Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[TruePowerSlave]

At what point does cmac pull the plug on the two plugs in net?

I expect he won't. The best time to fix the issue was during the offseason and the man did nothing about it despite the problem being blatantly obvious.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

There’s like 10-12 good goaltenders in this league. Goaltending is the lowest it’s been in my entire life.

Everybody here wants us to get a goalie, but most don’t like any of the suggestions. None of the elite guys are available. It’s only scraps, reclamation projects or guys past their prime.

Something has to give. We don’t need an elite guy, we need an average starting goaltender. Period. Some posters need to come around to the realization that the best guys available are average starting goaltenders at best. Accept it.

 

[Pokecheque]

At what point does cmac pull the plug on the two plugs in net?

Really feels like Bednar forced his hand tonight.

There’s like 10-12 good goaltenders in this league. Goaltending is the lowest it’s been in my entire life.

Everybody here wants us to get a goalie, but most don’t like any of the suggestions. None of the elite guys are available. It’s only scraps, reclamation projects or guys past their prime.

Something has to give. We don’t need an elite guy, we need an average starting goaltender. Period. Some posters need to come around to the realization that the best guys available are average starting goaltenders at best. Accept it.

I will readily embrace average goaltending. It’d be like going to an Arvada strip club and feelin’ like I’m at the Spearmint Rhino. But I don’t care, I’ve got my stack of $1s!!!

 

[nammerus]

There’s like 10-12 good goaltenders in this league. Goaltending is the lowest it’s been in my entire life.

Everybody here wants us to get a goalie, but most don’t like any of the suggestions. None of the elite guys are available. It’s only scraps, reclamation projects or guys past their prime.

Something has to give. We don’t need an elite guy, we need an average starting goaltender. Period. Some posters need to come around to the realization that the best guys available are average starting goaltenders at best. Accept it.

Average would be a f***ing god send.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Average would be a f***ing god send.

No kidding. Plain average would be a huge upgrade.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Eh, it's getting easier and easier to get talked into Gibson at this point. .910 career, .915 through 4 games so far this year. All played on an atrocious teams with atrocious defenses. If the Avs had gotten .910 goaltening this season they'd be a top-2, top-3 team. f*** it, pull the trigger

The thing with Gibby is that he's spent more "garbage time" in that net than any goalie in the league over the last few years. So those numbers get dragged down by completely meaningless add on goals. It's been a common script where he plays really well until the game is obviously a lost cause, and then let's in a weak one or two when already down 3-4 goals. I don't know how much that really affects his ability to provide steady goaltending to a good team. He's always been pretty darn good whenever he had a decently competitive product in front of him and I really don't think the best goalie in the world could have propped up this Ducks team over the last few years. It should not be understated how horrendous they've been defensively, stacking up with some of the worst teams all time. I don't know if there's a metric on earth that could properly compare Gibson in his situation to a goalie like Georgiev on a good team.

I'm not one of these fans who has any delusions of my opinion having any real world impact on his trade value. I just genuinely think he's always been a .915ish goalie who's statistical dip these past few years, is very easily explained by his situation. If you were to take a stat like GSAx but only look at instances where there's actually game on the line (eliminating any data from where his team was already down by say 3 goals) I firmly believe Gibson's numbers will shoot up. I don't know how much it should concern the Avs that he allows occasional bad goals when already down 4-0 and being outshot 40-20, you guys aren't going to be putting him in that situation nearly every night like he's been in for several years.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Eh, it's getting easier and easier to get talked into Gibson at this point. .910 career, .915 through 4 games so far this year. All played on an atrocious teams with atrocious defenses. If the Avs had gotten .910 goaltening this season they'd be a top-2, top-3 team. f*** it, pull the trigger

Gibson is so overpaid for his stat line that the retention required to move him negates the benefit of trading him if youre Anaheim. Otherwise he would have been traded by now. And no GMs have been willing to take the leap of where theyd give something that Anaheim finds agreeable.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Gibson is so overpaid for his stat line that the retention required to move him negates the benefit of trading him if youre Anaheim. Otherwise he would have been traded by now. And no GMs have been willing to take the leap of where theyd give something that Anaheim finds agreeable.

I’m not so sure that’s the case.

Let’s think of the alternatives. If they keep him, they’re paying a 6M paycheque to a backup. If no one wants him at that price tag, then Anaheim is on the hook for his cost.

If they retain half, they’re prob saving 2M dollars for 2 years (assuming they get a 1M back up). That gives them an extra 2M to insert into their lineup.

So option A: you have 6M dollar back up who plays 30ish games

Or option B: you have 1M back up who plays 30 games, an asset or 2 from the trade, and an extra 2M in spending money for your roster.

Again, this all under the assumption that no one is trading for him at full cost.

 

[Pokecheque]

 

[Gumballhead]

We definitely could use Kaapo right now - I haven't given up on Annunen as a backup, but I have given up on him for the near future. He definitely needs at least a reset, and tons of minutes in the AHL to try to get him straight. If we can get one of these decent veteran guys for now, we at least can have a chance when the backup plays. And this isn't even addressing the real goaltending problem overall, ugh.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I’m not so sure that’s the case.

Let’s think of the alternatives. If they keep him, they’re paying a 6M paycheque to a backup. If no one wants him at that price tag, then Anaheim is on the hook for his cost.

If they retain half, they’re prob saving 2M dollars for 2 years (assuming they get a 1M back up). That gives them an extra 2M to insert into their lineup.

