Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Pokecheque]

Colton is a bad contract?

Yes.

Nope, it was f***ing shit

Well third season was almost passable i guess.

Third season was fantastic.

First season was the worst Trek ever. Hands down. Worse than the recent Section 31 film and that’s saying something. Season two was still bad but much better than the first.

 

[The Merchant]

Get to work, CMac

 

[BobRossColton]

Trade out Manson, go get perbix as a ufa

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Pretty exciting situation to be in.

Yeah kind of.

Possibilities are endless but I'm not sure we have the extra assets to get what we need to get done, to get us back to being a legit contender.

Especially this year. Its part of the reason why I suggested a while ago to throw this season away, hold onto the assets we have and then come back out firing again in June/July.

Btw Colton isn't a bad contact at all. $4M is pretty reasonable value for what he brings especially as the cap goes up by $10M next year, that contract is going to look very enticing to other teams if we end up moving him.

He just isn't a good fit with the Avs. He's at his best on the Wing and the Avs have needed him to be a Center pretty much the entire time he's been here. I would additionally say some of his best attributes dont fit as well in the Avs style of play.

But his contract is fine and if the Avs moved him they'd get decent value back. Probably not quite what they paid(I believe it was pick #38 right), but should be able to get a later 2nd back for him.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Yep, and the thing is they have lots of space and not really a lot of roster spots to fill... Assuming they dont move any other roster guys out... For next year we're looking at:



Drouin - Mack - Necas
Lehky - Mitts - Nuke
Colton - Drury - LOC


Toews - Makar
G - Manson

Woods

As of right now, the entire Top 9F and Top 4D, and both 1 and 2 Goalies are signed. Drouin technically isn't but I guarantee he re-signs now and probably for like $3-3.5M...

That group above comes in at just $79.725M. That's gonna be over $15M in cap space for sure. Probably even more since at this point I'm expecting a cap of $97-98M rather then $95M. So maybe even $18M in space.

And again, that's without moving a single guy out. One obvious move they might make is to move Colton out, and drop Landy in his spot for next year. So that would ultimately be +$3M, but still leaves them with anywhere from $12-15M in space.

Suffice to say, they have real money right now to spend, if they wanted to upgrade on Mitts. They could easily drop $2M more to get a guy for $7.5-8M in that spot instead. If they wanted to upgrade on Manson, could easily spend $2-3M to upgrade that spot as well.


Like they could reasonably add Kadri and Jones if they wanted to. Or Miller and Jones. Or Brock Nelson. Or, they could be players in Free Agency. Target guys like Sam Bennett, Brock Boeser, Nik Ehlers, etc....

They could be big players on a few guys.

The thing to keep in mind is almost all teams will have a ton of cap space. Cap rising.

The Leafs, just for example, depending on what they do with Marner/Tavares and others, are looking at $30m of cap space alone.

The Canes will have a crazy amount of space, too.

Free agents are going to get PAID this summer.

Trades will still be the best route to go to get any value on contracts.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Colton + Wood + Malinski + NYR 2nd for Jones 25% retained ($2.375M)

Something like this as a base would be a great option for us. We have plenty of guys to replace Wood on the 4th line (Ivan/Prishcehpov/Polin, etc) and there's a good chance Landeskog is going to try to take Colton's spot regardless. Plus adding a 3rd line winger at the deadline usually doesn't cost too much and we've got the picks to spare.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yeah kind of.

Possibilities are endless but I'm not sure we have the extra assets to get what we need to get done, to get us back to being a legit contender.

Especially this year. Its part of the reason why I suggested a while ago to throw this season away, hold onto the assets we have and then come back out firing again in June/July.

Btw Colton isn't a bad contact at all. $4M is pretty reasonable value for what he brings especially as the cap goes up by $10M next year, that contract is going to look very enticing to other teams if we end up moving him.

He just isn't a good fit with the Avs. He's at his best on the Wing and the Avs have needed him to be a Center pretty much the entire time he's been here. I would additionally say some of his best attributes dont fit as well in the Avs style of play.

But his contract is fine and if the Avs moved him they'd get decent value back. Probably not quite what they paid(I believe it was pick #38 right), but should be able to get a later 2nd back for him.

Yeah, but if you can make that Jones move now you do it 100%.

The only real expensive rental move that possibly makes sense is Brock Nelson.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Something like this as a base would be a great option for us. We have plenty of guys to replace Wood on the 4th line (Ivan/Prishcehpov/Polin, etc) and there's a good chance Landeskog is going to try to take Colton's spot regardless. Plus adding a 3rd line winger at the deadline usually doesn't cost too much and we've got the picks to spare.

I don’t want any of those shitters getting ice-time in the playoffs.

Just my opinion.

 

[EdAVSfan]

This is why I think the Avs need to jump on Seth Jones. Denver kid with a full NMC and a contract that most teams would shy away from. He shouldn't be expensive at all. In fact at his full cap hit I think he'd cost the Hawks to move him. But with some retention we could send them some value.

I agree. He’s a great fit. Can log big minutes, rangy, can skate, etc. I described him as a taller Sam Girard earlier in the week.

I just think the cap rentention required is a monstrous hurdle. 5 years of retention is substantial. And it’s not like the Avs would need .5M to 1M retention. They likely would want minimum 2+M.

I’m not sure the Avs want to spend the assets necessary for that amount of cost.

 

[Freaky Styley]

I don’t want any of those shitters getting ice-time in the playoffs.

