Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[The Merchant]

Necas $6.5m + Jones $7m = $13.5m, roughly what Rantanen is rumoured to want. Clearly the Avs would get better value from Jones and Necas at their caphits.

And what exactly are the Avs paying to get the Hawks to retain $2.5mill for the next five and a half years?

 

[Murzu]

And what exactly are the Avs paying to get the Hawks to retain $2.5mill for the next five and a half years?

It's a good question.

At 9,5M Jones has negative value. How much they have to retain in order to make the contract neutral value? Where is the line? At 8,5M? The raising cap might effect that.

At 7-7,5M Jones has decent value, no doubt. I think the offer of Wood, Ivan and 2026 1st proposed earlier here would be fair.

 

[Richard88]

And what exactly are the Avs paying to get the Hawks to retain $2.5mill for the next five and a half years?

That's the question.

Obviously nobody is touching that contract at full value, $9.5m X5. That's negative value and Chicago would probably have to pay a little to move him.

He also has a full NMC which limits Chicago's return as there likely won't be a bidding war. More like Jones dictating where he wants to go and Chicago doing what is needed to get it done with that team.

So at what point does a player with full NMC become a net-neutral value? At $8.5m? At $8m? $7.5m?

And at what point does he go from net-neutral to positive value? Clearly there's a point where it becomes more feasible for the Avs to take him on. Of course there's a decision to be made on how valuable the capspace would be and where it's worth it to pay.

That is, maybe Cmac thinks he can manage having Jones at $8.5m, and prefers to not give up any assets to get him at that number (if that's "net-neutral"). Or maybe CMac wants to buy some more capspace by adding a little to get him at $7m. Those are obviously questions only Cmac can decide on ultimately.

Let's also not forget that $9.5m X 5 is $47.5m. By retaining $2m Chicago free up $39.5m across the next 5 years, by moving a player who apparently doesn't want to be there and whose caphit doesn't justify keeping based on how he's playing on that team. Clearly there's a benefit in doing that for them, even if the return is minimal.

Personally I think I'd go the route of trying to get as much retention as possible without giving up any premium assets (i.e. Ritchie/Gulyayev//Nabokov/1st). If that gets him at $7.5m that would be great. If it's only $8m it's probably still manageable but starts to be a bit tricky with the cap.

Unless Jones comes in at under $5m (unlikely) you'll have to move one of Wood or Colton out too. In which case I'd probably move Colton for a decent return and use the assets from that trade in a package to acquire a replacement at a lower caphit.

 

[Richard88]

Acquiring Jones at $7.5m (21% retained) and trading Colton (eg. to NJ) would leave the 21 man roster below and $3.144m in space to spend on a forward...

To put that in perspective, below is a list of pending UFA's with caphits up to $6.3m. With up to 50% retention all of these would be alternatives in the scenario above.

Alternatively you could move Wood instead of Colton but that would only leave ~$1.5m in available space for a forward, so the options would be limited to those with a $3m caphit and below (assuming 50% retention on contracts above $1.5m AAV).

Personally Marchand would be pretty epic. You add him at 50% and then Landeskog for the playoffs and you suddenly have a ridiculously stacked roster...

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Marchand - Mittelstadt - Necas
Landeskog - Drury - Lehkonen
Wood - Kelly - Parssinen
Kiviranta

Toews - Makar
Girard - Jones
DeHaan - Manson
Malinski

That's what "all-in" looks like.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Can we stop saying that Colton can't be traded because he has a NTC? He only has one for one year, and it expires in the offseason

He's 100% being traded sometime in 2025

 

[EdAVSfan]

Can we stop saying that Colton can't be traded because he has a NTC? He only has one for one year, and it expires in the offseason

He's 100% being traded sometime in 2025

Just to clarify, he has a FULL NTC this year and a partial one next year.

It’s not completely gone

 

[Alienblood]

Can we stop saying that Colton can't be traded because he has a NTC? He only has one for one year, and it expires in the offseason

He's 100% being traded sometime in 2025

I'd like to keep him for the playoffs anyway

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Miller comes into NY, instantly pisses off Trocheck, Rangers fall out of playoff picture, trade Trocheck to Avs for Mitts++ ..... Profit

 

[shadow1]

Miller comes into NY, instantly pisses off Trocheck, Rangers fall out of playoff picture, trade Trocheck to Avs for Mitts++ ..... Profit

Miller and Trochek are childhood best friends. Trochek posted a picture of himself hugging his daughter after the trade.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

RIAL postes Drouin's points per game since last being scratched and he's over PPG. Doubt he gets only $3.5m if he stays healthy and continues that pace the rest of this season.

He took considerably less money last summer to stay. He has no desire to play anywhere else at all.

I'm pretty confident if the Avs gave him good term and perhaps trade protections, he'd be happy to take a deal like that and finish his career here.

Maybe a little higher then $3.5M, but not much.


Also, as you said. "If he stays healthy" well even if he played every single game from here to the end of the season, he's only going to hit 49 games this year. That isn't healthy.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Miller and Trochek are childhood best friends. Trochek posted a picture of himself hugging his daughter after the trade.

So much for that already far-fetched theory . I wanted us to get him really bad when he was a FA but he was never going to come here.

