Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Heyduke]

I have a hard time seeing Mack and JTM getting along.

I mean, maybe, but I think Mack wants to win more than he wants to make pals.

You could have said the same thing about Kadri, too, with the reputation he had in Toronto. And they traded Mack's best friend to get him. Worked out fine.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Nope

Salvation lies within

We should get a depth defenseman. But I'm fine with our forward group, provided we actually get everyone healthy by the playoffs. Includes Landeskog.

Yeah, that's a tall order, I know.

I'd like an actual 3C and the best depth D possible, or full Nelson to push Mitts down even if you keep Mitts, and make him do line rushes all off season.

 

[Foppa2118]

I'm nearly convinced Jones is coming here. Just too much smoke.

Kypreos said earlier in the year the Avs know the defenseman they'll target, and are willing to overpay. Sounds a lot like a Jones trade.

Also, can't see what other deals would cause their GM to travel away from the team to meet with CMac in Denver.

From the radio transcribed by @RoyIsALegend

Kyper was asked if the Avs are done: "You'd think so, but not what I'm hearing. They want a defenseman and, just like the two goalies, they won't wait until the deadline to make a move. They're willing to overpay a bit to get who they want and when they want, this team isn't waiting to see how things shake out by the deadline. They want to plug their holes and get on a heater right now, not in February or March."

 

[LOFIN]

 

[LOFIN]

Proof please, as far as Mikko's training camp stats.

I don't think anything involving Mikko is very realistic either, but it's the shit sandwich on the table we're all discussing.

If you expect some data about it, I have none to give you. There have just been some articles about Rantanen in Finnish newspapers, where this has been stated. And I have no reason to believe that whoever relayed that info (be it Rantanen, Lehkonen, Parkkila, or whoever) would be lying.

I think Rantanen plays a very non-engaging looking style of a game, which is frustrating to watch when the Avs style is so much about speed and pace. Especially when the face of the franchise is MacKinnon. But I think the words "lazy" or "not interested" are disingenuous to describe Rantanen.

 

[Foppa2118]

"It's only a matter of time". It has been a full f***ing calendar year of a slump for EP40. There is something wrong with that guy, and it's not just JT Miller. He's only having a slightly better year than Mittelstadt, what does that tell you when we all know how bad Mitts has sucked this year?

Would I trade Mikko for EP40, if they can't re-sign Mikko to a reasonable deal, and EP40 was available and it would just cost Mikko and some other asset? Yes. Would I trade Mikko for EP40 if Mikko is willing to re-sign for less than MacKinnon? f*** no. Never.

Yeah, I feel similar to EP as I did with Mitts last year. Look at his track record of production. It's not what it was in the two outlier years recently.

He's a 70-80 point guy just like Miller. They produce at very similar rates, but EP is more expensive, and soft.

He's more talented than Mitts, but they're both soft, and they both have misleading point totals recently.

I believe people were pointing out Mitts underlying numbers last year as well. Analytics are misleading all the time, if you just look at them in a vacuum.

A 70-80 point 2C would be just fine for this team to help them win a Cup, and EP might even be a good fit for a Bednar team, but not at $11.6M, and I don't see Vancouver trading with Colorado anyway.

 

[LOFIN]

God this Vancouver drama is awesome

 

[Foppa2118]

If you expect some data about it, I have none to give you. There have just been some articles about Rantanen in Finnish newspapers, where this has been stated. And I have no reason to believe that whoever relayed that info (be it Rantanen, Lehkonen, Parkkila, or whoever) would be lying.

I think Rantanen plays a very non-engaging looking style of a game, which is frustrating to watch when the Avs style is so much about speed and pace. Especially when the face of the franchise is MacKinnon. But I think the words "lazy" or "not interested" are disingenuous to describe Rantanen.

I feel the same. I think Mikko cares and works hard most of the time. Big forwards get unfairly labeled as lazy all the time IMO.

I think it's mostly just optics, and stems from how much energy is required to move a big body like that, skate at NHL pace, and battle physically. I think they often develop a style that allows them to play that way at that size, and sometimes it looks like they're not engaged, when they are.

