Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[The Merchant]

Necas $6.5m + Jones $7m = $13.5m, roughly what Rantanen is rumoured to want. Clearly the Avs would get better value from Jones and Necas at their caphits.

And what exactly are the Avs paying to get the Hawks to retain $2.5mill for the next five and a half years?

 

[Murzu]

And what exactly are the Avs paying to get the Hawks to retain $2.5mill for the next five and a half years?

It's a good question.

At 9,5M Jones has negative value. How much they have to retain in order to make the contract neutral value? Where is the line? At 8,5M? The raising cap might effect that.

At 7-7,5M Jones has decent value, no doubt. I think the offer of Wood, Ivan and 2026 1st proposed earlier here would be fair.

 

[Richard88]

And what exactly are the Avs paying to get the Hawks to retain $2.5mill for the next five and a half years?

That's the question.

Obviously nobody is touching that contract at full value, $9.5m X5. That's negative value and Chicago would probably have to pay a little to move him.

He also has a full NMC which limits Chicago's return as there likely won't be a bidding war. More like Jones dictating where he wants to go and Chicago doing what is needed to get it done with that team.

So at what point does a player with full NMC become a net-neutral value? At $8.5m? At $8m? $7.5m?

And at what point does he go from net-neutral to positive value? Clearly there's a point where it becomes more feasible for the Avs to take him on. Of course there's a decision to be made on how valuable the capspace would be and where it's worth it to pay.

That is, maybe Cmac thinks he can manage having Jones at $8.5m, and prefers to not give up any assets to get him at that number (if that's "net-neutral"). Or maybe CMac wants to buy some more capspace by adding a little to get him at $7m. Those are obviously questions only Cmac can decide on ultimately.

Let's also not forget that $9.5m X 5 is $47.5m. By retaining $2m Chicago free up $39.5m across the next 5 years, by moving a player who apparently doesn't want to be there and whose caphit doesn't justify keeping based on how he's playing on that team. Clearly there's a benefit in doing that for them, even if the return is minimal.

Personally I think I'd go the route of trying to get as much retention as possible without giving up any premium assets (i.e. Ritchie/Gulyayev//Nabokov/1st). If that gets him at $7.5m that would be great. If it's only $8m it's probably still manageable but starts to be a bit tricky with the cap.

Unless Jones comes in at under $5m (unlikely) you'll have to move one of Wood or Colton out too. In which case I'd probably move Colton for a decent return and use the assets from that trade in a package to acquire a replacement at a lower caphit.

 

[Richard88]

Acquiring Jones at $7.5m (21% retained) and trading Colton (eg. to NJ) would leave the 21 man roster below and $3.144m in space to spend on a forward...

To put that in perspective, below is a list of pending UFA's with caphits up to $6.3m. With up to 50% retention all of these would be alternatives in the scenario above.

Alternatively you could move Wood instead of Colton but that would only leave ~$1.5m in available space for a forward, so the options would be limited to those with a $3m caphit and below (assuming 50% retention on contracts above $1.5m AAV).

Personally Marchand would be pretty epic. You add him at 50% and then Landeskog for the playoffs and you suddenly have a ridiculously stacked roster...

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Marchand - Mittelstadt - Necas
Landeskog - Drury - Lehkonen
Wood - Kelly - Parssinen
Kiviranta

Toews - Makar
Girard - Jones
DeHaan - Manson
Malinski

That's what "all-in" looks like.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Can we stop saying that Colton can't be traded because he has a NTC? He only has one for one year, and it expires in the offseason

He's 100% being traded sometime in 2025

 

[EdAVSfan]

Can we stop saying that Colton can't be traded because he has a NTC? He only has one for one year, and it expires in the offseason

He's 100% being traded sometime in 2025

Just to clarify, he has a FULL NTC this year and a partial one next year.

It’s not completely gone

 

[Alienblood]

Can we stop saying that Colton can't be traded because he has a NTC? He only has one for one year, and it expires in the offseason

He's 100% being traded sometime in 2025

I'd like to keep him for the playoffs anyway

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Miller comes into NY, instantly pisses off Trocheck, Rangers fall out of playoff picture, trade Trocheck to Avs for Mitts++ ..... Profit

 

[shadow1]

Miller comes into NY, instantly pisses off Trocheck, Rangers fall out of playoff picture, trade Trocheck to Avs for Mitts++ ..... Profit

Miller and Trochek are childhood best friends. Trochek posted a picture of himself hugging his daughter after the trade.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

RIAL postes Drouin's points per game since last being scratched and he's over PPG. Doubt he gets only $3.5m if he stays healthy and continues that pace the rest of this season.

He took considerably less money last summer to stay. He has no desire to play anywhere else at all.

I'm pretty confident if the Avs gave him good term and perhaps trade protections, he'd be happy to take a deal like that and finish his career here.

Maybe a little higher then $3.5M, but not much.


Also, as you said. "If he stays healthy" well even if he played every single game from here to the end of the season, he's only going to hit 49 games this year. That isn't healthy.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Miller and Trochek are childhood best friends. Trochek posted a picture of himself hugging his daughter after the trade.

So much for that already far-fetched theory . I wanted us to get him really bad when he was a FA but he was never going to come here.

He took considerably less money last summer to stay. He has no desire to play anywhere else at all.

I'm pretty confident if the Avs gave him good term and perhaps trade protections, he'd be happy to take a deal like that and finish his career here.

Maybe a little higher then $3.5M, but not much.


Also, as you said. "If he stays healthy" well even if he played every single game from here to the end of the season, he's only going to hit 49 games this year. That isn't healthy.

I think a Lehky deal might be likely $4.5M x 5 or longer.

 

[CobraAcesS]

He took considerably less money last summer to stay. He has no desire to play anywhere else at all.

I'm pretty confident if the Avs gave him good term and perhaps trade protections, he'd be happy to take a deal like that and finish his career here.

Maybe a little higher then $3.5M, but not much.


Also, as you said. "If he stays healthy" well even if he played every single game from here to the end of the season, he's only going to hit 49 games this year. That isn't healthy.

Yeah, I think with the injury history it's time for him to value security, especially here. Just offer him 3.5M until 2031-32 when MacKinnon's contract expires, and front load it appropriately. Guarantees he plays the rest of his career with Mack, and gets paid more appropriately during the prime years he has left.