Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

I still don't think it was a lack of physical effort. I haven't played in a long, long time, and even back then I was nothing close to a star, but I know what it was like to be going through the motions and it not working no matter how hard I tried because I wasn't mentally checked in.

I feel like that's been the problem, just a mix of shattered confidence and a guy who was totally overthinking things (still also convinced injury played a part too). Hopefully we'll see better going forward.
I agree with this as well. I don't think I ever felt that he was truly floating out there, but he went into puck battles almost with the body language that he was sure he was going to lose the battle. Just a lot more apprehension and delay to his game that we didn't really see when he was playing with confidence. I'd still love it if they could find a smart shooter to pair with him to really take advantage of some of the openings he creates.
 
I agree with this as well. I don't think I ever felt that he was truly floating out there, but he went into puck battles almost with the body language that he was sure he was going to lose the battle. Just a lot more apprehension and delay to his game that we didn't really see when he was playing with confidence. I'd still love it if they could find a smart shooter to pair with him to really take advantage of some of the openings he creates.

My theory about him running out of gas is not a referendum on his effort level. I'd just like to point that out. It's more about his overall conditioning contributing to hitting a wall.

Parssinen's shot looks legit. Hopefully more of that lol, and Mitts does have the only guy with 20 goals on his line now.
 
My theory about him running out of gas is not a referendum on his effort level. I'd just like to point that out. It's more about his overall conditioning contributing to hitting a wall.

Parssinen's shot looks legit. Hopefully more of that lol, and Mitts does have the only guy with 20 goals on his line now.
I still don't agree with that. I don't think he suddenly ran outta gas in early November.

We'll see about Parssinen, but last game was encouraging for sure. Just glad we're done with Colton in the top six, he's gone ice cold since returning from injury.
 
I still don't agree with that. I don't think he suddenly ran outta gas in early November.

We'll see about Parssinen, but last game was encouraging for sure. Just glad we're done with Colton in the top six, he's gone ice cold since returning from injury.
I think Parssinen skates and handles the puck better than Colton.

If he can find some level of consistency it'll be a huge W for the Avs
 
I still don't agree with that. I don't think he suddenly ran outta gas in early November.

We'll see about Parssinen, but last game was encouraging for sure. Just glad we're done with Colton in the top six, he's gone ice cold since returning from injury.

I get it, but fatigue, like sleep deprivation is a bit voodoo in how it effects you.

I'll certainly admit it could be mental, or injury related, or both, or all three.
 
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Rutherford basically acknowledging that this Vancouver core is going to be reshaped. Not like we didn't know, but how often does management actually come out and say stuff like this?
In the past, he has always felt like he could find a solution to any tricky situation, Rutherford told The Globe and Mail during an interview on Monday, “and I felt like for a long time that there was a solution here because everybody has worked on it, including the parties involved.”

“But it only gets resolved for a short period of time and then it festers again and so it certainly appears like there’s not a good solution that would keep this group together.”

Of course, personality differences exist in every NHL dressing room. For as long as the league has existed, there have been situations where players haven’t liked one another. You would think that in this case, an alpha male who likes to push his weight around like Miller, 31, and a more sensitive and soft-spoken player like Pettersson, 26, could put their differences aside for the good of the team. But apparently not.

“We’ve had those conversations and I think the parties understand that and I think they’ve tried,” Rutherford told me. “As you know, sometimes emotions get deep and as much as people try sometimes you can’t get over it. It certainly appears that’s what’s going on here.”

“We’re talking about two of our top players,” Rutherford said. “Certainly, our two best forwards. It can really be tough on a franchise – not only present but into the future – when you’re planning on peaking this team into a contending team and then you find out that’s not going to happen. Or at least it’s not going to happen with the group we have now. Then you have to put together a new plan.”

“When you don’t have chemistry, it’s hard to be that consistent team because there’s too much going on in the room for everybody to concentrate on what they’re supposed to do,” Rutherford said.

I asked Rutherford if he means the Miller-Pettersson drama has impacted the entire team.

“Yes, yup,” he said.


Rutherford and his general manager, Patrik Allvin, are uncertain if removing one of either Pettersson or Miller will fix the problem. “We don’t know,” Rutherford said. “We’ll just have to wait to find out. We’ll have to take it a step at a time. If we try and do it too fast, that’s really when you can make some mistakes.”

“If we were going to completely start over that means [Hughes] goes,” Rutherford told the Globe. “And we’d like to figure out a way that he’s here forever.”

“We’ll have to do the best we can in trades,” Rutherford said. “Whatever assets you get in return, you may turn them into something else. And we have to work our way back into being a contending team.”

“So yeah, if a centre goes out of here we have to get some kind of centre back but it’s not going to be the same as the centre going out. It might not even be a No. 2 centre, but you’d have to do the best with what we have until we figure out how to fill that spot back in.

“And then, of course, you have to get extra things [in any trade] that you can either use in the future to flip for NHL players now or for other positions or things like that.”
 
Rutherford basically acknowledging that this Vancouver core is going to be reshaped. Not like we didn't know, but how often does management actually come out and say stuff like this?

I mean, I think there’s no question that a Mitts-JTM swap is there if the Avs want it.

Rutherford alludes to a 2C or even 3C return.
 
Watch it be Cozens and Byram (or Power) for EP40.
could be. I don’t know enough about that locker room. I know that QHughes is the guy Vancouver covets the most. So I’d assume they’ll keep the guy who he favors more. Is he more team JTM or team EP40?
 
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I mean, I think there’s no question that a Mitts-JTM swap is there if the Avs want it.

Rutherford alludes to a 2C or even 3C return.

Their fans expect us to flip Necas though.






