Boston Bruins 2024-2025 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion V

[AngryMilkcrates]

Pld with retention for ullmark? It's time for ullmark to go I love him but sway is ready for prime time.

Love ya always Don, but Ullmark for PLD is selling the Family Cow for a Bag of Magic Beans.

At best could be a slight win.
At worst, a quick way to lose your job if you are a GM.

 

[BruinDust]

Team I wonder about is Colorado. Not sure if they check all of Ullmark's boxes, but they have a good team and are contenders. They have some work to do as they have $16 million in space with only 12 guys signed. If they could get Ullmark signed to an team friendly extension I'm curious if there could be something around Ullmark to Colorado for Mittelstadt (other pieces would need to likely be involved from both sides)

Utah is another one seeing as they have a boat load of cap space, a deep prospect pool and young talent. If their ownership is looking to make a strong push out of the gate, would Ullmark be interested in being a piece of their puzzle?

Colorado is a good one. I'd toss in Detroit as well. You know it burned a competitor like Yzerman to miss the playoffs by a hair due to inconsistent goaltending.

Utah depends on what they think of Connor Ingram, who was lights out in the 1st half last year, but floundered in the 2nd half as did the whole team. I do think they will be big players in free agency. Maybe the biggest.

 

[Lobster57]

If I'm Sweeney I remind him he only has a NTC and riding the bus in Providence would suck.

he'd instantly be claimed on waivers

 

[dangermike]

One thing I can't see is the Bruins retaining on Ullmark. That potentially makes things a tad more difficult.

oh man id be open to anything rn.

even at 50% retention youre looking at 25m ish in cap space this off season. you arent gonna get/want the top 3-5 dudes who are all gonna cost big money and i dont wanna see DS fill the roster out with a bunch of 3m jags again.

id do a year of 2.5 retention for the best return possible - it prolly wont happen but i wouldnt cross it off my list

 

[Bodit9]

Gotta think Ullmark is worth at least a 2nd and a young roster player with no retention after this deal.

 

[Number8]

I wanted to be a Bruin, but things don’t always end up the way we want.

It's not your fault, Sarge.

 

[DaBroons]

Ok, I'll take the bait.
If PLD is bought out does Donny give him an offer as a UFA and for how much?

How about AHL minimum to play in Providence?

 

[Hookslide]

Sweeney has to find a way to move Ullmark. Swayman is the now and future. We need to open up that cap space to improve our team in other areas, I thought Ullmark might be going to the Devils, disappointing that it was Calgary who moved Markstrom there.

Good trade for Calgary.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

 

[DaBroons]

There's always the possibility that moving during the summer, which is far easier for the family, AND an extension, would entice Linus to agree to a trade.

I get that he loves da Broons, but so does Matt G. It's can be a cruel business sometimes. It'll be sad to see both leave, but that's the nature of sports.

 

[PlayMakers]

I don’t want either of them. I want to lock Lohrei in a top 6 role and deal with the lumps in November and December. Find a vet LD who can move the puck. Wotherspoon can play silly side and you’ve already gotten younger in the bottom pair with him and Peeke. I’d be willing to pay a bit more than Shattenkirk but I’m not paying $3M+ down there. You can always find a vet physical defenseman at the deadline.

I’d overpay for quality at the top. I don’t think they need to sign four forwards. Make a big play for Guentzel, or Marchessault - whoever your guy is. I’d rather it not be Lindholm but if that’s your guy ok. Going to need to overpay to get it done but I think it’s worth it.

Give Guentzel $10.5x7. Or Marchessault 3x$6M. Or if Reinhart or Stamkos break free then go big there. Have to get one. Then use Ullmark directly or indirectly to get a second tier guy. Hard to even predict who that would be - but somewhere in the Zacha range. If Jake signs you have replaced Heinen.

Your best case is Geekie is 4RW. Two adds up front. Poitras grabs a spot. And we’re better.

And now on the Ottawa board there’s a fan quoting Bruins posters that they could trade Tkachuk for Pasta.

You want Lohrei locked into the top6 or top4? You said top6 but then the context made me think you meant top4. Fwiw, I think he's locked into the top6 even if they get a veteran D. I think they break him in the way they did Krug, 3rd pair at ES (while he learns to defend in the NHL) and 1st PP.

