Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Tommy Shelby]

Imagine that it's just Ivan for a retained Donato lol what a letdown

 

[Balthazar]

Nuke has a full NMC, I highly doubt that he waives it to go to a last place team that won't be done with their rebuild before he hits 40.

Plus it wouldn't make sense that they are actively scouting the Avs when he's not playing if he's their guy

If the Hawks are aiming at someone I think it's Mitts. He doesn't have a NTC and that's one team that don't care about a high AAV, short term contract.

Sucks that Mitts was awful again yesterday in front of their GM.

 

[Bender]

Hawks mgmt are doing a lowsy job scouting if they're here to watch games Nuke isn't even playing in.

I think they're looking at Rantanen. Makes the most sense to me that they'd be putting in so much effort considering the price tag he'll command. The Avs are full of middling players. Don't need 5 games and your GM to scout for that.

Rantanen to Chicago makes SO much sense when you consider what kind of GM Kyle is. He probably knows they are a long ways out from truly competing but getting Bedard a 'trigger-man' like Rantanen to keep the fans interested and excited - I could really see it.

I also think he's one GM that wouldn't balk at Rants asking price and have no problems at all giving him what he wants. As far as Rants, he gets what he wants and that's the bag.

The only question would be what would the Avs get in return? Seth Jones as a middle pairing guy would be pretty good and could help keep Makar's minutes down a bit.

There would need to be a subsequent move like Mitts+ for Zibanejad or something...

 

[Balthazar]

Rantanen to Chicago makes SO much sense when you consider what kind of GM Kyle is. He probably knows they are a long ways out from truly competing but getting Bedard a 'trigger-man' like Rantanen to keep the fans interested and excited - I could really see it.

I also think he's one GM that wouldn't balk at Rants asking price and have no problems at all giving him what he wants. As far as Rants, he gets what he wants and that's the bag.

The only question would be what would the Avs get in return? Seth Jones as a middle pairing guy would be pretty good and could help keep Makar's minutes down a bit.

There would need to be a subsequent move like Mitts+ for Zibanejad or something...

I don't see Rants accepting a trade to a non playoff team. Maybe he could sign there as an UFA but that wouldn't help us.

 

[Vaslof]

I don't see Rants accepting a trade to a non playoff team. Maybe he could sign there as an UFA but that wouldn't help us.

I don't get this. He'd be okay signing for 7 years in UFA, but not okay with being traded and signing for 8 years?

 

[Tralfamadore]

I don't see Rants accepting a trade to a non playoff team. Maybe he could sign there as an UFA but that wouldn't help us.

He's got 9 teams to make list out of so it can't be every non playoff team. I think it's more likely he accepts the trade and then just signs with the highest bidder in UFA. Avs won't get amazing value if that's the case.

No matter what happens the Avs are worse off I think.

If he resigns with the Avs they're stuck with another giant contract on a pay roll that can barely fill out a competitive roster as is.

If they trade him as a rental they likely don't get the best value in return.

If it's a sign and trade which is most unlikely imo Rantanen is likely the most valuable part of the trade which is rarely the better side to be on from a teams perspective.

With the last 2 scenarios Avs are losing 100+ points a season on a roster that struggles to score outside of the big 3.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I’m more open to trading Rantanen than I’ve ever been. I realize the cap is changing so the Mackinnon internal cap can’t be a thing forever. But it can definitely be a thing for right now.

Mikko Rantanen is a really good hockey player and an ELITE finisher, but dude come on. You don’t get nearly as much dough if it isn’t for 29. You held out the last time and ended up taking a contract making way more than Mackinnon but that’s whatever, Mackinnon was underpaid and you were worth the 9.25 you got which made you the highest paid player on the team for most of the duration of the contract. But now just a year after Mackinnon’s new contract kicks in you expect to be paid more? Go f*** yourself.

He’s not in the same stratosphere of a hockey player as Nathan Mackinnon. The cap is growing and perhaps on paper you’re worth around that 12.6 or perhaps even a couple hundred K more. But be a team player and fit into that structure. Be a teammate and take a shade less than the guy who put god knows how many extra mil in career earnings in your pocket. Be a member of the Avalanche or here, Chicago, Carolina and whoever else are asking for permission to speak to you about your contract demands before we facilitate a deal.

 

[missionAvs]

I’m more open to trading Rantanen than I’ve ever been. I realize the cap is changing so the Mackinnon internal cap can’t be a thing forever. But it can definitely be a thing for right now.

Mikko Rantanen is a really good hockey player and an ELITE finisher, but dude come on. You don’t get nearly as much dough if it isn’t for 29. You held out the last time and ended up taking a contract making way more than Mackinnon but that’s whatever, Mackinnon was underpaid and you were worth the 9.25 you got which made you the highest paid player on the team for most of the duration of the contract. But now just a year after Mackinnon’s new contract kicks in you expect to be paid more? Go f*** yourself.

