Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[dahrougem2]

Hindsight is 20/20. NOBODY here wanted to let Val go. Best player in the SCF, in his mid-20s, two way monster who honestly was the best player on the ice for either team whoever the Avs played when he was on his game.

Nobody knew what would happen to him then. If we did, we obviously let him walk.

 

[LOFIN]

Hindsight is 20/20. NOBODY here wanted to let Val go. Best player in the SCF, in his mid-20s, two way monster who honestly was the best player on the ice for either team whoever the Avs played when he was on his game.

Nobody knew what would happen to him then. If we did, we obviously let him walk.

Yeah. Also, Manson was extremely important and our 3rd best defenceman overall in those playoffs.

I didn't have an issue walking away from Kadri at the time because of the cap constraints.

 

[flyfysher]

They had enough cap space to sign everyone if EJ would just waive his NTC.

Yeah, I just didn’t think that was realistic.

 

[avalanche_country]

0% chance Nuke doesn’t mess up again.

 

[Vaslof]

Yeah, I just didn’t think that was realistic.

Apparently EJ had agreed to be traded, but then changed his mind.

 

[The Moops]

0% chance Nuke doesn’t mess up again.

Sure, but what are the odds he gets caught again?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Really? They signed him, not Kadri.

The decision was between Manson and Kadri. Not Nuke and Kadri.


They ultimately wanted to keep all 3 and had a plan to do so with moving EJ... But the big decision was between Manson and Kadri.

Sure, but what are the odds he gets caught again?

Sadly, pretty damn high given his track record

 

[Pokecheque]

Again, the issue was leaving themselves without a 2C in a title defense year. So, yeah, re-upping Nuke at the time was a no-brainer. Re-upping Manson, do it if you must, BUT if that was the decision then EJ needed to be gone, either make him drop his no-trade or buy him out. To come into 2022-23 with NO second line center to speak of was a decision that's obviously hobbled this team's efforts for a 2nd Stanley Cup with this core more than anything else.

 

[hockeyfish]

Letting Kadri walk at the time was an obvious decision. He was already in his 30s and that 21-22 season was such an outlier. Before that season he was more of a 40-50 point guy.

The failure has been going 3 years without a suitable replacement. Although in their defense, I'm not seeing anyone moved in that timespan that would have been a real replacement.

 

[Balthazar]

Not keeping Kadri at his age after a career year and 2 meh seasons with the Avs was the smart thing to do.

Failing to properly replace him wasn't.

 

[flyfysher]

Again, the issue was leaving themselves without a 2C in a title defense year. So, yeah, re-upping Nuke at the time was a no-brainer. Re-upping Manson, do it if you must, BUT if that was the decision then EJ needed to be gone, either make him drop his no-trade or buy him out. To come into 2022-23 with NO second line center to speak of was a decision that's obviously hobbled this team's efforts for a 2nd Stanley Cup with this core more than anything else.

Yeah, but no one saw the 2C position being so problematic for so long or that Kadri would hold up like he has. Buying out EJ would have been the way to go. Unfortunate but the NHL is a business.

Watching clips of Sid yesterday, damn. If only he was available.

 

[Balthazar]

0% chance Nuke doesn’t mess up again.

That lingering groin injury that can come back at any time is the icing on the cake. He's totally unreliable.

 

[Pokecheque]

Yeah, I just didn’t think that was realistic.

Trying to enter a title defense year with almost no cap room and retaining a $6 million dollar defenseman who was third pairing at best was stupid beyond words.

I love the Condor, but he should've been gone the very moment after his Day with the Cup.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Hindsight is 20/20. NOBODY here wanted to let Val go. Best player in the SCF, in his mid-20s, two way monster who honestly was the best player on the ice for either team whoever the Avs played when he was on his game.

Nobody knew what would happen to him then. If we did, we obviously let him walk.

This is exactly it.

Post Cup Val was "clean" and healthy. There was nothing to suggest he would deter into this train wreck we have seen since then. His extension was considered a steal for what he was bringing on a consistent basis.

Extending or not extending Val was never a discussion point, it was essential.

The decision came down to extending Manson or Kadri first and having one of them wait for EJ to waive and go to Anaheim. Given Manson was only with the team for 4 months, the Avs felt they had a stronger relationship with Kadri and he would be willing to wait, which he was willing to do.

Kadri didn't sign until mid-August. He was giving the Avs all the time they needed, but EJ kept flip-flopping.

 

[flyfysher]

Trying to enter a title defense year with almost no cap room and retaining a $6 million dollar defenseman who was third pairing at best was stupid beyond words.

I love the Condor, but he should've been gone the very moment after his Day with the Cup.

Agreed but considering EJ’s tenure with the Avs going back to Sacco, I just couldn’t see Sakic doing it. Go back and look at EJ and Landy hugging after winning the SC. That would take some balls to involuntarily part ways with EJ. And how many of us wanted to resign a 30+ Kadri? More than a few did. I wasn’t one but there are always hard personnel decisions to be made. I’m just glad the Avs won the SC.

