Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[flyfysher]

I'm preparing to bump the Nemeth thread again as we speak....

I hate you! (JK but don’t bring him up again).

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

I'm not remotely worried about what other teams do (Dallas can get Jones, I don't think it'd have the same impact as them getting Tanev last season), Avs need to take care of their own f***ing roster and the many deficiencies therein.

I completely disagree with this. Jones is a long-term trade, he could be a great partner for Heiskanen raising their top pairing to on-par with ours or anchoring their 2nd pairing. They're already ridiculously deeper than the Avs when it comes to scoring. Better goalie in net. Dallas adding Jones just makes them that much more of a wall to try and get through.

If Jones came with the $2-3mil retention, I'd move Richtie for him if it moved the needle. At the very least it might force Dallas to trade Bischel.

 

[Linds]

I completely disagree with this. Jones is a long-term trade, he could be a great partner for Heiskanen raising their top pairing to on-par with ours or anchoring their 2nd pairing. They're already ridiculously deeper than the Avs when it comes to scoring. Better goalie in net. Dallas adding Jones just makes them that much more of a wall to try and get through.

If Jones came with the $2-3mil retention, I'd move Richtie for him if it moved the needle. At the very least it might force Dallas to trade Bischel.

This. Also the Avs are likely playing Dallas in the playoffs this year and the next few years. Anytime the Avs can prevent Dallas from improving while also improving their own roster is a no brainer.

 

[myperbixhurts]

I completely disagree with this. Jones is a long-term trade, he could be a great partner for Heiskanen raising their top pairing to on-par with ours or anchoring their 2nd pairing. They're already ridiculously deeper than the Avs when it comes to scoring. Better goalie in net. Dallas adding Jones just makes them that much more of a wall to try and get through.

If Jones came with the $2-3mil retention, I'd move Richtie for him if it moved the needle. At the very least it might force Dallas to trade Bischel.

Blackwood has been better than Oettinger this year

 

[missionAvs]

Hope your lobotomy goes smoothly !

Mine was a 2 for 1. They cut out my perbix at the same time!

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

Sid to Avs E87 as Biz gets a half chub

So, the new trade rumor rating is now based on chubs?
Lowest chance- inny
Next highest-shriveled/cold
Next-half mast
Certain- enchubbened
?

 

[EdAVSfan]

People here seem to worry waaaaaaaay too much about bottom pairing dmen. They are a dime a dozen and are super easy to find.

No...the elephant in the room is how they'll find a new 2C.

We might have to keep Mitts because there's no one else available and if that's the case it's first round exit territory. We can't have just one line that can provide offense and Mitts kills the 2nd line.

I think the important distinction is that we need to simply get a better fit 2C even if the player isn’t necessarily better.

Case in point Rantanen and Necas. I think everyone agrees that Rantanen is the more valuable player, but in our actual system, the difference is not there (albeit a small sample). Same thing with Burskovsky and Lehkonen.

It’s more important to get a stylistic fit than it is to get a player with more perceived value around the league.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I think the important distinction is that we need to simply get a better fit 2C even if the player isn’t necessarily better.

Case in point Rantanen and Necas. I think everyone agrees that Rantanen is the more valuable player, but in our actual system, the difference is not there (albeit a small sample). Same thing with Burskovsky and Lehkonen.

It’s more important to get a stylistic fit than it is to get a player with more perceived value around the league.

Call me crazy, but at this current point in time Necas is the better player. The only thing Mikko is currently better at is shooting the puck, and it isn't a wide margin.

Otherwise I agree. If you go into the playoffs with a center who impacts the game in all situations but isn't necessarily a significant bump in offensive production it could work.

Someone Bednar would be willing to play more.

 

[Pokecheque]

I completely disagree with this. Jones is a long-term trade, he could be a great partner for Heiskanen raising their top pairing to on-par with ours or anchoring their 2nd pairing. They're already ridiculously deeper than the Avs when it comes to scoring. Better goalie in net. Dallas adding Jones just makes them that much more of a wall to try and get through.

