BruinDust
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When was this? By 2018 wasn't he struggling in the AHL?
Warts were already showing on Zboril by that point too, specifically his lack of hockey sense.
Boston Bruins 2024-2025 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion V
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When was this? By 2018 wasn't he struggling in the AHL?
Warts were already showing on Zboril by that point too, specifically his lack of hockey sense.
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I was talking about Laine. He's not a FA, available via trade. I really wanted to try and see what a fair cap hit would be to see what the possible retention would have to be.
I wanted to leave the name out to start because there would be folks who would just say he's overpaid and a bad contract.
BruinDust
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From what I've read, part of the reason for why he wanted out of WPG was because of how he was treated by the leaders of the room, specifically Wheeler and Scheifele.
Report: Patrik Laine Revealed Reason for Leaving Winnipeg – Rude Treatment in Locker Room
Pekka Jalonen of the Finnish publication Iltalehti (Evening News) revealed his belief why Patrik Laine wished to leave the Winnipeg Jets. It was because of issues with fellow stars on the team.www.google.com
Not surprising about Wheeler. The more you hear about him, the more he sounds like a locker room bully and hard on some teammates. Being hard on teammates is OK in some situations, but if you can't communicate well, it can quickly lead to poor relationships within the room.
You have to wonder what the culture is like over their in Columbus. This is a franchise that pursued Mike Babcock.
I'd take a flyer on Laine. Get him in the right environment and the upside is massive IMO.
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Senators GM Steve Staios says 'there's lots of dialogue right now' in trade talks
Steve Staios is studying his options to improve the Ottawa Senators and the general manager has plenty to sort through.
ottawacitizen.com
An area the Senators need to improve is in the net. Postmedia has reported that Staios has been “aggressive” in his pursuit of Calgary netminder Jacob Markstrom, but has also pushed hard on Boston’s Linus Ullmark and has kicked the tires on Nashville’s Juuse Saros.
“I’m excited about the next couple of weeks,” Andlauer said. “They’re working furiously. I got a call at 11 p.m. (Thursday) night I got a phone call and at 6 a.m. when we’re flying (to Ottawa) today, Steve had a whole bunch of text messages from other GM’s saying, ‘Please give me a call.’
“This is an important time leading into the draft. There’s a lot of kicking tires and the team is working really hard. That’s all I can tell you.”
The NHL calendar is entering a pivotal stretch with qualifying offers for restricted free agents due on June 30 and unrestricted free agency set to open on Canada Day at noon.
ON3M4N
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If they could get him for the right deal and then add a guy like Lindholm:
Zacha - Lindholm - Pastrnak
Marchand - Coyle - Laine
That's a pretty solid top 6.
BruinDust
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I've poo-poo'd a Lindholm signing many times here but if they could get and revive Laine, now he's that new play-driver (he can carry the puck and make plays, create space, he's not just a shooter) that they really need, and now a Lindholm signing makes a ton more sense as the secondary move.
Senators GM Steve Staios says 'there's lots of dialogue right now' in trade talks
Steve Staios is studying his options to improve the Ottawa Senators and the general manager has plenty to sort through.
An area the Senators need to improve is in the net. Postmedia has reported that Staios has been “aggressive” in his pursuit of Calgary netminder Jacob Markstrom, but has also pushed hard on Boston’s Linus Ullmark and has kicked the tires on Nashville’s Juuse Saros.
“I’m excited about the next couple of weeks,” Andlauer said. “They’re working furiously. I got a call at 11 p.m. (Thursday) night I got a phone call and at 6 a.m. when we’re flying (to Ottawa) today, Steve had a whole bunch of text messages from other GM’s saying, ‘Please give me a call.’
“This is an important time leading into the draft. There’s a lot of kicking tires and the team is working really hard. That’s all I can tell you.”
The NHL calendar is entering a pivotal stretch with qualifying offers for restricted free agents due on June 30 and unrestricted free agency set to open on Canada Day at noon.
In the spirit of Cherry Hill Park, all of this Ullmark and Ottawa trade talk will lead to nothing more than being "Down In The Boondocks".
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I'm pretty sure we can all agree the Bruins core is Swayman (25), McAvoy (26), Pastrnak (28)
I would lean towards moving Ullmark for immediate help but if they can get a top 10 pick for him this year, I think it's worth considering
Pastrnak was drafted in 2014 when Marchand was 26 and Bergeron was 29
I think if they really have their eyes on someone who could join this core, then go for it. Cayden Lindstrom is interesting but also Tij Iginla
If we can somehow get that 7th overall from Ottawa and one of those guys are available you could be getting that next number 1 center or the next modern day power forward
I would lean towards moving Ullmark for immediate help but if they can get a top 10 pick for him this year, I think it's worth considering
Pastrnak was drafted in 2014 when Marchand was 26 and Bergeron was 29
I think if they really have their eyes on someone who could join this core, then go for it. Cayden Lindstrom is interesting but also Tij Iginla
If we can somehow get that 7th overall from Ottawa and one of those guys are available you could be getting that next number 1 center or the next modern day power forward
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I like Laine a lot but if Coyle is his center don't bother.
I am all for giving Lysell a look in training camp but this shit that he is competing to be a second line winger next year is just not rational, just like Merkolov, Poitras, any of the Bruin's prospects, I am a show me type guy, none of them should be counted on, they should be looked at given a chance and hope they are pleasant surprises. Do not build this roster around them.
