Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[NateTheGreat]

Go get Pettersson.

Mittelstadt
Ritchie
1st
2nd

 

[Vk1ing]

Does anyone remember saad taking shots at colorado when he left or am I just tripping? I vaguely remember him saying something, just want confirmation

 

[CobraAcesS]

Does anyone remember saad taking shots at colorado when he left or am I just tripping? I vaguely remember him saying something, just want confirmation

I don't remember them, but you aren't the only one to bring it up.

 

[BobRossColton]

Okay here's a fun time

To Anaheim
Ritchie
2nd
2.6 mill retention EP40
CDH


To Vancouver
Mitts
Malinski
Ivan²
1st

To Colorado
EP40 @ 9mill
Dumoulin


Another deal for a d man

 

[Foppa2118]

Also Mitts himself has said he's never had a stretch like this.

But I disagree with one part of your post. I don't believe the issue in regards to Avs fans' frustration with him this season, is due to fans having unrealistic expectations of Mittelstadt. I think it's more due to the fact that the man completely disappeared for the better part of a third of the season - a third of the full 82 game season.

He had 2 goals and 8 assists across 27 games, from around mid-November through mid-January. That's not a 50 point pace, or a 60 point pace. That's a 30 point pace. In that timeframe, he had 15 games in which he not only didn't register a point, he did not have a single shot on goal.

.....

He's been better over the past 10 days or so. Let's hope it's a trend, rather than an anomaly.

I think Mitts is better than his recent cold streak, but this is kinda how he's been his whole career. Hot streak, followed by lengthy cold streak, then another little hot streak.

That's why I was saying earlier in the season he's better than he's showing, and that he'll probably have another hot streak at some point, and end with around 60 points again.

You can't judge him based on just his hot or cold streak, you have to judge him based on both, and look at his end of season totals, rather than his production during his individual streaks. You have to look at the entirety of his contribution over a full season.

Right now he's got 5 points in 6 games. Before that he had 0 points in 5 games. Before that he had 4 in 7. Before that he had 8 in 14 games. Before that 0 points in 8 games.

The real issue production wise though is goal scoring. He had a hot streak to begin the season with 6 goals in his first 10 games. That gave lots of people false hope.

Since Oct 30th though, he's got 3 goals in 41 games. That's a 6 goal pace over 82 games with a half season sample size. 4x the sample of his season opening hot streak.

See what I'm getting at here?

He's had these stretches before during his career too, so I'm not sure he's being honest if he says he hasn't. Demoted to 4th lines most seasons. Demoted to the AHL one year. They've actually been worse in the past. Even last regular season with the Avs, he ended it with 0 goals in the last 8.

His career year with 59 points, he scored his first goal in game 4. Then went 7 games without a goal. Then had 4 goals in 7 games. Then 0 goals in 14 games. Then had a 2 goal game. Then 0 goals in 17. Then 2 goals in 3. Then 0 in 6. Then a goal. Then 0 goals in 17 games again. Then 5 goals in 5 games.

Season before he had 6, 7, 8, and 11 game goalless droughts, with multiple 5 and 6 game pointless droughts.

Season before same thing, with a 14 game goalless drought.

Season before that he ended up in the AHL because he had a 6 game pointless drought, then had a 2 goal 5 point mini hot streak in 3 games, immedietly followed by an ice cold 15 game pointless drought.

Same hot and cold theme his entire career right? Even in his best career seasons.

If he can shoot more, and work on his shot to improve it, he can up his production. That should be his focus.

But the inconsistency is a real thing throughout his entire career, and as you mention, it impacts his overall game, including his defense, and his possession game with lots of turnovers killing the play

The cold streaks have always been there. The hot streaks have just gotten a little hotter in the last few years. He just really needs to find a way to have a positive impact on games, even when he's not producing.

If he can do that, the 60 point production may not be what some were expecting, but it can still be enough to help them win a Cup if he plays well in the playoffs, and others play well.

 

[willy702]

Okay here's a fun time

To Anaheim
Ritchie
2nd
2.6 mill retention EP40
CDH


To Vancouver
Mitts
Malinski
Ivan²
1st

To Colorado
EP40 @ 9mill
Dumoulin


Another deal for a d man

Why would Anaheim do that? Heck why would Vancouver do that?