If Jones came with the $2-3mil retention, I'd move Richtie for him if it moved the needle. At the very least it might force Dallas to trade Bischel.

That's fine, I'm just not nearly as high on Jones as others are on this board.

 

[LOFIN]

Call me crazy, but at this current point in time Necas is the better player. The only thing Mikko is currently better at is shooting the puck, and it isn't a wide margin.

You're crazy

 

[CobraAcesS]

You're crazy

Lol, he's shooting from everywhere. I can certainly see a drop in his percentage. That is literally how the Canes play as a team.

 

[Pokecheque]

People here seem to worry waaaaaaaay too much about bottom pairing dmen. They are a dime a dozen and are super easy to find.

No...the elephant in the room is how they'll find a new 2C.

We might have to keep Mitts because there's no one else available and if that's the case it's first round exit territory. We can't have just one line that can provide offense and Mitts kills the 2nd line.

Well they're obviously not quite a dime-a-dozen because the Avs somehow went looking and came up with Wish quality merchandise.

Yes, they need to figure out 2C, they continue the mess up there, nothing else matters. But they simply cannot continue with the current mix on the third pairing. Your third pairing cannot consist of guys who are good for a goal against per game even with limited minutes.

 

[The Moops]

Even if getting Jones doesn't make us better (it would be a huge addition), getting him to prevent him from going to Dallas is just as important. Pay up and get him

 

[flyfysher]

Call me crazy, but at this current point in time Necas is the better player. The only thing Mikko is currently better at is shooting the puck, and it isn't a wide margin.

I won’t underestimate what Rants is capable of but the Necas acquisition makes the Avs more balanced with better depth and versatility in their top two lines. I’ll always appreciate what Rants accomplished with as a member of the Avs but Necas is, IMO, already just as good as Rants (if not more valuable to the team and organization in terms of the cap). Knowing what I know now, I’d do that trade again 10 out of 10 times with no hesitation.

 

[LOFIN]

I won’t underestimate what Rants is capable of but the Necas acquisition makes the Avs more balanced with better depth and versatility in their top two lines. I’ll always appreciate what Rants accomplished with as a member of the Avs but Necas is, IMO, already just as good as Rants (if not more valuable to the team and organization in terms of the cap). Knowing what I know now, I’d do that trade again 10 out of 10 times with no hesitation.

I think you can very well make the argument that Necas fits the system better, also our cap structure and that he will age better than Rantanen. But no, in a vacuum, he's not the better player.

 

[flyfysher]

I think the important distinction is that we need to simply get a better fit 2C even if the player isn’t necessarily better.

Case in point Rantanen and Necas. I think everyone agrees that Rantanen is the more valuable player, but in our actual system, the difference is not there (albeit a small sample). Same thing with Burskovsky and Lehkonen.

It’s more important to get a stylistic fit than it is to get a player with more perceived value around the league.

This is why it’s absolutely vital for JB and CMac to be on the same page. Especially in JB’s system. I never would’ve imagined him to be such a butthead about trying different line combinations but it’s a must. You need to know what you’ve got ASAP.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I think the important distinction is that we need to simply get a better fit 2C even if the player isn’t necessarily better.

Case in point Rantanen and Necas. I think everyone agrees that Rantanen is the more valuable player, but in our actual system, the difference is not there (albeit a small sample). Same thing with Burskovsky and Lehkonen.

It’s more important to get a stylistic fit than it is to get a player with more perceived value around the league.

I think fit wise the teams lost a bit of its identity trying to find more "Lehkys". Its seemed like they've really moved away from the speed and automatic zone entries that we had from 18/19-21/22 to trying to add lots of two way ability, getting "low event" guys and getting "harder to play against". This team needs Lehky's and LOC's, but losing Bura and what he brought to this team has been felt pretty immensely since the cup win imo.