Just my opinion.

I wouldn't call Ivan a shitter at all, and they will be injury replacements if anything. Assuming Landeskog is a go:

Drouin - Mack - Nuke
Lehkonen - Mitts - Necas
Landeskog - Drury - LOC
Kelly - Parssinen - Kiviranta

And I'd assume they'd add another 3rd line guy (I.e. Gourde) at the deadline just for Landeskog insurance. Better than moving out Mitts for Jones

 

[CobraAcesS]

I agree. He’s a great fit. Can log big minutes, rangy, can skate, etc. I described him as a taller Sam Girard earlier in the week.

I just think the cap rentention required is a monstrous hurdle. 5 years of retention is substantial. And it’s not like the Avs would need .5M to 1M retention. They likely would want minimum 2+M.

I’m not sure the Avs want to spend the assets necessary for that amount of cost.

They should, anything not on this roster, and a few things on it should be on the table to get as much retention as possible.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The thing to keep in mind is almost all teams will have a ton of cap space. Cap rising.

The Leafs, just for example, depending on what they do with Marner/Tavares and others, are looking at $30m of cap space alone.

The Canes will have a crazy amount of space, too.

Free agents are going to get PAID this summer.

Trades will still be the best route to go to get any value on contracts.

Yeah true, trades are the way to go. But then that's also where I think the Avs run into the issue of not having the assets to get the trades done that they need to get done.


Ritchie is the one big prize they have. Otherwise, our prospect pool is pretty underwhelming, No 1st round pick this year, no 3rd round picks for the rest of time.


Guys like Colton, Mittelstadt, Manson will be of interest if available, but they wont be main pieces really either.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Something like this as a base would be a great option for us. We have plenty of guys to replace Wood on the 4th line (Ivan/Prishcehpov/Polin, etc) and there's a good chance Landeskog is going to try to take Colton's spot regardless. Plus adding a 3rd line winger at the deadline usually doesn't cost too much and we've got the picks to spare.

13/29/88
16/37/62
92/18/27
94/17/25
82/

7/8
49/3 (Jones)
44/42

39
41

 

[LTCPain75]

If Mittelstadt can figure his game out it would be nice to add a LHS goalscoring forward to the middle 6.

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Mittelstadt - Necas
Colton - Drury - xxxx
Wood - Kelly - O'Connor
Kiviranta/Parssinen

Or maybe if Necas shows that he can play 2C in Bednar's system you still add that LHS scoring forward:

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Necas - xxxx
Colton - Mittelstadt - O'Connor
Wood - Drury - Kelly
Kiviranta/Parssinen

Landeskog

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yeah true, trades are the way to go. But then that's also where I think the Avs run into the issue of not having the assets to get the trades done that they need to get done.


Ritchie is the one big prize they have. Otherwise, our prospect pool is pretty underwhelming, No 1st round pick this year, no 3rd round picks for the rest of time.


Guys like Colton, Mittelstadt, Manson will be of interest if available, but they wont be main pieces really either.

You don't go big game hunting in UFA. They should be able to get good deals for some depth pieces or vets though.

 

[Forceberg]

Landeskog

Today during the broadcast of the game against NYR, they said if Landeskog doesn't come back, they have a top favorite as the next captain.
So i think they're already worried if the comeback doesn't work out.
Could also mean nothing.

 

[Perratrooper]

I wouldn’t mind Jones if we could get him at $7m and unload some of our less favorable contracts (Wood). However that somewhat goes against what C-Mac said he was looking for in having better depth.

I think we see us add another middle 6 forward and a bottom pair defender.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I wouldn’t mind Jones if we could get him at $7m and unload some of our less favorable contracts (Wood). However that somewhat goes against what C-Mac said he was looking for in having better depth.

I think we see us add another middle 6 forward and a bottom pair defender.

That is better depth. It significantly upgrades both your second pairing, and your 3rd.

The ability to have significantly higher quality players in the middle of the lineup is the entire point.

 

[willy702]

Get to work, CMac

Does Seth Jones really keep that many more goals out of our own net? And really did CMac say something about we're making this deal because we are worried about one contract so we can bring in another contract that will give us heartburn?

I have a hard time seeing the Hawks retaining much on that deal with so many years left. What kind of assets would have you to give up to get 2m of retention for 4+ years?

 

[Perratrooper]

That is better depth. It significantly upgrades both your second pairing, and your 3rd.

The ability to have significantly higher quality players in the middle of the lineup is the entire point.

I think we send cap back a comparable cap to Chicago, so say that’s something like Wood+Manson, we’d be looking at a reduction to our forward depth at minimum.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I think we send cap back a comparable cap to Chicago, so say that’s something like Wood+Manson, we’d be looking at a reduction to our forward depth at minimum.

Nope, you keep Manson, but Wood? Yes

 

[Bensch88]

Do the Blackhawks have a retention spot left yes or no?

 

[Freaky Styley]

Does Seth Jones really keep that many more goals out of our own net?

Yes, because it also pushes Manson down. Have you seen our 3rd pair lately?

Seth Jones ~7M is not a headache contract, especially in a rising cap. At full price that's a different story. He's capable of top pairing minutes and would be our #3. Our D would probably be the best in the league.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Do the Blackhawks have a retention spot left yes or no?

Yes

 

[CobraAcesS]

Do the Blackhawks have a retention spot left yes or no?

One