 

[Balthazar]

Seriously? They're going to flip him!? Yeah, count me in.

 

[Foppa2118]

Carolina is still gonna find a way to bring in Miller and really go for it.

They win the cup.

Mikko signs in Edmonton.

We vomit.

Fine. Can we just get a little old fashioned phone call from a Cole Harbour friend tampering though please? Or a little old fashioned "see how much fun it is playing together" talk at an international tourney?

Everybody else can do what they want. Vegas can loophole LTIR all they want. Carolina can get half the league to retain on deadline deals.

I just want Crosby and Jones plus another D man like Dumoulin, with a healthy Gabe and Val, and I'll take that team against anyone. Is that too much to ask? Don't answer that question.

What happened to "just do your job" Nate? Convincing Sid to be traded here is part of your job.

 

[BobRossColton]

Why would Anaheim do that? Heck why would Vancouver do that?

No idea, I became bored with the Vancouver only stuff so I thought I'd try it Chicago's way..(ish)

 

[willy702]

No idea, I became bored with the Vancouver only stuff so I thought I'd try it Chicago's way..(ish)

Haha yeah this fantasy land. It's just worth remembering you never get something of high value by just giving up spare parts or guys you don't mind seeing leave. Real trades are like the one that happened, there's real pain in what you ship out and always a doubt about did you give up too much.

 

[Foppa2118]

Lots of thoughts:

- Saad would be a great Wood replacement at 4LW at league min. Signing him would allow us to move Wood and not look for a replacement F. Obviously not as physical but doesn't other nice things

- Drouin hasn't been great with Mack-Necas IMO. If Bednar is so adamant about them together, at least try someone like Colton up there to see if he can find his groove from early in the season. Allows you to run Lehky - Mitts -Dru second line. Or Parssinen. Give one of these guys an opportunity to succeed. Overall Bednar just needs to try a lot of different combos pre-playoffs since he has a new toy, he needs to see the possibilites.

- Agree with @shadow1 that if the Avs move on from Mitts it will be for a sure thing, not guys like Morgan Frost (more below)

- Jones is definitely not overrated, people hate on him because of his contract. Very few RHD options out there that can play in all situations. He's having a great year statistically, retention is just the issue.

- Overall, Kadri + Andersson is the best option IMO to fill our holes to compete this season and next. I'm still dubious that it will make a difference this year by shaking up the team so much. But that's the package I'd be aggressive with and give Conroy 'and offer he can't refuse'. There's even a decent chance we could re-sign Rasmus when his contract is up and Manson is gone.

- Jones is the next best option, but it means we stick with Mitts at 2C I think. I don't see a realistic sure upgrade that would be available with the cap space needed to bring in Jones. At that point I'd try Necas at 2C as well for a stint and have Mitts and Drury move down. Would be something like this:

Drouin - Mack - Nuke
Parssinen - Necas - Lehkonen
Landeksog? - Mitts - LOC
Kelly - Drury - Kivi (assumes Wood + Colton is moved in the Jones deal)
Saad?

Also opens up options of trading for a cheaper middle 6LW at the deadline.

And last but not least, to follow @Richard88 analysis of our D options, here are some realistic C options given the standings of today:

East:

Three of the bold teams will make the POs, I put a * around the ones I expect at this point

OTT*
BOS
TB*
CBJ*
DET
MTL
NYR
PHI
NYI - Nelson
PIT -Malkin
BUF

I don't see the top 7 teams having realistic options for us, either because they lack C depth themselves or there's not a clear Mitts upgrade. That leaves pretty much NYI, Pitt & BUF as options. BUF probably not realistic either good fit but Nelson or Malkin are the names that jump out on the bottom 2. Who knows what Lou is thinking though.

West:
only one spot up for grabs in the West barring an Avs and/or LA meltdown

CGY - Kadri
VAN - Miller/EP (no)
STL
UTA
ANA
SEA - McCann, Gourde, Stephenson
NSH - O'Reilly (no)
CHI - Maybe Kurashev/Dickinson as add-ons in a Jones deal
SJS - Granlund

The names that jump out to me here are Kadri. McCann (is he playing C?), Granlund.