I don't think there's any reality where they build a team that puts Geekie on the 4th line. He's a strong 3rd liner. I don't think they need to sign 4 forwards either, or 3 forwards for that matter. They need a 1c and they need a play driver to replace DeBrusk, preferably with a RW to play with Marchand. Other than Lindholm, the UFA options are meh, IMO.

Guentzel is the only 'play driver' in the UFA class, but he's going to get paid Pasta money and I don't think they can afford both Lindholm and Guentzel. Lindholm is the bigger priority.

Reinhart is a career 30/30 guy who had a great season and you're going to end up paying for 90 point Reinhart not 60 point Reinhart. I don't think he's a play driver and I don't think you can afford both Reinhart and Lindholm. Plus, Reinhart and Lindholm play the same spot on the PP.

Stamkos isn't coming here. He and Pasta play the same spot on the PP. I think "fit" matters and you only have one PP1 bumper. You are selling someone on having that job and those goals.

Marchessault is not a play driver, not young and looking to get paid. Laine has baggage that would give me pause and he plays the same spot on the PP as Pasta. Toffoli isn't a play driver. Perron isn't young and isn't a play driver...

I'd be down for Necas. I like the idea of using Ulmark for a secondary scorer but I'm also okay with them using him for a 1st round pick.

So, I think they're going to look at those less than perfect UFA fits and say, why get locked into a long, expensive contract for someone we're not sure is going to work. Let's take a flyer on someone cheap and see if Lysell or Merkulov can beat them out of a job. At least Lysell can be a dynamic play driver. Maybe he's still not mature enough, that seems to be the opinion of those in the know, but that's why you sign the vet as insurance. And, there are good fits on defense, guys who could be impactful players, so I think that's why they lean that way.

That's fine.

You cannot rely on one guy on the fourth line, whoever it is, to provide your entire team with intimidation, retaliation, toughness.

Look at Peter Chiarell's rosters.

Within perhaps 3 years half of that lineup was ready, willing and able to stand up for one another.

Were they all bruisers? Was Andrew Ference a bruiser? Marc Savard? Gregory Campbell?

Nine years later, this Chromag sees meh mediocrity as far as the I can see.

Team toughness is not just a stupid phrase. As corny as it sounds, it means being there for the guy next to you. It means playing for one another. It means, cliche, everyone pulling on the same rope.

Bruins DNA dictates that kind of play. And to me, that means getting your nose dirty, hard work, and physical intimidation.

Counter with Nifty, David,

Sweeney has never embraced that. Of late, only of late, he realizes he needs a policeman. One guy. Pat Maroon, 35, coming off back surgery and very much at the end of his career. Prior to that, it was Milan.

One guy. It's such a joke it makes me cry.

I believe I mentioned this, but when watching the Ranger- Florida series, it was abundantly clear that the Boston Bruins under done Sweeney are so far away from that level of competition it isn't true. It makes me f*cking sick.

He's learned, he's grown, and he's a very, very good general manager. But he still doesn't seem to get it.

Please don't squeeze the Charmin doesn't get it in the playoffs.

Say it with me: speed, skill, *and* physicality.

It's not rocket science.

I agree that Chiarelli’s teams were tough, intimidating and fun to watch… and I agree that Sweeney’s teams for the most part have not been tough or intimidating, but I don’t think that was an issue for the Bruins this year. I thought they were just as physical as Florida. We had just as many blow up hits as they did and outhit them in the series overall. No, we weren’t the 2011 Bruins but we lost that series on skill not toughness IMO.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

Sharks are busy.

 

[PB37]

Ullmark ( no retention ) to Colorado for the 24th overall pick in this year's draft, 4th round 2024 and the rights to Duhaime makes sense to me when looking at the Markstrom deal.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Ullmark ( no retention ) to Colorado for the 24th overall pick in this year's draft, 4th round 2024 and the rights to Duhaime makes sense to me when looking at the Markstrom deal.

I feel thats fair.

 

[goldenblack]

trade floodgates! Let's goooo

 

[Demon Eyes]

Dixon of Sportsnet proposed this deal

Ottawa Senators receive
D Brandt Clarke
F Morgan Geekie

Los Angeles Kings receive
G Linus Ullmark, 30 per cent of salary retained by Boston
D Jakob Chychrun

Boston Bruins receive
7th overall pick in 2024 draft

 

[DKH]

Those pesky Sharks adding a roommate for one of Smith or Celebrini

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

You want Lohrei locked into the top6 or top4? You said top6 but then the context made me think you meant top4. Fwiw, I think he's locked into the top6 even if they get a veteran D. I think they break him in the way they did Krug, 3rd pair at ES (while he learns to defend in the NHL) and 1st PP.

