Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[dahrougem2]

We already know one guy who's available (Gibson). Just depends on how/if they can make the money work. Won't be easy because Verbeek is the most stubborn GM in the league and he works for the cheapest owner in the league.

As others have said, more goalies will become available as the season wears on. Teams are going to begin dropping out soon. IMO getting another career backup ain't gonna cut it. They've got to get a starter, and any of them who are available will have red flags.

The ultimate roll-of-the-dice-and-hold-your-breath guy would be Merzlikins, but even I'm not crazy enough to think that's anything more than a massive, massive gamble.

I would offer the Ducks

Georgiev
Wood
Kylington

And then their pick of a prospect not named Ritchie plus a draft pick based on that prospect.

They can jettison Georgiev and Kylington next Summer as UFAs and are then saving almost 4M from Gibson to Wood.

I'd happily offer up Gulyayev if it meant acquiring Gibson.

 

[sethro109]

I would offer the Ducks

Georgiev
Wood
Kylington

And then their pick of a prospect not named Ritchie plus a draft pick based on that prospect.

They can jettison Georgiev and Kylington next Summer as UFAs and are then saving almost 4M from Gibson to Wood.

I'd happily offer up Gulyayev if it meant acquiring Gibson.

In this scenario, couldn't Wood just add Anaheim to the list of places he doesn't want to go?

 

[dahrougem2]

In this scenario, couldn't Wood just add Anaheim to the list of places he doesn't want to go?

It's a 6 team list and he has to submit it each July if I'm not mistaken.

My guess is he put every Canadian team minus Toronto on there.

 

[sethro109]

It's a 6 team list and he has to submit it each July if I'm not mistaken.

My guess is he put every Canadian team minus Toronto on there.

Oh, okay. I thought they had to ask him for the list. I didn't know he had to submit one by July.

 

[Balthazar]

I would offer the Ducks

Georgiev
Wood
Kylington

And then their pick of a prospect not named Ritchie plus a draft pick based on that prospect.

They can jettison Georgiev and Kylington next Summer as UFAs and are then saving almost 4M from Gibson to Wood.

I'd happily offer up Gulyayev if it meant acquiring Gibson.

With or without rentention?

What the Avs need is sending Georgiev back and the Ducks to retain 50% on Gibson.

As Pierce pointed out earlier, the cost to retain alone is more than a 1st pick. Then add more for the Georgiev cap dump.

That's a HUGE price to pay for a guy that we don't even know for a fact if he's going to be better than Georgiev...and if he isn't we're stuck with him for 2 more years with virtually no asset to send him somewhere else or to acquire another starter.

It's certainly not an easy decision.

 

[dahrougem2]

With or without rentention?

What the Avs need is sending Georgiev back and the Ducks to retain 50% on Gibson.

As Pierce pointed out earlier, the cost to retain alone is more than a 1st pick. Then add more for the Georgiev cap dump.

That's a HUGE price to pay for a guy that we don't even know for a fact if he's going to do better than Georgiev...and if he isn't we're stuck with him for 2 more years with no asset to send him somewhere or to acquire another starter.

It's certainly not an easy decision.

You are both overvaluing goaltenders and what they return via trade, especially goaltenders with Gibson's cap hit.

I don't know that you'd need the Ducks to retain if you are able to move out the three mentioned players because it's basically matching salaries.

 

[Balthazar]

You are both overvaluing goaltenders and what they return via trade, especially goaltenders with Gibson's cap hit.

No we aren't. We're talking strictly money, it has nothing to do with the value of a goaltender.

Each million of retention has a cost. The cost to retain ~6M is a first round pick. Ducks would have to retain more than 6M.

 

[Pokecheque]

I don't think that's the going price for 50% retention. It probably should be, but it isn't. Truth be told teams are way too lenient when it comes to retention, they should charge way more than they do, especially if they're a third party to it.

My concern with the Ducks is that I don't think they want to retain. At all. But they likely also want fair market value for Gibson. And that's why I think they've let this drag on as long as they have, they want the best of both worlds, which I don't think is realistic, but I don't think the Ducks owner is necessarily all that realistic.

 

[Balthazar]

I don't think that's the going price for 50% retention. It probably should be, but it isn't. Truth be told teams are way too lenient when it comes to retention, they should charge way more than they do, especially if they're a third party to it.

My concern with the Ducks is that I don't think they want to retain. At all. But they likely also want fair market value for Gibson. And that's why I think they've let this drag on as long as they have, they want the best of both worlds, which I don't think is realistic, but I don't think the Ducks owner is necessarily all that realistic.

At full cap hit Gibson has 0 value.

 

[The Merchant]

Their faith in Georgiev is now fully restored. He’s starting again tonight and Kahkonen is on waivers

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856050436261793844

lmao all it took was literally one good game in which he lost. Insane

 

[Pokecheque]

At full cap hit Gibson has 0 value.

Please tell that to the Ducks. I think if they were willing to retain he would've been long gone. I don't think the Ducks would be as bad as they are if they also weren't very poorly run.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Probably cap stuff for activating Nuke.