I couldn't resist lol. Dumb assess. I don't think the Avs know if that's a trade they want to make yet. Especially with our defense seemingly being the more glaring need lately.
 
could be. I don’t know enough about that locker room. I know that QHughes is the guy Vancouver covets the most. So I’d assume they’ll keep the guy who he favors more. Is he more team JTM or team EP40?
I can't imagine anyone other than Tocchet is "Team JTM." And even Tocchet is souring on him.
 
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That is just such a bizarre interview to give. It's not a secret that Canucks have been trying to move either of these guys, but that still just gives other teams more conviction to try and short-change them because they admit we have to make a move.

Canucks finally win 2 games in a row for the first time in like 2 months, and then this interview comes out the next day lol. Nice way to pour gasoline into the firepit that had shrunk a few percent. Imagine Tocchet and the players thinking how nice it could be doing a practice day media availability today or tomorrow, finally some positivity! And then all the media is going be asking about is their reaction to this article.
 
Man, if you could do Pettersson for Mittelstadt + Colton + Ritchie, I'd be on cloud nine.

Mmmm ok, yeah I'd take that shot lol. It would be extremely difficult to upgrade the defense in a significant way adding JTM or Petterson unless both Nuke and Landeskog are out until the playoffs.
 
Their fans expect us to flip Necas though.






I couldn't resist lol. Dumb assess. I don't think the Avs know if that's a trade they want to make yet. Especially with our defense seemingly being the more glaring need lately.
Sure, but I think any Mitts trade is to exchange Centers. I’m not sure how much more they would want if anything. JTM has a full NMC. He says where he goes.

I think the Avs have enough small ammo for bottom pairing dmen.
 
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Sure, but I think any Mitts trade is to exchange Centers. I’m not sure how much more they would want if anything. JTM has a full NMC. He says where he goes.

I think the Avs have enough small ammo for bottom pairing dmen.

Yeah if you count up the ammo with Mitts there is enough. It's obviously cap that's the issue in both moves, and Colton's NTC.

If I had to choose in this moment between adding Jones at like 7M, or JTM at 8, right now. I'd choose Jones.

My answer might change at the end of this week if Mitts doesn't sustain his play though.
 
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Mmmm ok, yeah I'd take that shot lol. It would be extremely difficult to upgrade the defense in a significant way adding JTM or Petterson unless both Nuke and Landeskog are out until the playoffs.
Hey, you make that deal and the money we saved from the Mikko deal, it ends up being pretty close to even. All I know is:

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Pettersson - Necas

Might be just as good as

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Kadri - Rantanen
 
Hey, you make that deal and the money we saved from the Mikko deal, it ends up being pretty close to even. All I know is:

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Pettersson - Necas

Might be just as good as

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Kadri - Rantanen

I don't know if Petty is as good as Kadri was that year and in the playoffs, but I see your point.

I can't help but think about the point that Petterson working out could legitimately extend our window.

Necas and Petterson are younger than our core. Actually closer to Makar's age.
 
That is just such a bizarre interview to give. It's not a secret that Canucks have been trying to move either of these guys, but that still just gives other teams more conviction to try and short-change them because they admit we have to make a move.

Canucks finally win 2 games in a row for the first time in like 2 months, and then this interview comes out the next day lol. Nice way to pour gasoline into the firepit that had shrunk a few percent. Imagine Tocchet and the players thinking how nice it could be doing a practice day media availability today or tomorrow, finally some positivity! And then all the media is going be asking about is their reaction to this article.
It's utterly baffling, isn't it? Finally getting a little momentum, everybody (including fans) maybe feeling a little better, and then along comes Rutherford to wipe all of that out. Based on how publicly this drama has unfolded in Vancouver Rutherford seems to have no idea what he's doing. Reminds me a lot of the 1.5 years of public Duchene drama before he was finally moved.

It also begs the question of what on earth Vancouver was thinking signing Pettersson and Miller to those contracts if apparently they've been on/off despising each other for some time.

It also adds a pretty clear red flag next to each of their names if they're both so jointly unprofessional that their own President is coming out and acknowledging they can't work together.
 
I don't know if Petty is as good as Kadri was that year and in the playoffs, but I see your point.

I can't help but think about the point that Petterson working out could legitimately extend our window.

Necas and Petterson are younger than our core. Actually closer to Makar's age.
Petterson at his best is better than Kadri in the cup year. 102pts and top 10 in Selke voting. I don't think we can swing EP trade realistically this season, but he's the obvious C target from VAN imo.
 
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It also adds a pretty clear red flag next to each of their names if they're both so jointly unprofessional that their own President is coming out and acknowledging they can't work together.
At this point, I wonder if the reason for all this something very private. Because they did play well together last season before the spring, the Petey started to slump. And if they can't work out their differences despite trying, it has to be something more than just an issue with the style of play, work habits etc.

Someone f***ed someone else's GF/wife.
 
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Mitts just has to play and compete harder. We don’t necessarily need a PPG 2C. Right now Mitts is on 50 point pace I believe, that’s not great but it’s not terrible either, it’s just that we can’t have a 2C taking days off and not competing, specially in the playoffs
The issue isn’t our 2C taking days off.

The issue is our 2C taking months off.
 
Mitts' lack of production has been a huge concern except for the past 6 games as others have mentioned. It was becoming a pretty big sample size but for me the most concerning was the rest of his game. He went to winning all battles to literally losing every single one of them. He could no longer make a simple pass let alone a great one. He was also losing the puck everywhere on the ice and he was not that great anymore defensively. If you have a slump, big or small, it's not as bad if you can still provide something with or without the puck. He was bringing absolutely nothing else.

With that said he has been much better lately so let's see if it actually turned around.
 
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