He’s not in the same stratosphere of a hockey player as Nathan Mackinnon. The cap is growing and perhaps on paper you’re worth around that 12.6 or perhaps even a couple hundred K more. But be a team player and fit into that structure. Be a teammate and take a shade less than the guy who put god knows how many extra mil in career earnings in your pocket. Be a member of the Avalanche or here, Chicago, Carolina and whoever else are asking for permission to speak to you about your contract demands before we facilitate a deal.

Agreed 100%.

 

[Tralfamadore]

I’m more open to trading Rantanen than I’ve ever been. I realize the cap is changing so the Mackinnon internal cap can’t be a thing forever. But it can definitely be a thing for right now.

Mikko Rantanen is a really good hockey player and an ELITE finisher, but dude come on. You don’t get nearly as much dough if it isn’t for 29. You held out the last time and ended up taking a contract making way more than Mackinnon but that’s whatever, Mackinnon was underpaid and you were worth the 9.25 you got which made you the highest paid player on the team for most of the duration of the contract. But now just a year after Mackinnon’s new contract kicks in you expect to be paid more? Go f*** yourself.

He’s not in the same stratosphere of a hockey player as Nathan Mackinnon. The cap is growing and perhaps on paper you’re worth around that 12.6 or perhaps even a couple hundred K more. But be a team player and fit into that structure. Be a teammate and take a shade less than the guy who put god knows how many extra mil in career earnings in your pocket. Be a member of the Avalanche or here, Chicago, Carolina and whoever else are asking for permission to speak to you about your contract demands before we facilitate a deal.

I'd like if I could.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Nice to see more people are starting to come around on a Mikko trade. Anything above 12.5M will kill the depth even more and I am not even talking about how that contract will age.

Remember.....it is all about the return and how we can improve the roster with the savings.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I’m more open to trading Rantanen than I’ve ever been. I realize the cap is changing so the Mackinnon internal cap can’t be a thing forever. But it can definitely be a thing for right now.

Mikko Rantanen is a really good hockey player and an ELITE finisher, but dude come on. You don’t get nearly as much dough if it isn’t for 29. You held out the last time and ended up taking a contract making way more than Mackinnon but that’s whatever, Mackinnon was underpaid and you were worth the 9.25 you got which made you the highest paid player on the team for most of the duration of the contract. But now just a year after Mackinnon’s new contract kicks in you expect to be paid more? Go f*** yourself.

He’s not in the same stratosphere of a hockey player as Nathan Mackinnon. The cap is growing and perhaps on paper you’re worth around that 12.6 or perhaps even a couple hundred K more. But be a team player and fit into that structure. Be a teammate and take a shade less than the guy who put god knows how many extra mil in career earnings in your pocket. Be a member of the Avalanche or here, Chicago, Carolina and whoever else are asking for permission to speak to you about your contract demands before we facilitate a deal.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat, however my reasoning is probably different.

I just don't see a consistent effort or willingness to be a $12m+ player from him. I expect those guys to drive the play and be a difference maker on a regular basis. Mikko is struggling to even control the puck and move his feet out there. He looks checked out until it's time to take a one-timer or when there's an empty net.

I wish we hadn't waited until he's a few months away from free agency to reach this conclusion or act on it, but it is what it is.

If there's a team out there that wants to make a hockey trade and give us a piece or two that immediately contributes and works within the reality of our cap, I'm very open to it. My concern is, as an impending UFA, his value is the usual mid-roster player + 1st + prospect package and that just doesn't interest me. I'd rather keep him for Mikko playoff mode and one more run if that's the case.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Also if Davidson was indeed there to scout the Avs roster yesterday, put me in the camp that thinks he was there to watch Rantanen more than anyone.

 

[LOFIN]

Also if Davidson was indeed there to scout the Avs roster yesterday, put me in the camp that thinks he was there to watch Rantanen more than anyone.

What the hell are the Blackhawks going to trade for us lol

 

[Muffin]

What the hell are the Blackhawks going to trade for us lol

Bedard for 2C obviously.

 

[Balthazar]

Also if Davidson was indeed there to scout the Avs roster yesterday, put me in the camp that thinks he was there to watch Rantanen more than anyone.

I still think it makes zero sense for Rants to sign there. I understand loving money but he can love money in a competitive team, not in a team that still won't make the playoffs for at least 5 years. Not at age 29 anyway.

 

[Balthazar]

Nice to see more people are starting to come around on a Mikko trade. Anything above 12.5M will kill the depth even more and I am not even talking about how that contract will age.