Just think about how difficult it would be for a guy as big as Mikko to play like Lehky. That's what makes Val so special, and he may (speculation) need some "assistance" to do it consistently, and I'm not just talking about the nose candy. He's absolutely jacked with a pretty low body fat percentage. Hard to do.

 

[LOFIN]

I feel the same. I think Mikko cares and works hard most of the time. Big forwards get unfairly labeled as lazy all the time IMO.

I think it's mostly just optics, and stems from how much energy is required to move a big body like that, skate at NHL pace, and battle physically. I think they often develop a style that allows them to play that way at that size, and sometimes it looks like they're not engaged, when they are.

Just think about how difficult it would be for a guy as big as Mikko to play like Lehky. That's what makes Val so special, and he may (speculation) need some "assistance" to do it consistently, and I'm not just talking about the nose candy. He's absolutely jacked with a pretty low body fat percentage. Hard to do.

I don't think it comes down to physique, just the style of play. And it gets compounded when he's compared to MacKinnon, who plays a very busy, aggressive and engaged game. There are many people (including me and I can imagine a lot of people here because we are Avs fans) that think MacKinnon is a more entertaining player than McDavid. Just look at their skating. McDavid is the best skater in the league, but he does it more effortlessly. MacKinnon is just so aggressive with his skating, it looks very impressive.

I think it's sometimes a bit unfair to compare Mikko's intensity to MacKinnon's, because no-one in this league is like MacKinnon.

 

[Foppa2118]

I don't think it comes down to physique, just the style of play. And it gets compounded when he's compared to MacKinnon, who plays a very busy, aggressive and engaged game. There are many people (including me and I can imagine a lot of people here because we are Avs fans) that think MacKinnon is a more entertaining player than McDavid. Just look at their skating. McDavid is the best skater in the league, but he does it more effortlessly. MacKinnon is just so aggressive with his skating, it looks very impressive.

I think it's sometimes a bit unfair to compare Mikko's intensity to MacKinnon's, because no-one in this league is like MacKinnon.

I agree, but I think that style of play, stems from his physique. Big forwards get accused of being lazy all the time for the same reason IMO.

Very few people that size, who have the talent to play in the NHL, also have the engine to skate at NHL pace (especially today's NHL and especially on Bednar's teams) and also play an aggressive style every game. It's a lot to ask.

Many find ways to conserve their energy while reading the play, and use it in spurts, so they can still move their big bodies at NHL pace the rest of the shift and game, without burning out later in the year before the playoffs.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Kypreos said earlier in the year the Avs know the defenseman they'll target, and are willing to overpay. Sounds a lot like a Jones trade.

Also, can't see what other deals would cause their GM to travel away from the team to meet with CMac in Denver.

From the radio transcribed by @RoyIsALegend

Kyper was asked if the Avs are done: "You'd think so, but not what I'm hearing. They want a defenseman and, just like the two goalies, they won't wait until the deadline to make a move. They're willing to overpay a bit to get who they want and when they want, this team isn't waiting to see how things shake out by the deadline. They want to plug their holes and get on a heater right now, not in February or March."

Considering if the deal happens Jones AAV has to fit long term I'm on board.

There isn't really anything in the cabinet I'd be that heartbroken to lose if they’re retaining about 3M.

Jones can also actually step in for stretches if Makar is injured, and legitimately can take 5v5 minutes and PK minutes off his plate.

Where I can see a 3rd team maybe is due to Jones cash vs AAV.

35% is 3.325M AAV

It's

5.5 / 1.925
7 / 2.45
2.5 / .875
2.5 / .875
2.5 / .875

Assuming my 3rd grade math is correct. Those last three years are valuable at 3.3M AAV if it's a budget team. If the cap is rising, the cap floor will be too. I don't know if any team's are still operating that way though. Capfriendly is dead..

 

[Foppa2118]

Am I the only one who wouldn’t want either of JTM or Petey?

I think Miller is an unnecessarily intense and argumentative asshole and I think EP is a soft ass p***y.

Am I alone on this?