1) his shot and scoring ability behind the first line has been sorely missed. Nuke has been a good scorer as has Mikko, but those guys are the core guys and are typically on the first line. Having Bura and his shot on the 2nd line added a scoring threat we haven't had since he left.

2) his zone entry ability was essentially Mack/Necas level. Losing a play driver and transition guy at his level has neutered that 2nd line quite a bit since he left.

Since the cup the team has been so insanely one note and they haven't added anyone with play driving/transition ability to replace what we had. Lehky is awesome and will fit anywhere in the top 6, but a play driver he is not. Drouin is also awesome and fits in great in our system, but he's a decent play driver/transition guy but shouldn't be tasked with being the sole play driver on his line imo. Mitts also is a guy who's skill set can be quite useful, but he desperately needs a play driver on his line to be successful here. He'd probably look amazing with Necas on his line where he can handle the transition duties.

Long story short pre cup win, the Avs had play drivers/transition guys all over the lineup. Guys who could get the puck in our zone and get it out successfully majority of the time. That's not even remotely close to the case now. It's basically Mackinnon/Necas(who are on the same line), Nuke, and LOCish. Hopefully Necas is the return to finding these guys because it's integral to how Bednar wants to play.

 

[flyfysher]

I think you can very well make the argument that Necas fits the system better, also our cap structure and that he will age better than Rantanen. But no, in a vacuum, he's not the better player.

Depends on how you define better player. Individual accomplishments and accolades maybe. More valuable to the team and organization under the circumstances? I’ll go with Necas. Maybe I’m blinded by the shiny new toy syndrome but I don’t think so. When I watched Rants and see how motivated he was in his play on ice, there is no comparison to Necas. And you can’t deny Necas moves his feet in games. Rants looks mired in quicksand in comparison.

 

[Pokecheque]

Lol, he's shooting more, and from everywhere. I can certainly see a drop in his percentage. That is literally how the Canes play as a team.

Avs shooting luck has been shit this year too.

Mikko is the better player, full stop. He is an elite winger and one of the best scorers in the NHL. Both are fantastic talents on the offensive end of the ice and pretty lousy at defense. Necas is obviously the better skater but no way is he the same level of playmaker and shooter that Mikko is.

What I'm seeing is that Necas is a far, far better fit for the Avs than he ever was with the Canes.

Avs also got some desperately-needed depth with Drury, and a guy who can finally win a f***ing faceoff. Both those things are huge for a team like this.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

F*** Dallas, just take Jones on with a full cap hit and move Necas to the 2nd line

Teams having to stop Nate + Makar-Toews then have to worry about Necas + Girard-Jones right after are gonna have a bad time

 

[myperbixhurts]

Even if Dallas gets Jones, it will depend on what CMac does and if we can compete with them in the playoffs. I mean the world doesn’t end with Seth Jones. There are other players CMac can get which will make the Avs better

 

[niwotsblessing]

This is why it’s absolutely vital for JB and CMac to be on the same page. Especially in JB’s system. I never would’ve imagined him to be such a butthead about trying different line combinations but it’s a must. You need to know what you’ve got ASAP.

This is a demonstration of his inflexibility as a coach.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Even if Dallas gets Jones, it will depend on what CMac does and if we can compete with them in the playoffs. I mean the world doesn’t end with Seth Jones. There are other players CMac can get which will make the Avs better

We don't have any assets to sell, so that's why Jones was kinda attactive option. A bit of market opportunity in a way.

 

[LOFIN]

Even if Dallas gets Jones, it will depend on what CMac does and if we can compete with them in the playoffs.

How much of that is really dependant on the rosters, and how much of the fact that DeBoer has simply outcoached Bednar every single f***ing time they've played against eachother?

The Nuke incident and injuries of course had an impact last year, but we were mostly just outplayed.

 

[Foppberg]

I want Jones. It'd be a full circle thing after how much it was hyped we were gonna draft him lol