Remember.....it is all about the return and how we can improve the roster with the savings.

Yeah it has nothing to do with how the contract will age, we already know how it will.

IMO they can build a better team for the playoffs this year and next year by trading him (extended) for the right pieces at the deadline. Staple a talented guy like Necas next to Mackinnon and the drop of production from Rants to Necas would be a lot less than people would like to believe.

 

[LOFIN]

Staple a talented guy like Necas next to Mackinnon and the drop of production from Rants to Necas would be a lot less than people would like to believe.

I doubt the Canes are going to get both JT Miller and Rantanen

 

[ABasin]

If there's a team out there that wants to make a hockey trade and give us a piece or two that immediately contributes and works within the reality of our cap, I'm very open to it. My concern is, as an impending UFA, his value is the usual mid-roster player + 1st + prospect package and that just doesn't interest me. I'd rather keep him for Mikko playoff mode and one more run if that's the case.

It's looking more and more like that's not realistic possibility, even with Rantanen.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

It's looking more and more like that's not realistic possibility, even with Rantanen.

Eh, we will get into the playoffs this year.

I don't see how we get past Dallas, Edmonton, Vegas, or at this point even Winnipeg, but who knows what happens in April/May.

Motivated team + relatively healthy + Blackwood hot = a hope and a prayer.

 

[Balthazar]

Motivated team + relatively healthy + Blackwood hot = a hope and a prayer.

I don't see that happening unless they get a new coach and/or Landy.

 

[dahrougem2]

I have gone back and forth on the "trade Mikko" debate but I'll be honest: I don't see the Avs competing for the Stanley Cup this year. Not with how shitty our injury luck has been and how poorly the team has played for 3 months.

I also do not believe the team is a top-3 Central club moving forward allocating 12.5M or more to a near-30 year old Rantanen who is showing quite clearly this year more than ever he NEEDS Nathan MacKinnon to produce.

If Carolina for example would give us Nikishin and a 1st, I take it and run. Idk if they would, but I would target a very highly regarded prospect and a 1st to both create cap space and plug a big hole in the lineup for next season. Use the 1st in a trade to help up front.

All that said, I refuse to believe Avs management thinks this way. I believe they eventually cave and give Mikko 12.75M and the team's top guys play 30 per night next season.

 

[Bender]

I still think it makes zero sense for Rants to sign there. I understand loving money but he can love money in a competitive team, not in a team that still won't make the playoffs for at least 5 years. Not at age 29 anyway.

It doesn't make sense to you or I with our perspective on how we view things but for a guy with that kind of ego, he'd probably believe that he'd singlehandedly elevate Chicago to playoff team and his absence would relegate the Avs to a non-playoff team.

I mean, if the report is true that he turned down $11M per year - to me - for a guy in his position, that's insanity. After the $50M that he's already made, to turn down another $90M because "it's not enough"? Is that right?

It's very likely that he could get more from another team - but he's got a pretty good gig going on with the Avs all things considered.

I've said all along that as long as you can get something good in return, you make the move. If it's going to be a mediocre package, you keep him for the playoff run.

I hope C-Mac has the balls to trade him - it won't be easy since he's such a fan favorite - the average joe schmo won't understand why he's being moved at all.

 

[avsfan2189]

Marchenko + from CLB would be a dream for me for Rants. really loved March's game lately and has taken a lot of strides and prob brings more effort than rants and being cheaper. The ++ would be gravy. Can't see CLB swinging for Rants though like they did in the panarin and duchene era

 

[ABasin]

Motivated team + relatively healthy + Blackwood hot = a hope and a prayer.

That first part is the problem.

Actually, scratch that. The first part and that 2nd part are both the problem.

In truth, I'm not entirely certain if the issue with Colorado this year, is motivation. Or injuries. As @Bender has said several times, they seem off, seem stale. Could be, they're just not all that good at playing hockey together.

 

[dahrougem2]

That first part is the problem.

Actually, scratch that. The first part and that 2nd part are both the problem.

In truth, I'm not entirely certain if the issue with Colorado this year, is motivation. Or injuries. As @Bender has said several times, they seem off, seem stale. Could be, they're just not all that good at playing hockey together.

We know what the problem is. Injuries have crushed the Avs this year so Bednar decides to overplay top guys and run them into the ground. We see it in real time now. Makar and MacKinnon don't have the same energy levels nightly.

On top of that, he has fallen in love with Kiviranta - Kelly - O'Connor the way he did Nieto - Soderberg - Comeau as his defacto 3rd line when they are 4th liners. So they now look worn out.

It is both a roster construction issue (team is WAY too slow to play Bednar's style) and an injury issue.

This season is cursed.