I think it's very unlikely Vancouver and Colorado trade with each other, but here's something I don't think I've seen mentioned.

What if Nate and JTM actually bring out the best in each other, because they're both so intense, and willing to call out teammates?

JTM gets accused of not always backing up his talk, so maybe Nate calls him out so bad that JTM starts backing it up with his play, and maybe when Nate occasionally gets in a bit of a moody slump, JTM calls him out, which pisses off Nate, and he starts dominating again?

I actually think there's a decent possibility of things playing out that way. May or may not be sustainable for multiple seasons, but it could help them win another Cup in the short term.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I think it's very unlikely Vancouver and Colorado trade with each other, but here's something I don't think I've seen mentioned.

What if Nate and JTM actually bring out the best in each other, because they're both so intense, and willing to call out teammates?

JTM gets accused of not always backing up his talk, so maybe Nate calls him out so bad that JTM starts backing it up with his play, and maybe when Nate occasionally gets in a bit of a moody slump, JTM calls him out, which pisses off Nate, and he starts dominating again?

I actually think there's a decent possibility of things playing out that way. May or may not be sustainable for multiple seasons, but it could help them win another Cup in the short term.

Anything is possible really. Firey people can sometimes take the heat well, or enjoy they don't need to say anything because someone else is.

 

[Foppa2118]

Mitts for Byram who says no?

Been thinking this lately as well.

Almost unheard of, and probably wouldn't happen, but CMac seems willing to admit his mistakes with follow up moves, and Buffalo needs a center, and didn't want to trade Mitts. Played his best hockey there, was well liked by fans, and has close friends on the team. Think trade negotiations were a big reason for the trade and that's no longer an issue.

Then CMac can make the kind of move for 2C he should have made last year.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I think it's very unlikely Vancouver and Colorado trade with each other, but here's something I don't think I've seen mentioned.

What if Nate and JTM actually bring out the best in each other, because they're both so intense, and willing to call out teammates?

JTM gets accused of not always backing up his talk, so maybe Nate calls him out so bad that JTM starts backing it up with his play, and maybe when Nate occasionally gets in a bit of a moody slump, JTM calls him out, which pisses off Nate, and he starts dominating again?

I actually think there's a decent possibility of things playing out that way. May or may not be sustainable for multiple seasons, but it could help them win another Cup in the short term.

What’s more likely is we become the 4th team trying to dump him due to dressing room conflicts.

 

[Vaslof]

He has been unlucky for a full calendar year. That just doesn't happen.

I don't give a shit what the advanced stats say. If you are the #5 highest paid player in the league, and producing like that, it's simply unacceptable. Mittelstadt is playing great in comparison when looking at production and comparing the caphit.

If you want to just call him "unlucky", go ahead. If he's that unlucky, I don't want him.

There aren't many players producing more reliably than Pettersson say over the last 5 years. I don't think we can expect anyone better than him from a Rants trade.

 

[Foppa2118]

What’s more likely is we become the 4th team trying to dump him due to dressing room conflicts.

In a couple years though after another Cup or two maybe.

 

[Avs9296]

What’s more likely is we become the 4th team trying to dump him due to dressing room conflicts.

My question is why do the Rangers want him back if they know what he's all about?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Seth jones and Taylor hall scratched tonight

 

[dahrougem2]

Seth jones and Taylor hall scratched tonight

Oh f*** me sideways

 

[RoyIsALegend]

My question is why do the Rangers want him back if they know what he's all about?

Because the Rangers are a f***ing mess and a magnet for miserable assholes.

Seth jones and Taylor hall scratched tonight

 

[Mrfenn92]

Apologies boys for posting on HF avs

 

[dahrougem2]

It'd be the most Avs thing ever if Jones and Hall went to Dallas both 50% retained while we acquired Donato for Ivan lmao

 

[Avsfan1921]

There aren't many players producing more reliably than Pettersson say over the last 5 years. I don't think we can expect anyone better than him from a Rants trade.

Absolutely agree. Even if we don’t want the player, I think most here realize from a pure talent perspective we shouldn’t be expecting someone of that caliber. Especially one signed with term.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Holy shit.