Wood-Colton-LOC line again, and it plays like it did before, nobody will want Wood traded.
 
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This might be the first time I've brought up Kakko. I don't even like him.

As @dahrougem2 said, my obsession is for Wood to.....

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Hey buddy, I'm sorry. I'm not sure who it is but someone around here has been beating the drums for Kaako for the longest time. I eventually kinda tuned it out but when I saw your post, I obviously misplaced all the previous ones on you.

I understand what you want, but I just don't get it. Do you think Drury would give us Kakko for Wood straight up? 2.4M for 2.5M? I would think since he's giving up the younger player and the cheaper salary he's be wanting a lot more than Wood back. Is getting Wood off the team so important that you take a player you are not sure would be a good fit for equal salary while also potentially handing out assets AND get ready to hand over a raise to Kaaapo this summer on top of what Rants is going to need.
 
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I do , I can't stand the player and you can spin it anyway you want . The dude is weak, slow and -17. Now the Avs still need a 2C.

No.other forward is even close to.-17. If they were we could call it a bad team thing but they aren't. He's the only one

The issue with Mitts defense, is that like his offense, it's inconsistent.

He can bust his tail, and have great awareness one shift/game, and then the next he'll just leave his man wide open beside the net. He can also manage the puck very well one shift/game, and then have multiple careless turnovers the next.

IMO it's not really fair to use analytics to define players you don't like, and then when it comes to players you do, say they lack context. Or that he hasn't been with the best linemates, or he's in a mental funk. The guy they traded for Mitts, who's currently just a few points behind in less games as a defenseman, didn't get those excuses, and he was basically a sophomore in terms of games played. Mitts is a vet.

Mitt's will have some good games again, but this is the player everyone should have expected they were getting when the trade was made. A good, but not great, inconsistent, 60 point tweener, that leaves you wanting more, and who they wouldn't be able to sign long term.
 
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I'm with you. Miles is fine. They need a guy like him in the bottom six. They need his physicality, his energy, his passion.

This team needs guy's with swagger because they can get a bit moody and lack confidence. Miles is the kind of guy that can wake a bench up with the way he plays. That's a big need for this team, especially in the playoffs.

His contract will be no big deal soon and nickel and diming your role players isn't a great approach IMO.

He hasn't even played in a few weeks, and I'm not sure if we know if he was playing injured or not anyway. If they ever reunite the Wood-Colton-LOC line again, and it plays like it did before, nobody will want Wood traded.
I don't mind Wood BUT I also don't think the Avs need him.

I do think his injury is showing just how little depth this team has, though. Rather than running Wood on line 3 it's Kiviranta.
 
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The issue with Mitts defense, is that like his offense, it's inconsistent.

He can bust his tail, and have great awareness one shift/game, and then the next he'll just leave his man wide open beside the net. He can also manage the puck very well one shift/game, and then have multiple careless turnovers the next.

IMO it's not really fair to use analytics to define players you don't like, and then when it comes to players you do, say they lack context. Or that he hasn't been with the best linemates, or he's in a mental funk. The guy they traded for Mitts, who's currently just a few points behind in less games as a defenseman, didn't get those excuses, and he was basically a sophomore in terms of games played. Mitts is a vet.

Mitt's will have some good games again, but this is the player everyone should have expected they were getting when the trade was made. A good, but not great, inconsistent, 60 point tweener, that leaves you wanting more, and who they wouldn't be able to sign long term.
There is definitely something going on with Mitts.

At this point, I think I kinda wonder if he's playing injured. He's poor spell has lasted longer than a flu should, so....

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do know it does not involve throwing him away. This is a coaching/player development/system thing not a lack of talent or dum-dum thing. At least, that's how I'm reading it.
 
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Avs need a major shake-up. This team is mid at best.

Either coaching change or trade a core player ... looking at you Mikko (sign and trade Mikko to his 14-15m that he wants and the Avs dont want to pay for Brady)
This is what seperates PL from CMac.

PL made BOLD moves to improve, even if it involved big pieces. CMac makes moves to react to his poor roster decisions.
 

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There is definitely something going on with Mitts.

At this point, I think I kinda wonder if he's playing injured. He's poor spell has lasted longer than a flu should, so....

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do know it does not involve throwing him away. This is a coaching/player development/system thing not a lack of talent or dum-dum thing. At least, that's how I'm reading it.

Maybe Mitts is injured. But this is also par for the course during his whole career, where he has hot, and then very cold streaks leaving fans frustrated.

He's got all the tools to be a very good player, but he just lacks consistency. He hasn't been able to put it all together outside 2-3 short stretches during a season. Which decreases his overall impact on a team.

They definitely can't trade him, unless he's packaged for a better 2C, which seems unlikely. This is the path they've decided to go down. He'll have better games soon. All that matters is that they happen during the playoffs.
 
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With the cap hits, I’d rather run Kiviranta honestly. Don’t get me wrong, both suck… I’d just rather suck comes cheap.
It's not like Wood puts up a lot of points, but Miles Wood does have a .32 P/GP compared to Kivi's 0.18.

I love Kivi and there is exactly one spot in the bottom six for him. Is it really Wood he needs to be replacing?

