Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[Frenchy]

Yeah well, that's what the Flyers are trying to argue here. But it's a very difficult scenario overall, not just this specific case. The team obviously can't force a player to play if he feels he's injured. But to what extent does this work? Can a player just fake a phantom injury to the end of the world and sit at home collecting a pay cheque?

I guess there are some rules about second opinions and whatnot on the CBA for cases like this.

In the 70's players were scare to go play in Philadelphia because of the broad street bullies.
It was called the broad street bullies flu. I guess Johansen have another form of that flu... the 2024 version

 

[LOFIN]

In the 70's players were scare to go play in Philadelphia because of the broad street bullies.
It was called the broad street bullies flu. I guess Johansen have another form of that flu... the 2024 version

I think RyJo would've been fine with playing for the Flyers. He wasn't given that option.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Kinda weird that Johansen played 63 games with the Avs last season until the TDL and after being traded to the Flyers... all of sudden he's dead

To be fair, he appeared to be dead during those 63 games too

 

[henchman21]

Then it's not an injury problem

Ehhh... Nuke played through a broken foot and Landy played on a bum knee that has kept him out since. Being able to play through that with the help of the needle doesn't mean a player doesn't have an injury. The difference here seems pretty clear via that statement. RyJo feels that he needs hip surgery to play and he's not willing to play through it via the needle and limping through to play in the AHL. Philly believes that since he could play through it, that he's not injured enough to justify the protections and is simply refusing to report. Both sides will dig in and scream loudly, but there is very little chance that Philly gets out of this without nothing. In fact, the CBA is very strongly on the side of RyJo provided the doctor signing off on the surgery side is on the second opinion list.

 

[henchman21]

I guess there are some rules about second opinions and whatnot on the CBA for cases like this. The player can seek a second opinion even if club doctors see him fit for service.

Yup... there is a whole second opinion section, and if those doctors don't agree, it goes to a third opinion. There is a whole section of the CBA on fitness to play too where certain things and timing has to be met, but unless Overhardt is a complete moron... those weren't missed.

 

[Muffin]

Apparently they're trying to terminate his contract because there's a picture of him lifting his bride with no problem at his wedding?

 

[henchman21]

Apparently they're trying to terminate his contract because there's a picture of him lifting his bride with no problem at his wedding?

If you can deadlift your wife, you can shoot a puck.

It is completely on brand for Philly to do this right after his wedding though.

 

[Muffin]

If you can deadlift your wife, you can shoot a puck.

It is completely on brand for Philly to do this right after his wedding though.

Turned out to be an expensive wedding, an 8 million dollar wedding.

 

[henchman21]

Turned out to be an expensive wedding, an 8 million dollar wedding.

Jokes!

Dude rented out Bridge Park and basically two hotels near there. His actual ceremony and party had to be deep into the 6 figures.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Yup... there is a whole second opinion section, and if those doctors don't agree, it goes to a third opinion. There is a whole section of the CBA on fitness to play too where certain things and timing has to be met, but unless Overhardt is a complete moron... those weren't missed.

If the guy is having a significant surgery how can the Flyers go into negotiation with a straight face saying the guy didn't need it.

The only thing Ryjo did wrong was masquerade as a 2C. And it's really Cmacs fault for thinking Ryjo was a good replacement for JTC.

 

[henchman21]

If the guy is having a significant surgery how can the Flyers go into negotiation with a straight face saying the guy didn't need it.

The only thing Ryjo did wrong was masquerade as a 2C. And it's really Cmacs fault for thinking Ryjo was a good replacement for JTC.

They are probably saying their doctors don't think it is necessary.

 

[Chiarelli]

What benefit is it to Philly if he is or isn't injured/can or can not report to the AHL?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

future considerations is such a massive get

Serious question, if the Stars, Oilers, Wild or Blues offered future considerations for Nuke would you do it?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

This man just hates the Oilers.

And his own mom. Yikes.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1826021337615446425

Serious question, if the Stars, Oilers, Wild or Blues offered future considerations for Nuke would you do it?

Wild or Blues? Yes. They aren't really a realistic threat. Stars or Oil, probably not. He stays clean, and they would both benefit from having him.

Only the Wild can probably take on that contract without the Avs retaining, or finding another team to help them retain.

 

[John Mandalorian]

In the 70's players were scare to go play in Philadelphia because of the broad street bullies.
It was called the broad street bullies flu. I guess Johansen have another form of that flu... the 2024 version

More like Lehighphobia.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1826021337615446425

Wild or Blues? Yes. They aren't really a realistic threat. Stars or Oil, probably not. He stays clean, and they would both benefit from having him.

Only the Wild can probably take on that contract without the Avs retaining, or finding another team to help them retain.

Yeah, but I kind see that turning him open on the league for future considerations would still be allowing that team to trade him for a handsome sum to a competitor if he proves himself clean for a year or so.

I feel like it is in our best interest to either have him make it work or fail quickly but to do so here. I wanted him bought out, and quite frankly still do, but it's not my money, so I certainly get it. Kroenke isn't known for needlessly throwing money around. However, I don't think we'd get a second line winger for him and if we aren't at least getting that, than I just as soon keep him around and hope he's either straight or that if he does fail, it's before the trade deadline.

 

[henchman21]

And his own mom. Yikes.

Deep cut here

 

[henchman21]

The biggest issue with Nuke is he’s a time bomb who can tank two seasons with one test. His next suspension is a year… and while his reinstatement isn’t guaranteed… it also isn’t nonexistent. It tanks the remaining of what is left in whatever season it happens in… and the following.

Combine that with the salary and nobody wants to touch that on a team with aspirations (if he had one year left or was say a million, all contending teams would line up). Teams rebuilding or have a young core don’t want him near their core.

 

[AvsFan4]

Wonder if we’ll get any surprise PTO’s. Someone who can be worth one who’s surprisingly still putting up adequate metrics at an older age (also given the way he plays) is Cal Clutterbuck.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Wonder if we’ll get any surprise PTO’s. Someone who can be worth one who’s surprisingly still putting up adequate metrics at an older age (also given the way he plays) is Cal Clutterbuck.

Is he still doing well? I lost track of him after really wanting us to get him two seasons ago at the deadline when he was up for a new contract but Lou wasn't selling I don't think and re-signed him anyways.

 

[dahrougem2]

Hasn't Tanner Pearson had like a thousand wrist surgeries?

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Damn, we are lucky we got rid of RyJo. What a nightmare it would have been.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I feel like there should be some way for Philly to call shenanigans on the "injury". We all know he was perfectly fine the whole time he was here, the only problem was that he wanted to be anywhere other than an ice hockey rink. He's checked out on the game, that's the injury. It'll be interesting to watch this unfold, but man like everyone else I'm so glad this is happening elsewhere and I hope like hell there is no way for blowback on the Avs.

 

[Ceremony]

Wonder if we’ll get any surprise PTO’s. Someone who can be worth one who’s surprisingly still putting up adequate metrics at an older age (also given the way he plays) is Cal Clutterbuck.

We can sign Clutterbuck and sacrifice him so Nuke can reingratiate himself with the team.