Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[Ararana]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859071249206423912

Keep at it, Biz

If by some miracle this ever happens, Biz might accidentally kill himself in his coke riddled celebration. Dude has been pushing for this for years.

 

[AvsFan4]

LeBrun is the only insider who kind of has a scoop on the Avs. So that’s…. not very encouraging to see lol.

 

[dahrougem2]

“There are two teams that immediately jump to mind as potential fits: the Colorado Avalanche and Carolina Hurricanes.

The Avalanche were 31st in the NHL in goals against heading into Tuesday’s action. That’s not all on the goaltending, but goaltending sure as heck is a big part of it. There’s no question in my mind the Avs could use an upgrade in goal.

But that opinion is not shared where it matters most: inside the Avs’ front office. League sources suggest the team believes its goaltending will steady itself and is OK sticking with what it has.

And when it comes to starter Alexandar Georgiev, who is in his last year of a $3.4 million contract, you can understand why there is still belief internally. He went toe-to-toe with Connor Hellebuyck and Jake Oettinger last spring in the playoffs and didn’t get outplayed by either. Sure, the Avs ultimately lost to the Stars in the second round, but having covered that series, I sure didn’t think it was because of goaltending.

The other reason I think the Avs don’t currently plan to trade for a goalie (always subject to change between now and March 7) is that they don’t look at the market and see a true difference-maker available — or at least someone who is a clear upgrade on Georgiev. And when it comes to Gibson, they’d also have to worry about the remaining term on the contract, given their always-complicated salary cap situation.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5933836/2024/11/20/john-gibson-ducks-trade-market/?source=emp_shared_article

Lebrun on the Avs and a Gibson trade/Goaltending trade

Lol f***. This guy knows the Avs better than anyone and if he says the Avs are confident in Georgiev, then barring injury he will be the guy come playoffs

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Lol f***. This guy knows the Avs better than anyone and if he says the Avs are confident in Georgiev, then barring injury he will be the guy come playoffs

Looks like the goal is to get Landy in, maybe pickup another D and just steamroll teams with our below average goaltending keeping us afloat.

The problem is we run into teams just as good with far superior goaltending in Dallas, Winnipeg, etc.

 

[Gumballhead]

If the Avs wanted to go real crazy... Trade Mikko for Shesterkin, then trade for Crosby @50%. Assuming Landy is indeed still coming back you would have something like:


Drouin - Mack - Nuke
Lehky - Crosby - Landy
Colton - Mitts - Kovalenko
LOC - Ivan - Kelly

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
???? - Malinski

Shesterkin
Annunen

I miss the big fat swollen snake bitten balls of PL slapping on the table and making seismic trades.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I miss the big fat swollen snake bitten balls of PL slapping on the table and making seismic trades.

Easier without a salary cap, of course.

Trade deadlines used to be wild pre-cap era.

 

[Vaslof]

I'm glad the front office is being wise about it. No reason to panic trade a shaky goalie for another shaky goalie. Only the goalies at the very top are a reliable investment.

 

[Avsfan1921]

I'm glad the front office is being wise about it. No reason to panic trade a shaky goalie for another shaky goalie. Only the goalies at the very top are a reliable investment.

Yeah, I’m as sick of Georgiev as anyone but goaltending is likely always going to be a question mark no matter who replaces him. Goaltending is a crapshoot in todays NHL.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

The problem with fitting Landy in is they have to dump a good player to do so, and he might be a shell of his former self. It’s a very tricky situation.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Even if you really did believe in Georgiev for whatever reason, you clearly don’t believe in Annunen. How could you be out of the goalie market?

Go get Blackwood. He’s cheap. Annunen probably even holds a little value to San Jose. Send them Annunen and whatever else is needed to get him.

 

[Alienblood]

I know people scoff and figure that it's a huge pipe dream but if the pengooins start selling off Malkin and Letang and more, I'm not convinced that #87 is really going to want stay there and ride-off into the sunset for the next 2.5 seasons while playing with a bunch of Tyler Arnason wannabees.

IF he was to be traded here (and that's a big giant IF) then my expectations are that it would be for this year and next year and then he'd be shipped back to PIT for the last year of his deal. (Isn't that pretty much our window anyways?)