Wood ranks up with other Avalanche luminaries such as Zach Parise, NAK, Lawnchair Man (John Mitchell), Tyson Jost and something called a Wayne Van Dorp. Kivi ranks more with the Mark Rycroft, Chris Durno, Cody McLeod and Brad Larsen's.
 

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PL never had a cap to work around

He did in his final year as GM, before moving up to President.

He allegedly overlooked the bonus structure impacting their cap. For Blake and Sakic iirc. Which led to losing Forsberg, Foote, and later on Tanguay.

Great non cap GM, but the cap world wasn't for him.
 
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I said it wasn’t enough.

"That's still not enough out of his role, but purely looking at shots misses some context"

Hey, I'm just searching for that context! 9 shot attempts and 1 high danger chance carry more meaning when you see they're nearly a mirror image of Chris Wagner (8/1).
 

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Hey buddy, I'm sorry. I'm not sure who it is but someone around here has been beating the drums for Kaako for the longest time. I eventually kinda tuned it out but when I saw your post, I obviously misplaced all the previous ones on you.

I understand what you want, but I just don't get it. Do you think Drury would give us Kakko for Wood straight up? 2.4M for 2.5M? I would think since he's giving up the younger player and the cheaper salary he's be wanting a lot more than Wood back. Is getting Wood off the team so important that you take a player you are not sure would be a good fit for equal salary while also potentially handing out assets AND get ready to hand over a raise to Kaaapo this summer on top of what Rants is going to need.

My post was mostly tongue in cheek because Kakko is almost certainly out the door in NY. I don't actually believe they'd take Wood for him

I actually don't think there are many teams that would take Wood with the term he has. That's a dime in a dozen player.
 
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Wood ranks up with other Avalanche luminaries such as Zach Parise, NAK, Lawnchair Man (John Mitchell), Tyson Jost and something called a Wayne Van Dorp. Kivi ranks more with the Mark Rycroft, Chris Durno, Cody McLeod and Brad Larsen's.

I thought I was losing my mind forgetting this guy on the Avs, with your early 90's Nordiques reference. :laugh:
 
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"That's still not enough out of his role, but purely looking at shots misses some context"

Hey, I'm just searching for that context! 9 shot attempts and 1 high danger chance carry more meaning when you see they're nearly a mirror image of Chris Wagner (8/1).
You can take it as you want. Listing just his shots misses context. I listed his other shot contributions and still said it wasn’t enough. He needs to be better.

What we still miss are shot assists, which he’s top 5 on the team over the last 10 games. He also had games where high dangers chances were 3-6 (depending on source) to 0 when he was on the ice. Including last night (nobody would guess by the chatter or players over 10 minutes 5v5 he lead in xGF%). He’s was also spectacular vs Detroit.

He’s not playing well enough, but people need to look beyond shots on net that he produces. He’s not a sniper type and as a playmaker in a slump, these moments happen.
 

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This is what seperates PL from CMac.

PL made BOLD moves to improve, even if it involved big pieces. CMac makes moves to react to his poor roster decisions.

PL also nuked every asset we ever had. CMac has managed to keep a few players in the pipeline and get some value from prospects he kept. In the cap era those contracts are critical.

Also, I feel like we have short term memory here. In the last month he switched out BOTH goalies. How is that not a big swing? Short of trading MacK, Rants or Makar, it doesn't get much bigger.
 

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I know there's injury history so he'd fit right in but what about chytil@12% and Kakko for Colton and rangers own 2nd. We get a 3c and Kakko can go up to the top 6 next season


Or Kakko thrives the rest of the season and trade him during off-season for decent return, allowing us to resign Drouin
 

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You can take it as you want. Listing just his shots misses context. I listed his other shot contributions and still said it wasn’t enough. He needs to be better.

What we still miss are shot assists, which he’s top 5 on the team over the last 10 games. He also had games where high dangers chances were 3-6 (depending on source) to 0 when he was on the ice. Including last night (nobody would guess by the chatter or players over 10 minutes 5v5 he lead in xGF%). He’s was also spectacular vs Detroit.

He’s not playing well enough, but people need to look beyond shots on net that he produces. He’s not a sniper type and as a playmaker in a slump, these moments happen.

His shots were mentioned because they're so alarming and considerably different from his stats the first ~20 games.

You've said twice now that shots alone miss context, so what's the context? You provided his meager shot attempts and lone high-danger scoring chance, which do nothing but reinforce the point. He needs to be better? Bold take.
 

henchman21

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His shots were mentioned because they're so alarming and considerably different from his stats the first ~20 games.

You've said twice now that shots alone miss context, so what's the context? You provided his meager shot attempts and lone high-danger scoring chance, which do nothing but reinforce the point. He needs to be better? Bold take.
Context is there are still good games without shots. Games like last night, he wasn’t terrible despite a terrible looking standard stat line. People key in on the shots only and it misses other things he brings. Shot assists, passes to the slot, defensive play, etc.

Again of the top guys last night, he had the best xGF% last night. Better than Makar, MacK, Rants, etc. He was good against Utah and spectacular vs Detroit. It hasn’t been enough or consistent, but people make it sounds like last night was terrible and the last 10 games were all bad (they’ve been mostly bad)… which is just not the case.
 
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