Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Pokecheque]

Wow...the drama never ceases in Vancouver. That is just crazy.

 

[CobraAcesS]

"If we were going to completely start over that means Quinn goes."

Holy shit

Rutherford said, "If we were going to completely start over that means he goes, and we’d like to figure out a way that he’s here forever.”

 

[Balthazar]

Wow...the drama never ceases in Vancouver. That is just crazy.

Holy shit

Rutherford said, "If we were going to completely start over that means he goes, and we’d like to figure out a way that he’s here forever.”

Maybe I don't read this correctly but to me it sounds like "no, we're not going to completely start over because we want to keep him forever"

 

[forsbergavs32]

Is there even a way to bring in EP40 realistically cap-wise?

 

[dahrougem2]

Maybe I don't read this correctly but to me it sounds like "no, we're not going to completely start over because we want to keep him forever"

To me it read like "we don't want to rebuild but if these potential trades make us worse we might have to trade Quinn and start over."

Who knows. But I want chaos. And not the Myers version

 

[Balthazar]

Is there even a way to bring in EP40 realistically cap-wise?

If they take Mitts + one of Manson or Colton.

It would be real tough to convince Manson or Colton to accept the trade though.

 

[LOFIN]

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Vancouver is the prime example why the Avs makes sure they get guys that fit in the locker room. They thought 4giev would work out and it backfired. I very much doubt htey do something like that again. They will keep bring good character guys as long as Sakic and CMac are in charge.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Maybe I don't read this correctly but to me it sounds like "no, we're not going to completely start over because we want to keep him forever"

I take it as they're going to try to retool as quickly as possible in order to keep him.

 

[CobraAcesS]

If they take Mitts + one of Manson or Colton.

It would be real tough to convince Manson or Colton to accept the trade though.

I feel like you could squeeze it in with Wood.

5.75 + 2.5 + the 5 we currently have with Landy on LTIR

13.25, some room to backfill Woods spot, and add a bottom pair D.

Landy is 100% not coming back in season though unless someone else goes down like Nuke.

 

[cinchronicity]

Does this imply that both JTM and EP40 have elite AE/60?

 

[hockeyfish]

 

[Richard88]

Assuming CMac is looking to add two Dmen by the TDL, and that Kylington and Malinski would be the ones coming off the roster to make room (either by demotion or trade), that leaves the roster below and $7.499m in capspace to use towards two Dmen to have a 22 man roster (13F/7D).

Say for example that one of the two Dmen acquired would be Dumoulin @50% ($1.575m), acquired using one of the two 2025 2nd round picks. That still leaves plenty of tradable assets and $5.924m to allocate towards a RHD.

With Manson aging and hitting UFA in 2026 one would think that CMac will have an eye on the future and try to get a solid 2nd pairing type of RHD with some term (or at least team control) if he can.

That being the case it's easy to see why Jones would be of interest, though he'd have to come in at closer to $6-6.5m to make it work without sending money back.

Capwise the one that makes the most sense on this scenario is Rasmus Andersson at $4.55m X2. Adding Dumoulin at 50% and Andersson at full value would still leave $1.374m to put towards a 23rd roster player, like another depth forward for instance. Andersson would also have an extra year of term that would align with Manson hitting UFA, which makes it easy to use Manson's money to re-sign Rasmus.

In an ideal world the RHD replacing Manson long-term would be someone a bit bigger and more physical though, so we circle back to Jones again. Honestly just find a way to acquire Jones with some retention, he ticks all the boxes.

 

[BobRossColton]

I feel like you could squeeze it in with Wood.

5.75 + 2.5 + the 5 we currently have with Landy on LTIR

13.25, some room to backfill Woods spot, and add a bottom pair D.

Landy is 100% not coming back in season though unless someone else goes down like Nuke.

Perfect opportunity to bring up prishchepov..

 

[Pokecheque]

I feel like you could squeeze it in with Wood.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Assuming CMac is looking to add two Dmen by the TDL, and that Kylington and Malinski would be the ones coming off the roster to make room (either by demotion or trade), that leaves the roster below and $7.499m in capspace to use towards two Dmen to have a 22 man roster (13F/7D).

Say for example that one of the two Dmen acquired would be Dumoulin @50% ($1.575m), acquired using one of the two 2025 2nd round picks. That still leaves plenty of tradable assets and $5.924m to allocate towards a RHD.

With Manson aging and hitting UFA in 2026 one would think that CMac will have an eye on the future and try to get a solid 2nd pairing type of RHD with some term (or at least team control) if he can.

That being the case it's easy to see why Jones would be of interest, though he'd have to come in at closer to $6-6.5m to make it work without sending money back.