He took considerably less money last summer to stay. He has no desire to play anywhere else at all.

I'm pretty confident if the Avs gave him good term and perhaps trade protections, he'd be happy to take a deal like that and finish his career here.

Maybe a little higher then $3.5M, but not much.


Also, as you said. "If he stays healthy" well even if he played every single game from here to the end of the season, he's only going to hit 49 games this year. That isn't healthy.

I think a Lehky deal might be likely $4.5M x 5 or longer.

 

[CobraAcesS]

He took considerably less money last summer to stay. He has no desire to play anywhere else at all.

I'm pretty confident if the Avs gave him good term and perhaps trade protections, he'd be happy to take a deal like that and finish his career here.

Maybe a little higher then $3.5M, but not much.


Also, as you said. "If he stays healthy" well even if he played every single game from here to the end of the season, he's only going to hit 49 games this year. That isn't healthy.

Yeah, I think with the injury history it's time for him to value security, especially here. Just offer him 3.5M until 2031-32 when MacKinnon's contract expires, and front load it appropriately. Guarantees he plays the rest of his career with Mack, and gets paid more appropriately during the prime years he has left.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Yeah, I think with the injury history it's time for him to value security, especially here. Just offer him 3.5M until 2031-32 when MacKinnon's contract expires, and front load it appropriately. Guarantees he plays the rest of his career with Mack, and gets paid more appropriately during the prime years he has left.

Colorado definitely has some leverage here but Drouins agent will point to the fact he is undoubtedly a top 6 player here albiet with injury history. With the cap going up anything less than $5M will be a pretty good steal and a testament to how much Drouin wants to be here. The more under $5M he takes the more of a fan of his I become warts/injury history notwithstanding.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Colorado definitely has some leverage here but Drouins agent will point to the fact he is undoubtedly a top 6 player here albiet with injury history. With the cap going up anything less than $5M will be a pretty good steal and a testament to how much Drouin wants to be here. The more under $5M he takes the more of a fan of his I become warts/injury history notwithstanding.

4M AAV is probably more realistic than 3.5.

6+6+6+4+3+2+1 = 28M

They have to do some weird stuff with signing bonuses because of the 35% and 50% rules though. So not sure how all of that works.

Like Seth Jones makes 7.5 this year, but the last three years are 2.5. His contract is signing bonus heavy. I know that.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

IMO 4M/yr will be the max the Avs will pay for Drouin. They will give him more term to keep it down as much as they can. 3.75M for 6 or 7 yrs is my guess.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

With Mitts playing a lot better lately and Nuke coming back (and most likely Landy at some point as well) getting Jones at 7.5M is my main target if I am CMac. Manson needs to be pushed down to 3RD. In his defense I think his hand bother him a lot more than people think. It is obviously he has issues controlling the puck. He is making terrible passes and the puck rolls off his stick very often. An 80% Manson cannot be our 2RD for the playoffs.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

That Jones contract is just so bad and we have to give up value to get retention to get it to a stomachable level. I just don't love anything about it.

The cap going up is something, but man that contract just SUCKS SO MUCH. I don't think we'll do it.

 

[CobraAcesS]

That Jones contract is just so bad and we have to give up value to get retention to get it to a stomachable level. I just don't love anything about it.

The cap going up is something, but man that contract just SUCKS SO MUCH. I don't think we'll do it.

Averaging 24:40 per game and pacing for 56 points over 82 @ .685 ppg.

TERRIBLE

 

[EdAVSfan]

That Jones contract is just so bad and we have to give up value to get retention to get it to a stomachable level. I just don't love anything about it.

The cap going up is something, but man that contract just SUCKS SO MUCH. I don't think we'll do it.

You e made the assumption that we need to pay value for retention. I’m not sure that’s the case. IMO, Chicago has to retain just to get that value to a positive position.
That doesn’t even factor in the NMC.

Now if Chicago has no interest or desire to move him, that’s an entirely different story. But if they do, his cap hit and NMC prob limits where he can go to maybe a handful of teams, maybe only 1.

It’s the JTMiller situation all over again.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Yea, Jones only makes sense if Chicago is willing to retain just to make him moveable. If you have to pay for retention there’s no point. Jones is a guy where I think you acquire him if the actual cost is cheap, but it’s because you’re taking on a bloated contract

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yea, Jones only makes sense if Chicago is willing to retain just to make him moveable. If you have to pay for retention there’s no point. Jones is a guy where I think you acquire him if the actual cost is cheap, but it’s because you’re taking on a bloated contract

I'd happily give 1st + Richie + Wood + whatever for him at 7.5M.

 

[Vaslof]

Drouin could be somewhat cheap due to injury history, but I would expect Lehkonen to be more like 8M a year.

 

[Miri]

Hughes and Makar on the same team? You do realize there is only one puck right?

Easy fix, our games will be played with 2 pucks :-P

 

[myperbixhurts]

If CMac doesn’t do anything else before the 4 nations or during, there are only 6 more games I believe until the trade deadline

 

[a mangy Meowth]

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Averaging 24:40 per game and pacing for 56 points over 82 @ .685 ppg.

TERRIBLE

Is Granlund also a 1st line center? Anyway I said the contract sucks, not the player lol