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Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

expatriatedtexan said:
Not sure how anyone would suggest throwing away assets on him. Unless they believe we can flip him for a 2C that Mitts doesn't get us.

The Avs don't draft wingers, they draft centers and try to force them to become wingers in the NHL when it becomes CLEARLY obvious they never had what it takes to be a center at the NHL level.

The Avs have also directed a much larger percentage of their cap to wingers than centers and have made the team unbalanced as a result. The answer to this is not adding another top six winger.

We didn't use Rantanen (who dominated the league when played as a center) even though he was better than our other options. Newhook and/or Jost were never going to cut it as effective centers.

Why even entertain bringing in yet one more winger with the hope they can maybe play center? Just go get a god damned center. Pay what it takes if you must but get it done.

That is CMac's job. Bednar's is tougher, because he's suffering from the worst case of tunnel vision I've seen in a head coach in a long, long time. Dude is expecting the 4th line to play the same as the 1st. He's got nothing different to tell them to do. There is a reason why there is so much choas on the Avs. We have a gameplan based around basically the only 5 people in the world capable of playing it. Once that unit is off the ice, everyone is left to defend for themselves. Bednar only tells them they don't skate as well as the top unit and need to be better.
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I kinda agree regarding not targeting W/C's.

If that's the best they can do right now, so be it, but another winger that might be able to play center, should be like Plan S on the alphabet scale.

They gave up a good piece to get Mitts based on hope. Mitts hasn't fit well and his value is lower now. Fine so be it. Now CMac's job is to do everything he can to make up for that.

Gotta do his best to find a better version of Mitts, or at least a better stylistic fit, that's a natural center so you're not just making a trade on hope again, that's a better natural skater, and a better shooter, that's under contract for another year or two plus. That needs to be like Plan A-R.
 
CobraAcesS said:
Isn't that the thing with Crouse? For a big dude he can move.
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Yeah, I don't think we should be prioritizing wingers, but every time I watch Crouse, I'm surprised at how well he moves for such a big man.

I always wonder if he can skate at that pace consistently on a Bednar team without wearing out though? Similar to our conversations on Mitts.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
Yeah, I don't think we should be prioritizing wingers, but every time I watch Crouse, I'm surprised at how well he moves for such a big man.

I always wonder if he can skate at that pace consistently on a Bednar team without wearing out though? Similar to our conversations on Mitts.
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Third line minutes though. I just wish if we were spending 4M on a 3rd line winger, that it was someone more like him rather than Colton.

Colton has drove me nuts since day one though even at 3C.
 
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CobraAcesS said:
Third line minutes though. I just wish if we were spending 4M on a 3rd line winger, that it was someone more like him rather than Colton.

Colton has drove me nuts since day one though even at 3C.
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I would have been ok with Colton at $4M at center, if he was playing well. Especially the way that Wood-Colton-LOC line played. I wish we could have seen that again this year to see if it worked like it did last year.

Seems as though the medium term plan is Drury at 3C though. Colton as an inconsistent 3rd line winger at $4M, that's an easy decision to try to shed that salary in the off season.

Crouse would bring more to the table when not scoring than Colton, but that salary would still be tough to fit in. Maybe if they view him as Val/Landy insurance or something?
 
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Foppa2118 said:
I would have been ok with Colton at $4M at center, if he was playing well. Especially the way that Wood-Colton-LOC line played. I wish we could have seen that again this year to see if it worked like it did last year.

Seems as though the medium term plan is Drury at 3C though. Colton as an inconsistent 3rd line winger at $4M, that's an easy decision to try to shed that salary in the off season.

Crouse would bring more to the table when not scoring than Colton, but that salary would still be tough to fit in. Maybe if they view him as Val/Landy insurance or something?
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That would be the idea, and we need more real net front presence.

It's way down on the priority list though obviously.
 
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Balthazar said:
Jared McCann is as much of a 2C as JTC was.
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JTC has never been bitched the way McCann was by Makar. I've got no place on this team for him.

Foppa2118 said:
Yeah, I don't think we should be prioritizing wingers, but every time I watch Crouse, I'm surprised at how well he moves for such a big man.

I always wonder if he can skate at that pace consistently on a Bednar team without wearing out though? Similar to our conversations on Mitts.
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I've always loved Crouse. @Hasbro will be the first to tell you, I've always leaned towards the beef in our lineup. But I've never though Lawson should be the primary target but rather a piece to make it a bigger trade. Always though we would snag a 2C out of Arizona and try to get Crouse involved to make it bigger. Hayton being the last guy I wanted to target a couple of years ago.

flyfysher said:
Boobs or cataract surgery.
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Penile. We won't notice a difference but his wife is going to thank him. :laugh:
 
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The Abusement Park said:
Not sure about McCanns ability to play C... But he would add something out top 9 desperately needs. An ability and willingness to shot the god damn puck.
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If you could get rid of Colton and Wood, and replace them with McCann and an actual 4th line contract.

He could be pretty useful as a guy that can play C in a pinch, or move up as a top six winger. Especially if they actually try Necas there. Having two guys that know the position could help Necas succeed at it.

He's got speed, he leans shot, Necas leans pass. There is a world where I can see it being a good move.

Even if Landeskog comes back so well that he pushes him down to the 3rd line.

Drury is getting either Landeskog or McCann and if you want some offense from the 3rd line, that would be a good way to do it. I do think Drury is smart enough to produce a touch more.
 
CobraAcesS said:
If you could get rid of Colton and Wood, and replace them with McCann and an actual 4th line contract.