Nah...I'd prefer the Avs go full gangster and give vgk a taste of their own medicine. Ask Gabe if his 'setback' is going to have him out until approximately April 17th at 10pm EST. After all, what's a few more months??? Then you put him on LTIR for the season and acquire Crosby with minimal or no retention. Rants is able to stay on the team for this playoff run and if all goes well he goes to UFA with 2 Cups on his resume. It sucks to lose him for nothing but at the same time - 2 Cups.

I don't look at it as losing him for nothing, you gain almost 10 million in cap space.

The problem with fitting Landy in is they have to dump a good player to do so, and he might be a shell of his former self. It’s a very tricky situation.

Keep him out until the playoffs

 

[BobRossColton]

Eklund has a rumor of blackwood to pens...

 

[Avs44]

Keep him out until the playoffs

Introducing Landeskog to the intensity of playoff hockey after not playing a single game in three years could be a disaster. Look at how, every season, some guys are rusty to start the year. That's after just a few months off. Imagine how Landy is going to look after 36 months off.

If he comes back, I think he needs regular season hockey.

 

[Bender]

“There are two teams that immediately jump to mind as potential fits: the Colorado Avalanche and Carolina Hurricanes.

The Avalanche were 31st in the NHL in goals against heading into Tuesday’s action. That’s not all on the goaltending, but goaltending sure as heck is a big part of it. There’s no question in my mind the Avs could use an upgrade in goal.

But that opinion is not shared where it matters most: inside the Avs’ front office. League sources suggest the team believes its goaltending will steady itself and is OK sticking with what it has.

And when it comes to starter Alexandar Georgiev, who is in his last year of a $3.4 million contract, you can understand why there is still belief internally. He went toe-to-toe with Connor Hellebuyck and Jake Oettinger last spring in the playoffs and didn’t get outplayed by either. Sure, the Avs ultimately lost to the Stars in the second round, but having covered that series, I sure didn’t think it was because of goaltending.

The other reason I think the Avs don’t currently plan to trade for a goalie (always subject to change between now and March 7) is that they don’t look at the market and see a true difference-maker available — or at least someone who is a clear upgrade on Georgiev. And when it comes to Gibson, they’d also have to worry about the remaining term on the contract, given their always-complicated salary cap situation.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5933836/2024/11/20/john-gibson-ducks-trade-market/?source=emp_shared_article

Lebrun on the Avs and a Gibson trade/Goaltending trade

I really believe that this is the external message that they are sending out but internally, there is certainly concern. (the lack of a Georgiev extension basically suggests that they aren't sold on Georgiev at least long-term)

While Georgiev may not have been outplayed by either goalie in the playoffs - he certainly wasn't a difference maker. Why would you always seem to need to win despite your goaltending instead of it being one of the strengths of the team ?

Personally, I would do the opposite of what is being suggested here... I would trade for a different goalie early to see what you got with the new guy + Annunen tandem and if it sucks donkey balls then maybe you trade Annunen for a better goalie at the TDL, cost be damned.

They have to get this figured out - we're not going to have 10 more opportunities at putting forth the best team possible for the playoffs... two maybe three chances and then we'll probably be too old unless we get really, really lucky in the draft.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

The Avs faith that the goalies will just magically fix themselves, despite this being the second season where goaltending is extremely questionable is so, so concerning. Totally understand them not making a move if they don't think there's an actual upgrade out there, but if they think our goalies will just stop giving up really soft goals....there's more proof to say that'll continue than not

 

[BobRossColton]

The goalie I'm still a bit curious about is Akira Schmid, he had a decent small stint with the devils.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I wasn't sure where to post this, but I'm really glad the Avs waited for Mitts to become available instead of trading for Lindholm and extending him.

 

[Alienblood]

I really believe that this is the external message that they are sending out but internally, there is certainly concern. (the lack of a Georgiev extension basically suggests that they aren't sold on Georgiev at least long-term)

While Georgiev may not have been outplayed by either goalie in the playoffs - he certainly wasn't a difference maker. Why would you always seem to need to win despite your goaltending instead of it being one of the strengths of the team ?

Personally, I would do the opposite of what is being suggested here... I would trade for a different goalie early to see what you got with the new guy + Annunen tandem and if it sucks donkey balls then maybe you trade Annunen for a better goalie at the TDL, cost be damned.

They have to get this figured out - we're not going to have 10 more opportunities at putting forth the best team possible for the playoffs... two maybe three chances and then we'll probably be too old unless we get really, really lucky in the draft.

The organization seems.satisfied with the 1 Cup.