Now please trade George for Gibson @50%

 

[Richard88]

No we aren't. We're talking strictly money, it has nothing to do with the value of a goaltender.

Each million of retention has a cost. The cost to retain ~6M is a first round pick. Ducks would have to retain more than 6M.

Not all retentions warrant a 1st. For example Nashville retained $8m of Johansen's deal for nothing in return. Retention costing a lot is only required when there's positive value, and it is questionable if Gibson at $6.4m has positive value.

 

[the_fan]

Probably cap stuff for activating Nuke.

Now please trade George for Gibson @50%

Gibson just returned, played one game and posted a 950

 

[dahrougem2]

No we aren't. We're talking strictly money, it has nothing to do with the value of a goaltender.

Each million of retention has a cost. The cost to retain ~6M is a first round pick. Ducks would have to retain more than 6M.

Not all retentions are equal.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Not all retentions are equal.

Eh, I agree with @Balthazar here.

The value of the player is irrelevant, we are talking about the value of straight cap space.

Since Gibson’s AAV is the exact same as his actual salary, it especially applies. At 50% for 3 seasons, we are talking about the value of $3.2m cap space per year x 3 seasons.

Unlike Georgiev who has a $3.4m cap hit but $2.9m in actual salary.

 

[CobraAcesS]

You are both overvaluing goaltenders and what they return via trade, especially goaltenders with Gibson's cap hit.

I don't know that you'd need the Ducks to retain if you are able to move out the three mentioned players because it's basically matching salaries.

I think you've got to get retention on Gibson to make it really a worthy gamble. I think at worst he's a guy that splits the net with Annunen next year (or another young goalie). If he turns back into a reliable starter or an elite starter we get afterburners for a couple seasons at a killer cap hit.

 

[Richard88]

No we aren't. We're talking strictly money, it has nothing to do with the value of a goaltender.

Each million of retention has a cost. The cost to retain ~6M is a first round pick. Ducks would have to retain more than 6M.

Nashville retained $4m X2 for free....

 

[Balthazar]

Nashville retained $4m X2 for free....

More like we made them save 8M in that case

Gibson doesn't have that kind of negative value

 

[EdAVSfan]

Eh, I agree with @Balthazar here.

The value of the player is irrelevant, we are talking about the value of straight cap space.

Since Gibson’s AAV is the exact same as his actual salary, it especially applies. At 50% for 3 seasons, we are talking about the value of $3.2m cap space per year x 3 seasons.

Unlike Georgiev who has a $3.4m cap hit but $2.9m in actual salary.

I think the answer is somewhere in between. RyJo cost Nashville a lot of money in retention and we paid nothing for it.

The reality of the cost is dependant on the ability of the ducks to get value for Gibson.
Right now, he’s costing them 12M for the next 2 seasons. If no one wants him at that cost, or a trade requires a long term cap going back the other way, it may be worthwhile for the ducks to shed that 6M savings, even if it doesn’t come with a really nice pick attached.

 

[John Mandalorian]

With or without rentention?

What the Avs need is sending Georgiev back and the Ducks to retain 50% on Gibson.

As Pierce pointed out earlier, the cost to retain alone is more than a 1st pick. Then add more for the Georgiev cap dump.

That's a HUGE price to pay for a guy that we don't even know for a fact if he's going to be better than Georgiev...and if he isn't we're stuck with him for 2 more years with virtually no asset to send him somewhere else or to acquire another starter.

It's certainly not an easy decision.

Yet if the Avs took Gibson full price, the Avs would deserve a first. He’s now an overpaid backup. Retention is what makes him somewhat appealing. Forward comps like Monahan are erroneous in that, if Monahan was healthy, he would have been in the lineup for Calgary. That’s not the case for Gibson in his current situation. This seems like a scenario for middle ground.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Not all retentions warrant a 1st. For example Nashville retained $8m of Johansen's deal for nothing in return. Retention costing a lot is only required when there's positive value, and it is questionable if Gibson at $6.4m has positive value.

Bingo. And also consider recent years and that he’s now a backup goalie.

 

[dahrougem2]

Eh, I agree with @Balthazar here.

The value of the player is irrelevant, we are talking about the value of straight cap space.

Since Gibson’s AAV is the exact same as his actual salary, it especially applies. At 50% for 3 seasons, we are talking about the value of $3.2m cap space per year x 3 seasons.

Unlike Georgiev who has a $3.4m cap hit but $2.9m in actual salary.

I think the value of the player absolutely matters when retention is in play.

 

[Balthazar]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856200046976356572

 

[Pokecheque]

Traded the right guy or traded the guy Buffalo GM asked for. If he asked for Girard instead of Byram for Mittelstadt, you don’t think CMac would do it? I think he’d do it in a second

No, I don’t think he would have. I think the organization likes Sammy a hell of a lot more than y’all think.

BTW since someone earlier was posting a bad report card on Sammy and summarily slagging him, here’s what happened tonight.