So option A: you have 6M dollar back up who plays 30ish games

Or option B: you have 1M back up who plays 30 games, an asset or 2 from the trade, and an extra 2M in spending money for your roster.

Again, this all under the assumption that no one is trading for him at full cost.

If they valued saving 2 million by having an expensive backup playing for another team, he’d be gone by now.

 

[LOFIN]

Good thing our coach gave a chance for Kähkönen, and now is stuck with Annunen. You made your bed Beds.

 

[EdAVSfan]

If they valued saving 2 million by having an expensive backup playing for another team, he’d be gone by now.

You’re making the assumption that teams are going after Gibson.
Assuming 35-50% retention, how many teams want a 3-4M Gibson as a starter? How many of them want a 3-4M back up for 2 additional years?

Maybe teams are trying to trade back a crappy contract.

At this point, we’re simply in the dark on what’s happening.
This is also the first season where Dostal is establishing himself as the official starter. Anaheim hasn’t really been in this position until now. Gibson was always previously, the starter.

I may be completely off. We’ll have to wait and see

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Gibson is so overpaid for his stat line that the retention required to move him negates the benefit of trading him if youre Anaheim. Otherwise he would have been traded by now. And no GMs have been willing to take the leap of where theyd give something that Anaheim finds agreeable.

They are just now in a position where they can be pretty certain they have another goalie to take over. Verbeek has addressed this publicly and I think he had a valid point. It's very hard to find stable goaltending in this league, no disrespect but you guys are one of several good teams who have had trouble stabilizing that position. Gibson for whatever you think of his numbers is one of the few proven workhorses in the league. PV said didn't want to trade Gibson for the sake of trading him, and then have the Ducks be stuck in that list of teams needing a goalie when hoping to turn a corner in the next couple years. So that meant drawing a line in the sand in terms of value and not trading him unless it brought back something the Ducks really value for their build.

Now that Dostal is showing every sign of being ready to take over the lion's share, the Ducks can probably do right by Gibson by moving him for a deal that makes sense. But that's not going to mean eating $10M just to get some middling asset, there's still going to need to be some give and take if the acquiring team needs a bunch of financial help to make it happen.

 

[Bender]

So I'll just leave this here but personally, I just believe that the stuff that's said to appease the media is completely different than how some actually feel and it shows on the ice :

CMac can't trade Nuke fast enough.

 

[Avs91]

So I'll just leave this here but personally, I just believe that the stuff that's said to appease the media is completely different than how some actually feel and it shows on the ice :

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CMac can't trade Nuke fast enough.

The November 13th game is also when Toews collided with his knee

 

[shadow1]

How the f*** does Chris Kreider not have a single assist and we're 20% through the year?

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[Bender]

The November 13th game is also when Toews collided with his knee

I thought about that too but since that time - even last night, he can still skate and go full tilt so I don't think that's the issue.

 

[Pokecheque]

So I'll just leave this here but personally, I just believe that the stuff that's said to appease the media is completely different than how some actually feel and it shows on the ice :

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CMac can't trade Nuke fast enough.

Yep, this is even more concerning than the goaltending.

 

[The Abusement Park]

How the f*** does Chris Kreider not have a single assist and we're 20% through the year?

You don’t get assists for barreling into the goalie.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

You don’t get assists for barreling into the goalie.

Nazem Kadri enters the chat.

 

[The Abusement Park]

So I'll just leave this here but personally, I just believe that the stuff that's said to appease the media is completely different than how some actually feel and it shows on the ice :

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CMac can't trade Nuke fast enough.

Yeah… can’t say I’m remotely surprised bringing Nuke back to the locker room well… Nuked it. f*** that guy. That’s how everyone who was on the team last year feels and it shows. I can’t blame them.

 

[John Mandalorian]

They are just now in a position where they can be pretty certain they have another goalie to take over. Verbeek has addressed this publicly and I think he had a valid point. It's very hard to find stable goaltending in this league, no disrespect but you guys are one of several good teams who have had trouble stabilizing that position. Gibson for whatever you think of his numbers is one of the few proven workhorses in the league. PV said didn't want to trade Gibson for the sake of trading him, and then have the Ducks be stuck in that list of teams needing a goalie when hoping to turn a corner in the next couple years. So that meant drawing a line in the sand in terms of value and not trading him unless it brought back something the Ducks really value for their build.

Now that Dostal is showing every sign of being ready to take over the lion's share, the Ducks can probably do right by Gibson by moving him for a deal that makes sense. But that's not going to mean eating $10M just to get some middling asset, there's still going to need to be some give and take if the acquiring team needs a bunch of financial help to make it happen.

They needed an ineffective 6.4 million dollar goalie while tanking/rebuilding?! Come on now.

 

[Chiarelli]

Gibson still moves well in the net and tracks the puck well. The contract is my biggest concern but that can be retained. Injury will be a risk with anyone and I’d imagine he’d be more willing to play through bumps and bruises if the games actually meant something.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

They needed an ineffective 6.4 million dollar goalie while tanking/rebuilding?! Come on now.

Look how bad they were with the goalies they've had. How futile of a product do you want to roll out?

Also just a bird in hand situation. Starters are too few and far between, can't be sure when you'll actually get your hands on a decent one again. Some teams have been trying for years.

They've been right at the cap floor despite paying him that much anyway. There was certainly never motivation to move him just because of his contract.