Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Pokecheque]

Is this Olli Jokinen emoji a laughing emoji or it’s an angry one? It’s hard to tell

Angry

 

[CobraAcesS]

The players cap hit still changes though based on days on the roster so it still matters.

If the Avs are up against the cap, and they have say $5M in LTIR space, they can't trade for a $7M AAV until later in the season when the prorated amount is less than $5M, with the divided by 192 days calculation.

Are you sure about this analysis?

Fkn Hench left us at the wrong time lol. Someone get Greg Sherman into posting of HF lol.

 

[The Merchant]

 

[CobraAcesS]

Boom

 

[myperbixhurts]

We gotta get lucky

I hope Crosby just realizes he can't stand not being competitive.

I think Sid has already realized that. Now it’s just a matter of pride and loyalty for the Pens for him to finish the career in Pittsburgh. He needs to think past that and come play with his good buddy Nate and win another cup. That loyalty and pride will only frustrate him until retirement

 

[CobraAcesS]

I think Sid has already realized that. Now it’s just a matter of pride and loyalty for the Pens for him to finish the career in Pittsburgh. He needs to think past that and come play with his good buddy Nate and win another cup. That loyalty and pride will only frustrate him until retirement

It worked out well for Ray Bourque.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Angry

It kinda looks like Olli is laughing

 

[myperbixhurts]

It worked out well for Ray Bourque.

The only difference is Ray didn’t have a cup and really wanted one. I wish Sid didn’t have one

 

[myperbixhurts]

Are you sure about this analysis?

Fkn Hench left us at the wrong time lol. Someone get Greg Sherman into posting of HF lol.

We really do need a capologist here. I tried my best to charm in and help with that debate, but I brought up hookers. Not much help I’m assuming

 

[Foppa2118]

Are you sure about this analysis?

I'm capable of being wrong like anybody else, but I haven't seen anything that suggests otherwise.

The part about how a player's cap hit is calculated divided by 192 x number of days on the roster is very clear.

Why would the league calculate a players cap hit different on a team into LTIR? That would give teams a much bigger unfair advantage when trading for them at the deadline. Jones would cost 4x more toward the cap for the Avs if traded for at the deadline than a team not on LTIR.

 

[CobraAcesS]

The only difference is Ray didn’t have a cup and really wanted one. I wish Sid didn’t have one

I don't wish that, but continuing to play not making the playoffs probably isn't worth it. I don't see Crosby caring about a record the way Ovechkin does.

 

[myperbixhurts]

I don't wish that, but continuing to play not making the playoffs probably isn't worth it. I don't see Crosby caring about a record the way Ovechkin does.

I know I was selfish saying I wish Sid didn’t have a cup. I just think if he didn’t have one, there is a really good chance he would want to go somewhere to win one, and Avs would probably be the team. He has 3 cups though, so it will be hard to convince him to leave Pittsburgh

 

[hockeyfish]

We really do need a capologist here. I tried my best to charm in and help with that debate, but I brought up hookers. Not much help I’m assuming

I try o do my best with it, but I will never be an Hench’s level. I hope some team plucked him up and that’s why he left.

Anyway, Foppa is right that cap hits calculated daily, and sliced into a daily hit to make it work. But his example doesn’t quite work because the player added mid season is replacing a player who was already counting towards the cap. If you add a 950k player mid way, who replaces a 950k player, it evens out to 950k for that roster spot, not 475k.

 

[Vaslof]

I'm capable of being wrong like anybody else, but I haven't seen anything that suggests otherwise.

The part about how a player's cap hit is calculated divided by 192 x number of days on the roster is very clear.

Why would the league calculate a players cap hit different on a team into LTIR? That would give teams a much bigger unfair advantage when trading for them at the deadline. Jones would cost 4x more toward the cap for the Avs if traded for at the deadline than a team not on LTIR.

That is how it works based on what I read here:

https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/answers/traded-cap-hits-proration

Of course someone can double check the source, this should all be on the public CBA documents.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

This market is downright awful for buyers.

There’s… nothing to buy.

 

[dahrougem2]

The players cap hit still changes though based on days on the roster so it still matters.

If the Avs are up against the cap, and they have say $5M in LTIR space, they can't trade for a $7M AAV until later in the season when the prorated amount is less than $5M, with the divided by 192 days calculation.

I'm not sure I understand this. Wouldn't the Avs then (and every team in the league) be able to acquire insanely expensive players at the TDL?

I don't believe you're trading for a pro-rated cap hit here.

 

[Alienblood]

This market is downright awful for buyers.

There’s… nothing to buy.

Shake the tree something will shake loose after 4 Nations

 

[myperbixhurts]

Welp

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

Welp

Maybe it’s best to start making our peace with the fact we (Avs) likely won’t get anything , at least not something significant

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Shake the tree something will shake loose after 4 Nations

The first couple of teams that decide to sell will be able to get high prices for their players. That’s for sure.

In the East, it seems only Buffalo and Pittsburgh have accepted their fates and are willing to sell. Maybe Philly. Too many shitty teams all bunched together with hopes of getting a wildcard spot. Detroit, Montreal, the Islanders, Boston, the Rangers…

In the West, you may have a few more. Chicago and San Jose willing to sell. Maybe the likes of Nashville, Seattle, St. Louis, Anaheim, and Utah put the for sale sign up at some point.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Is this Olli Jokinen emoji a laughing emoji or it’s an angry one? It’s hard to tell

It's angry, but sometimes it's also just Olli

 

[myperbixhurts]

Maybe it’s best to start making our peace with the fact we (Avs) likely won’t get anything , at least not something significant

Probably nothing significant as far as a 2C, but we still need some depth pieces, mostly on defense, and maybe another depth center

 

[CobraAcesS]

Maybe it’s best to start making our peace with the fact we (Avs) likely won’t get anything , at least not something significant

So fix the defense in a strong way, and hope the rest shakes out.

 

[Pacman33]

Really wish we would at least give necas a look at center. Becomes so much easier when you can just trade for talent instead of position

 

[hockeyfish]

The first couple of teams that decide to sell will be able to get high prices for their players. That’s for sure.

In the East, it seems only Buffalo and Pittsburgh have accepted their fates and are willing to sell. Maybe Philly. Too many shitty teams all bunched together with hopes of getting a wildcard spot. Detroit, Montreal, the Islanders, Boston, the Rangers…

In the West, you may have a few more. Chicago and San Jose willing to sell. Maybe the likes of Nashville, Seattle, St. Louis, Anaheim, and Utah put the for sale sign up at some point.

I don’t know if Buffalo is even selling. More like buying curious.