 

[CobraAcesS]

This is exactly it.

Post Cup Val was "clean" and healthy. There was nothing to suggest he would deter into this train wreck we have seen since then. His extension was considered a steal for what he was bringing on a consistent basis.

Extending or not extending Val was never a discussion point, it was essential.

The decision came down to extending Manson or Kadri first and having one of them wait for EJ to waive and go to Anaheim. Given Manson was only with the team for 4 months, the Avs felt they had a stronger relationship with Kadri and he would be willing to wait, which he was willing to do.

Kadri didn't sign until mid-August. He was giving the Avs all the time they needed, but EJ kept flip-flopping.

Makes me wonder if this is why they won't bring him back. They seem to be like that, even if I argue against it.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

20/20 hindsight. Most people thought at the time re-signing Kadri was a fairly big risk especially considering his first 2 years with the Avs and his age going into his new contract. The issue was not to find a proper replacement. Trying Newhook was a bad decision and most people agree with that.

But after Newhook again this is 20/20 hindsight because most people were OK with giving RyJo a shot due to our cap space. It didn't work out and they moved along to getting Mitts which pretty well everybody were very please with. And until the middle of Nov everybody were still happy. Nobody saw Mitts' rapid decline coming so blaming CMac for that mistake is IMO quite dishonest if you ask me. Henchman, which is the poster most was bowing to here, was very happy with giving RyJo a shot and was pounding the table for Mitts. And almost everybody here went along with him especially in Mitts' case, myself included.

If we don't use 20/20 hindsight, for the past three seasons Newhook has been his only mistake at 2C. A lot of people were happy to let Kadri walked because we were very afraid his contract would aged very badly.

 

[Pokecheque]

Agreed but considering EJ’s tenure with the Avs going back to Sacco, I just couldn’t see Sakic doing it. Go back and look at EJ and Landy hugging after winning the SC. That would take some balls to involuntarily part ways with EJ. And how many of us wanted to resign a 30+ Kadri? More than a few did. I wasn’t one but there are always hard personnel decisions to be made. I’m just glad the Avs won the SC.

To me, loyalty goes both ways. I fully realize there has never, ever been a guy who GAF about this organization more than EJ. But his play had been flagging for quite some time. I'm so glad they kept him long enough so he got his name on the Cup. He MORE than earned that. But frankly that's where I think the Avs owing him anything ended. It had the potential to be ugly, but it needed to be done. You simply don't pay a guy that much money if he isn't a top-four option.

I agree though, glad they won when they did, looks more and more like they aren't going to again for a long time.

 

[Ncit3]

Not keeping Kadri at his age after a career year and 2 meh seasons with the Avs was the smart thing to do.

Failing to properly replace him wasn't.

Not like they haven't, especially recently trying to get Mitts, but he doesn't fit at all. I also think finding a true 2C is hard af in the current NHL. Some teams are just blessed (Edmonton) that they have all world talent there.

 

[flyfysher]

What do people think about our own home grown talent in Ritchie? I haven’t followed his development at all. Can he play in the NHL or is he still too defensively lacking and soft? Does he have C potential or is his development so far out that it makes sense to use him as trade bait?

 

[Pokecheque]

Not like they haven't, especially recently trying to get Mitts, but he doesn't fit at all. I also think finding a true 2C is hard af in the current NHL. Some teams are just blessed (Edmonton) that they have all world talent there.

It's really not as hard as the Avs have made it out to be. Not that he would've been a surefire fit with the Avs, but Dylan Strome could've been had for cheap a few seasons back. He's no superstar but he's doing just fine in Washington.

 

[CobraAcesS]

It's really not as hard as the Avs have made it out to be. Not that he would've been a surefire fit with the Avs, but Dylan Strome could've been had for cheap a few seasons back. He's no superstar but he's doing just fine in Washington.

Horvat is the main miss since the cup.

I can't think of anyone else really.

Should of just kept Kadri.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

It's really not as hard as the Avs have made it out to be. Not that he would've been a surefire fit with the Avs, but Dylan Strome could've been had for cheap a few seasons back. He's no superstar but he's doing just fine in Washington.

99% of the people here would have hated getting Strome before his seasons with the Caps.

 

[The Abusement Park]

99% of the people here would have hated getting Strome before his current season with the Caps.

I would've been incredibly anti Strome. He's been really good the last two seasons in WSH. The next step I guess is seeing how he is as a playoff performer.

 

[Pokecheque]

99% of the people here would have hated getting Strome before his current season with the Caps.

Yeah, frankly I would have too. Then again, there was a time when I thought Nathan MacKinnon was going to be a major, major disappointment.

Us fans don't know shit.