He could be pretty useful as a guy that can play C in a pinch, or move up as a top six winger. Especially if they actually try Necas there. Having two guys that know the position could help Necas succeed at it.

He's got speed, he leans shot, Necas leans pass. There is a world where I can see it being a good move.

Even if Landeskog comes back so well that he pushes him down to the 3rd line.

Drury is getting either Landeskog or McCann and if you want some offense from the 3rd line, that would be a good way to do it. I do think Drury is smart enough to produce a touch more.
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I just...no.

We need a center. Not another winger who could maybe play C in a pinch. Rantanen dominated as a C. We refused to use him as one while we f***ing sucked for two years because we had no 2C.

Do not ever bring in a winger with the thought of them playing C again. At least not until Bednar has been put in his place. He works for the GM and at some point needs to start using the pieces he's given for the purposes they were brought in for. If he can't manage a gameplan around that, then he needs to f***ing go yesterday. I'm not blaming Bednar for Jost or Newhook sucking. I'm blaming him for not imediately moving them to wing. Same with Mitts. I can't blame him for Mitts being in the lineup but I can bash him for doing nothing to really create different identities for his lines based on their talent.

It's gotta suck for CMac to be giving Bednar pieces and see him continously throw them to the side. Especially the deadline aquisitions. CMac brings in sandpaper like we've not had in a long time with both Yakov Trenin and Brandon Duhaime. Bednar somehow f***ed them both up. He just doesn't know what to do with players who aren't as good as MacKinnon and Makar.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I just...no.

We need a center. Not another winger who could maybe play C in a pinch. Rantanen dominated as a C. We refused to use him as one while we f***ing sucked for two years because we had no 2C.

Do not ever bring in a winger with the thought of them playing C again. At least not until Bednar has been put in his place. He works for the GM and at some point needs to start using the pieces he's given for the purposes they were brought in for. If he can't manage a gameplan around that, then he needs to f***ing go yesterday. I'm not blaming Bednar for Jost or Newhook sucking. I'm blaming him for not imediately moving them to wing. Same with Mitts. I can't blame him for Mitts being in the lineup but I can bash him for doing nothing to really create different identities for his lines based on their talent.

It's gotta suck for CMac to be giving Bednar pieces and see him continously throw them to the side. Especially the deadline aquisitions. CMac brings in sandpaper like we've not had in a long time with both Yakov Trenin and Brandon Duhaime. Bednar somehow f***ed them both up. He just doesn't know what to do with players who aren't as good as MacKinnon and Makar.
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Bednar probably edits the stats of his players before starting franchise mode in EA NHL 25. Probably gives every forward MacK stats and every defenseman Frail stats. You also know he gives his goalies prime Patty Roy stats.
 
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Wasn’t McCann drafted as a center and play center in Florida and Pittsburgh? He shifted to the wing mainly when he went to the shitty Kraken
 
expatriatedtexan said:
JTC has never been bitched the way McCann was by Makar. I've got no place on this team for him.


I've always loved Crouse. @Hasbro will be the first to tell you, I've always leaned towards the beef in our lineup. But I've never though Lawson should be the primary target but rather a piece to make it a bigger trade. Always though we would snag a 2C out of Arizona and try to get Crouse involved to make it bigger. Hayton being the last guy I wanted to target a couple of years ago.


Penile. We won't notice a difference but his wife is going to thank him. :laugh:
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What’s a wife and where do I find one?
 
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I think McCann would be a good fit, but he would be on about 20 other teams. I don't think he's played C regularly in a while, which wouldn't be a good thing likely. I like the player though and would like him here.

If we added someone like McCann without shedding Mitts it's a sign to me that Landy isn't coming back. Goes for pretty much any top 6 capable winger
 
expatriatedtexan said:
I just...no.

We need a center. Not another winger who could maybe play C in a pinch. Rantanen dominated as a C. We refused to use him as one while we f***ing sucked for two years because we had no 2C.

Do not ever bring in a winger with the thought of them playing C again. At least not until Bednar has been put in his place. He works for the GM and at some point needs to start using the pieces he's given for the purposes they were brought in for. If he can't manage a gameplan around that, then he needs to f***ing go yesterday. I'm not blaming Bednar for Jost or Newhook sucking. I'm blaming him for not imediately moving them to wing. Same with Mitts. I can't blame him for Mitts being in the lineup but I can bash him for doing nothing to really create different identities for his lines based on their talent.

It's gotta suck for CMac to be giving Bednar pieces and see him continously throw them to the side. Especially the deadline aquisitions. CMac brings in sandpaper like we've not had in a long time with both Yakov Trenin and Brandon Duhaime. Bednar somehow f***ed them both up. He just doesn't know what to do with players who aren't as good as MacKinnon and Makar.
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Dude.. I get holding the hard line, but options are very f***ing limited. We don't even know if Boston is actually willing to move Zacha. We only know they showed interest in Mitts.

I know you're really down on Bednar right now, and in a lot of ways I don't disagree. However this organization unlike others does fallow a certain code.

That's probably why we have three cups in the last 30 years, and so many other organizations can't touch that outside of Tampa.

Chill brother on the fire Bednar stuff. It's absolutely not going to happen dude. It's not, they're way more loyal than that.

If he fails this cup run, and Cmac gives him the amo, then maybe.

Let it go dude. It's not happening until then. They don't operate ruthlessly. They just don't, and never will. Accept it, and embrace why they don't actually operate that way.

I think maybe they've got a few things figured out since we have more cups than any franchise in that span I think. Unless Tampa has us beat?

Chill brother
 
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