If another one happens then bonus

 

[dahrougem2]

I think we all should have seen this line of thinking coming - myself included - and not get hopes up for a goaltender.

This is the same org that won with Darcy Kuemper playing like a bag of ass in the playoffs (though he did make some big saves in the SCF) and the Avs thoroughly dominating rosters all around.

They're probably thinking they can hold Landeskog out until the playoffs, add slightly at the TDL to the bottom six and 3rd pair and run with

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Mittelstadt - Rantanen
Landeskog - Colton - TDL ADD
Wood/Kovalenko - Kelly - O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
TDL ADD - Malinski

Georgiev

It's a damn good roster, BUT we don't know how Landeskog looks, we don't know the health situation, and we don't know who the adds are going to be or even could be based on the cap situation. We also don't know if Nichushkin even lasts until then.

But we do know the Avs organization believes they can overwhelm teams with their "better" roster over the course of a playoff series even if this roster has WAY more question marks than the 2022 team.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Looks like the goal is to get Landy in, maybe pickup another D and just steamroll teams with our below average goaltending keeping us afloat.

The problem is we run into teams just as good with far superior goaltending in Dallas, Winnipeg, etc.

To be fair we shit on Helly last playoffs... But also this team isn't as good as last years so.

 

[Bender]

For me, it's more about what does the team look like playing in front of him rather than just straight-up goaltending. In a way, it's kind of like when a team stops playing as hard as they could because they can't stand the coach (case in point : Boston).

So far this season :

Georgiev - 10 starts - 5 wins- 7 of those 10 games the opposing team has scored first. Three times, we were able to come back and still win the game.

Annunen - 8 starts - 6 wins - 6 of those 8 games, the Avs scored the first goal of the game.

I'm not trying to suggest that Annunen is the more talented goaltender but at the same time there is no one on HFboards that can 100% accurately evaluate and decide what the future holds for upcoming goaltenders. If so, they'd be working for a team instead of wasting their time here and here's why :

Adin Hill - 28 years old - cleared waivers in 2019
Anthony Stolarz - 30 years old - cleared waivers in 2018
Sam Montembeault - 28 years old - pick up on waivers in 2021
Joey D'Accord - 28 years old - cleared waivers in 2022

All of these players were at point considered 'garbage and waiver fodder' at one point in their careers and yet here we are and they are starters in the NHL. In a world where Henrik Lundqvist and Pekka Rinne are 7th and 8th round picks - there is just way too much uncertainty with that position to know for sure one way or another. Sometimes it's just a matter of a guy fitting in with an organization better than another one and everything just clicks. Sometimes, it's about a guy just not fitting in and that's where I believe we are with George and I think the entire team knows it. (maybe except for Bednar apparently)

 

[Bender]

I think we all should have seen this line of thinking coming - myself included - and not get hopes up for a goaltender.

This is the same org that won with Darcy Kuemper playing like a bag of ass in the playoffs (though he did make some big saves in the SCF) and the Avs thoroughly dominating rosters all around.

They're probably thinking they can hold Landeskog out until the playoffs, add slightly at the TDL to the bottom six and 3rd pair and run with

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Mittelstadt - Rantanen
Landeskog - Colton - TDL ADD
Wood/Kovalenko - Kelly - O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
TDL ADD - Malinski

Georgiev

It's a damn good roster, BUT we don't know how Landeskog looks, we don't know the health situation, and we don't know who the adds are going to be or even could be based on the cap situation. We also don't know if Nichushkin even lasts until then.

But we do know the Avs organization believes they can overwhelm teams with their "better" roster over the course of a playoff series even if this roster has WAY more question marks than the 2022 team.

Take LeBrun's comments with a grain of salt. The Avs are NEVER going to tell a national reporter (or anyone else for that matter) that they are unhappy with ANYONE on their current roster and are looking to make to make a change or that they are actively doing much of anything. What we got from LeBrun was the old 'everything is fine, we're all good' but I don't believe that this is what the true internal dialogue that's going on with the Avs front office right now.

They want George to improve his numbers and level off so that when they do trade him, it won't be as a straight-up camp dump and 'hey maybe, you're going to want to re-sign this guy'.

It's pretty clear that while Georgiev can be a solid goaltender when he is on his game, he can also be atrocious when not and that seems to happen more frequently than not and it takes him a while to get out of his slumps - that's not something a contender can afford to roll the dice on - and they know that.

Personally, i'll be pretty surprised if he's the starter for the playoffs.