Granlund I don't love stylistically and size wise, although he's a good player. I'd more look to bring him as a 3C option to supplement Mitts (ala Gourde, and at that point I'd choose Gourde).

Like Kadri, McCann is a shooter. He makes less than Mitts and is only 2 years older. Would be a good fit if he's playing C and maybe the Kraken entertain it to get a little younger. I'd say Chandler Stephenson is a darkhorse. I really don't like that contract but it won't be as bad with a rising cap, and he showed he can handle top 6 minutes with Vegas. Has speed and is a playoff performer. Maybe Kraken have some buyers remorse.

Curious who you guys like and if I missed anyone. More options open up for forwards if Necas can be a fit at C. Even a guy like Marchand, for example.

Agree with a lot of this, but I'm torn on Kadri.

I've had thoughts often about the Avs bringing him back this year. They know he fits the team well, his speed up the middle fits them well especially, he's a goal scorer, he's good in the bumper on the PP, and he brings that swagger they've been missing with him and Bo.

They've likely missed out on the three best years of that contract though.

He turns 35 at the start of next year. Maybe he still has gas left in the tank to be a good 2C on a contender this year, but at that age, the big drop off can come at any season. Usually comes around 35.

They may only get one good run out of him.

Like you say, if they move on from Mitts, IMO they should target someone who's a good bet to be the 2C they need for the duration of Mitts contract, the next two years.

Naz should be an option, but I'm not sure if he should be Plan A. Problem is, a lot of the other obvious options have issues as well. This is exactly when we need CMac to pull another rabbit out of the hat.

 

[Iceberg]

Forget about EP40, if CMac had any interest in him he would be here already.

Vancouver were ready do deal him for Necas + but Carolina chose Rantanen instead.

It could easily be worked a three way trade to send Necas to Vancouver and bring EP40 here. Clearly CMac wasn't interested.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Forget about EP40, if CMac had any interest in him he would be here already.

Vancouver were ready do deal him for Necas + but Carolina chose Rantanen instead.

It could easily be worked a three way trade to send Necas to Vancouver and bring EP40 here. Clearly CMac wasn't interested.

That's because neither team would trade Necas for EP right now.

EP has way more risk. They'll get a good return, but not a return for a 100 point 1C.

 

[Agent007]

Sportsnet panel spoke about intriguing fits for JT Miller and Friedman mentioned Colorado and also mentioned he thinks he gets traded but added JT wants to go East but you never know how things can change when something is presented. Pierre Lebrun mentioned he thinks JT would waive for Dallas which could mean Colorado is a possibility.

Assuming there's interest what kind of deal would make sense for the Avs and how untouchable would Calum Ritchie be?

 

[dahrougem2]

Sportsnet panel spoke about intriguing fits for JT Miller and Friedman mentioned Colorado and also mentioned he thinks he gets traded but added JT wants to go East but you never know how things can change when something is presented. Pierre Lebrun mentioned he thinks JT would waive for Dallas which could mean Colorado is a possibility.

Assuming there's interest what kind of deal would make sense for the Avs and how untouchable would Calum Ritchie be?

I don't want anything to do with J.T. Miller. None whatsoever.

If we're talking Elias Pettersson, I'm all ears.

 

[shadow1]

Sportsnet panel spoke about intriguing fits for JT Miller and Friedman mentioned Colorado and also mentioned he thinks he gets traded but added JT wants to go East but you never know how things can change when something is presented. Pierre Lebrun mentioned he thinks JT would waive for Dallas which could mean Colorado is a possibility.

Assuming there's interest what kind of deal would make sense for the Avs and how untouchable would Calum Ritchie be?

MacFarland has talked up Ritchie a lot, so my impression is they don't want to move him.

However, if they're adding a center with 5 years left to play behind MacKinnon (6 years left), all bets are off. The team has traded Byram and Rantanen in the last 10 months, so I'm not putting any money on who they will/won't move.

 

[Iceberg]

That's because neither team would trade Necas for EP right now.

EP has way more risk. They'll get a good return, but not a return for a 100 point 1C.

I don't believe that was the case, Carolina was willing to do it, they just took Rantanen instead.