Capwise the one that makes the most sense on this scenario is Rasmus Andersson at $4.55m X2. Adding Dumoulin at 50% and Andersson at full value would still leave $1.374m to put towards a 23rd roster player, like another depth forward for instance. Andersson would also have an extra year of term that would align with Manson hitting UFA, which makes it easy to use Manson's money to re-sign Rasmus.

In an ideal world the RHD replacing Manson long-term would be someone a bit bigger and more physical though, so we circle back to Jones again. Honestly just find a way to acquire Jones with some retention, he ticks all the boxes.

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I still love this idea the best if you're going all in on the defense. Move Wood, and you get that little bit of extra flexibility needed to have him at 7M.

If Mitts shows out this week. I'd personally push the envelope for Jones with as much retention as you can squeeze out of them.

Wood, Richie, 1st 26, 2nd whstevs just get it done.

Edit.. move Manson and Colton in the off-season if needed to recoup assets.

 

[Richard88]

Mmmm ok, yeah I'd take that shot lol. It would be extremely difficult to upgrade the defense in a significant way adding JTM or Petterson unless both Nuke and Landeskog are out until the playoffs.

The difference in cap between JTM and Mittelstadt is only $2.25m, which would still leave plenty of space to upgrade the D group as well, though it would probably have to be two bottom pairing sort of guys rather than a top 4 guy + 1 bottom pair guy.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Fishy fishy couldn't resist the bait lol.

 

[CobraAcesS]

The difference in cap between JTM and Mittelstadt is only $2.25m, which would still leave plenty of space to upgrade the D group as well, though it would probably have to be two bottom pairing sort of guys rather than a top 4 guy + 1 bottom pair guy.

Yeah, I just am not sure they're going to bring that guy in here.

EP I could see stretching for.

It's possible though.

If Mitts turn is legit, I think Mitts + Jones is better than EP + Doumolin though.

Plus rainbow chance of Mitts for Crosby at 50% still.

I love the idea of having Jones on the roster for Makar injuries, and reducing his minutes significantly.

 

[Miri]

11M is not 14M, and it's a center

Its 11,6 i think and i doubt Mikko was truly after 14 and would not budge on that - today i read an article claiming he said he was willing to accept substantial discount - whatever that means. But i think the same number as MacK was doable compromise, which is what 12,6? So one million over Pettersson.

Not sure the center position is that important, as we already have second line center in Mittelstadt and Mikko is arguably better player than Pettersson.

 

[Richard88]

Thats given.
I would be really curious how some people here would react to such trade, after looking to trade Mikko away for so long, because "depth". And then getting EP40 for similar money.

We know the Avs were prepared to pay Rantanen $11.75m AAV.

Rantanen $11.75m + Mittelstadt $5.75m = $17.5m

Pettersson $11.6m + Necas $6.5 = $18.1m

A difference of $600k.

With Pettersson and Necas you have the younger duo with more spent of the center, albeit a year less term on Necas' deal compared to Mittelstadt. The 2nd option is a no brainer imo.

 

[Richard88]

I absolutely can if they like the Avs package best.

If they are moving Miller AND Pettersson, and Boeser is a strong candidate to be moved by the TDL as well, they are probably signalling a rebuild. No sense in not sending a player in-conference when you won't be competing.

Rutherford mentioned wanting a center in return.

If the Avs target Pettersson then Mittelstadt obviously goes the other way, and with Mackinnon-Pettersson down the middle they could afford to also include Ritchie.

For Vancouver that gets them a short-term top 6 C (Mittelstadt) as well as a long term C (Ritchie).

Not sure if Mittelstadt+ Ritchie would be enough quality-wise as a base, but at least positionally it makes sense for Vancouver given JR's stated goal of acquiring C's in return.

 

[Vaslof]

Thats given.
I would be really curious how some people here would react to such trade, after looking to trade Mikko away for so long, because "depth". And then getting EP40 for similar money.

We offered more to Rantanen than what Pettersson is making.

 

[CobraAcesS]

We know the Avs were prepared to pay Rantanen $11.75m AAV.

Rantanen $11.75m + Mittelstadt $5.75m = $17.5m

Pettersson $11.6m + Necas $6.5 = $18.1m

A difference of $600k.

With Pettersson and Necas you have the younger duo with more spent of the center, albeit a year less term on Necas' deal compared to Mittelstadt. The 2nd option is a no brainer imo.

EP, Makar, and Necas all 26. Mack is all old and shit at 29 lol.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Carolina is still gonna find a way to bring in Miller and really go for it.

They win the cup.

Mikko signs in Edmonton.

We vomit.