I don't think there's any reality where they build a team that puts Geekie on the 4th line. He's a strong 3rd liner. I don't think they need to sign 4 forwards either, or 3 forwards for that matter. They need a 1c and they need a play driver to replace DeBrusk, preferably with a RW to play with Marchand. Other than Lindholm, the UFA options are meh, IMO.

Guentzel is the only 'play driver' in the UFA class, but he's going to get paid Pasta money and I don't think they can afford both Lindholm and Guentzel. Lindholm is the bigger priority.

Reinhart is a career 30/30 guy who had a great season and you're going to end up paying for 90 point Reinhart not 60 point Reinhart. I don't think he's a play driver and I don't think you can afford both Reinhart and Lindholm. Plus, Reinhart and Lindholm play the same spot on the PP.

Stamkos isn't coming here. He and Pasta play the same spot on the PP. I think "fit" matters and you only have one PP1 bumper. You are selling someone on having that job and those goals.

Marchessault is not a play driver, not young and looking to get paid. Laine has baggage that would give me pause and he plays the same spot on the PP as Pasta. Toffoli isn't a play driver. Perron isn't young and isn't a play driver...

I'd be down for Necas. I like the idea of using Ulmark for a secondary scorer but I'm also okay with them using him for a 1st round pick.

So, I think they're going to look at those less than perfect UFA fits and say, why get locked into a long, expensive contract for someone we're not sure is going to work. Let's take a flyer on someone cheap and see if Lysell or Merkulov can beat them out of a job. At least Lysell can be a dynamic play driver. Maybe he's still not mature enough, that seems to be the opinion of those in the know, but that's why you sign the vet as insurance. And, there are good fits on defense, guys who could be impactful players, so I think that's why they lean that way.

I agree that Chiarelli’s teams were tough, intimidating and fun to watch… and I agree that Sweeney’s teams for the most part have not been tough or intimidating, but I don’t think that was an issue for the Bruins this year. I thought they were just as physical as Florida. We had just as many blow up hits as they did and outhit them in the series overall. No, we weren’t the 2011 Bruins but we lost that series on skill not toughness IMO.

I did mean Top 4 for Lohrei - thanks. And maybe I used “play driver” too liberally - need high end talent is probably what I should have said. I really don’t think Stamkos or Reinhart end up available anyway, but I wouldn’t rule out any of the top potential guys given how weak a class it is. Though I tend to agree on Stamkos anyway.

 

[Gee Wally]

If I'm Sweeney I remind him he only has a NTC and riding the bus in Providence would suck.

You’d only do that once. Lose him for free.
You dont shoot good soldiers and then expect any further goodwill from anyone. Current, future FA and agents.

 

[DKH]

Dixon of Sportsnet proposed this deal

Ottawa Senators receive
D Brandt Clarke
F Morgan Geekie

Los Angeles Kings receive
G Linus Ullmark, 30 per cent of salary retained by Boston
D Jakob Chychrun

Boston Bruins receive
7th overall pick in 2024 draft

LA up against it and would have to want Ullmark long term & Chychrun UFA next summer $$$$$$$

Clarke ELC

Bruins hell yeh

It’s definitely interesting

 

[Fenian24]

Ok, I'll take the bait.
If PLD is bought out does Donny give him an offer as a UFA and for how much?

If PLD is bought out he signs with Montreal.

 

[8thRoundPick]

Ullmark ( no retention ) to Colorado for the 24th overall pick in this year's draft, 4th round 2024 and the rights to Duhaime makes sense to me when looking at the Markstrom deal.

I like this. I'd love to get the opinion of an Avs fan though, for fairness.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Ullmark ( no retention ) to Colorado for the 24th overall pick in this year's draft, 4th round 2024 and the rights to Duhaime makes sense to me when looking at the Markstrom deal.

Hope we can get a little further up the latter, draft is very weak at 24 no? I

 

[DaStinger]

he'd instantly be claimed on waivers

Exactly then he loses all control of where he lands.

 

[Fenian24]

I don't think Ullmark is going anywhere but if he agrees to Colorado do you ask for Landeskog's medicals and take the chance on him?