CMac on the other probably don't want anything to do with EP.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I don't believe that was the case, Carolina was willing to do it, they just took Rantanen instead.

CMac on the other probably don't want anything to do with EP.

That isn't what's been reported.

 

[Balthazar]

This is what was reported:

 

[GeoRox89]

Does anyone remember saad taking shots at colorado when he left or am I just tripping? I vaguely remember him saying something, just want confirmation

I vaguely remember him insinuating we had a leadership/culture issue and essentially didn’t have the same will or wherewithal to win like the Hawks. Not many teams do have the same compete as a group that won 3 Cups though

I do also remember it being reported that after game 6 some of the Blues came to the outside of the dressing room to congratulate the guys on finally making the WCF. The names reported at the time were Brayden Schenn, Saad and Leddy. There must’ve been some good will/friendships there for him to do that

 

[dahrougem2]

This is what was reported:

Jesus lmao Kotkaniemi and a 1st? Do they bend Allvin and Rutherford over at the same time, too?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I feel like we could use our cap more effectively doing anything other than signing Saad, regardless of cap hit

 

[dahrougem2]

I vaguely remember him insinuating we had a leadership/culture issue and essentially didn’t have the same will or wherewithal to win like the Hawks. Not many teams do have the same compete as a group that won 3 Cups though

I do also remember it being reported that after game 6 some of the Blues came to the outside of the dressing room to congratulate the guys on finally making the WCF. The names reported at the time were Brayden Schenn, Saad and Leddy. There must’ve been some good will/friendships there for him to do that

Man, if the Blues weren't still trying to make the playoffs I bet Brayden Schenn would fit in this locker room like a glove.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Man, if the Blues weren't still trying to make the playoffs I bet Brayden Schenn would fit in this locker room like a glove.

Is Schenn even good anymore...?

 

[Freaky Styley]

Agree with a lot of this, but I'm torn on Kadri.

I've had thoughts often about the Avs bringing him back this year. They know he fits the team well, his speed up the middle fits them well especially, he's a goal scorer, he's good in the bumper on the PP, and he brings that swagger they've been missing with him and Bo.

They've likely missed out on the three best years of that contract though.

He turns 35 at the start of next year. Maybe he still has gas left in the tank to be a good 2C on a contender this year, but at that age, the big drop off can come at any season. Usually comes around 35.

They may only get one good run out of him.

Like you say, if they move on from Mitts, IMO they should target someone who's a good bet to be the 2C they need for the duration of Mitts contract, the next two years.

Naz should be an option, but I'm not sure if he should be Plan A. Problem is, a lot of the other obvious options have issues as well. This is exactly when we need CMac to pull another rabbit out of the hat.

He's mainly plan A because of the fit, the personality/leadership, and because he could come with Andersson.

Not really any other team that has a top 4D and 2C available, or even a bottom pair RHD and C. But you're right, the age is a concern and ultimately a huge factor why he they didn't sign him.

They unfortunate part is that both plan A and B have big '?' associate with them - do the Flames not sell and just look at making the playoffs? Do the Hawks agree to retain on Jones?

Ultimately it's probably best to prepare for disappointment. CMac will do something but it's probably closer to what Richard outlined with Bjorkstrand & Kovacevic (although I still don't think NJ moves him, that's just a fan trying to get asset value).

If Jones happened, I could see them trying to get Kurashev and/or Dickinson coming with. Maybe from he Flames they get Coleman instead, and Gourde from the Kraken for a TB reunion, but then there's very little $$ for D. As you said, nothing is straight forward.

It's too bad Miller is such an ass cause he'd be the perfect option theoretically.

If I have to guess, we overpay for Nelson, I don't think we'd sign him so I wouldn't want to go that route but maybe we can get him to agree to a decent deal. Then the question would be who do we target on D? Nelson retained + Jones is maybe the best option.

Ritchie
2nd

for

Nelson @ 50%


Mitts
Wood
Pick/prospect

for

Jones ~ 7M
Kurashev


+ another LHD

not even sure what that cap looks like, but:

Dru - Mack - Nuke
Lehks - Nelson - Necas
Kurashev - Drury - LOC
Colton - Parssinen - Kivi
Kelly

Toews - Makar
G - Jones
LHD - Manson