Poitras will be on the roster, his passing skills and IQ are off the charts. Bruins do not have a center on the NHL roster that can do the things he can.
Regardless of who we pick up in the offseason. Let's see if I'm right.
I think a top 10 pick for Ullmark is a pipe dream, but yes if you can get it (even with a slight add) you do it and you make the pick. The Bruins need more high end prospects.
Have to tip my cap to Sweeney he’s managed to remain competitive after an all-in Cup run failure. But he doesn’t have the roster to go all in next year, so a top pick would be outstanding.
In part I, agree with your post. I need to respectfully phrase this, I was not sure why he was in the PA program, and now that I realize it was not drugs, maybe he is worth taking a chance on with the right players around him in the right atmosphere, he might be worth a shot. Maybe this is where a Maroon influence comes into play, this from someone who hated Maroon, but after listening to him these last few months seems like a pretty good guy, and why he is respected. I also and believe, I am not a cap guy, but for only two years would it be better to not give up a lot of assets for him and take on most of if not all of the contract. You are not stuck with 7-8 years at 8 mil with a signing and if can return to form at only 26 what pressure he would take and help Pasta........
He skills are there I will give you that , but the question is will he hold up over a full NHL season, I have might doubts, and let me read into what you are saying a little bit I am assuming you think he is your 1C and that is not realistic at all.
BradMarchandismydad
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I just don’t understand why we won’t even consider Lysell a viable option, he has a top six skill set
The kid has an elite skill set, lit it up last year in the AHL and specifically out scored most of his age peers.
Like we talk on this board about developing the youth but we want to give this kid who has all the talent to become a real top six winger and we want to all bury him for some reason. It makes zero sense to me. (After rereading your post you aren’t saying this, but other posters are so i won’t delete lol)
If he shows he can adapt and continue to be coachable then he deserves a shot
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JVR 2nd overall
Lindholm 6th overall
Zacha 6th overall
Debrusk 14th overall
McAvoy 14th overall
Shattenkirk 14th overall
Tomorrow’s Globe:
www.bostonglobe.com
Swayman’s agent, Lewis Gross, did not respond to an email from the Globe late in the week, seeking comment on Swayman’s contract status.
DeBrusk’s agent, Rick Valette, of High River, Alberta, likewise did not respond to a text seeking comment about his client’s next contract. For those planning a trip out there, High River is west of WHL Swift Current, where DeBrusk starred as a junior. Pro tip: Bring bear spray if you’re in the Greater Banff neck of the woods.
Swayman was awarded $3.475 million for 2023-24 via salary arbitration and could end up in that greenbacks taffy pull again this summer, if Sweeney and Gross again fail to negotiate a landing spot on a new deal. The Bruins are in the window that allows them to elect arbitration. Swayman can trigger it as of July 5.
A one- or two-year award could see Swayman, 25, double his pay of last season. As noted in this space recently, a long-term pact (maximum eight years, per CBA guidelines), could boost him to the $9.5 million-a-year echelon, if the deal were measured against the eight-year extension that Tuukka Rask signed in Boston at age 26 in 2013 (fresh off a run to the Cup Final).
Rask’s average annual value was $7 million. Adjusted for a cap boosted to $88 million next season, that would be $9.5 million. Currently, Sweeney has that cash on hand and potentially $10 million-$15 million more for UFA shopping.
DeBrusk, the club’s leading playoff scorer (13 games, 5-6–11) this spring, earned $4 million each of the last two seasons. When he packed up in Brighton on the traditional lockers-and-lamentations day, he said he never imagined the prospect that he could be leaving the training facility for one last time.
With July 1 a mere two weeks in the offing, the former first-round pick looks like he’ll hit the open market. He has been a streaky, sometimes slumping, regular-season scorer in his time on Causeway Street, but those playoff numbers this spring are guaranteed to catch eyeballs.
As Game 4 of the Cup Final approached on Saturday, DeBrusk’s 11 points ranked among the league’s 28 most productive forwards this postseason. Reasonable to think he’ll see offers of, say, five years/$30 million from clubs such as Chicago, Detroit, Anaheim, and San Jose.
The Flames, less than 200 miles south of DeBrusk’s hometown of Edmonton, have slightly more than $20 million in shopping dough to shore up a roster that has not made the playoffs the last two seasons.
If sent packing, Krug immediately would be rendered an unrestricted free agent, a scenario experienced in recent years by Zach Parise and Ryan Suter with the Wild, Kevin Shattenkirk with the Rangers, and others.
Krug, now 33, has delivered between 32 and 43 points in his four seasons under the Arch. He also invoked his no-trade clause to nix a 2023 deadline deal that would have sent him to the Flyers. Sounds increasingly like Blues management, amid a front office overhaul, is ready to move on from the diminutive blue liner.
Though never a stout defender, Krug did put up points in Boston, particularly on the power play. In the seven seasons leading up to departure, he scored 67 goals (24 on the power play) and 335 points — only six defenseman leaguewide scored more points in that stretch from 2013-14 to 2019-20.
In his four seasons wearing the Blue note, Krug has scored eight power-play goals in 255 games. Here in the Hub of Hockey, the entire cast of Bruins defensemen since his departure scored 17 power-plays goals, led by eight from Charlie McAvoy. The runners-up: Hampus Lindholm and Shattenkirk with two each.
All of which is to say that Krug, if sent packing, could be an interesting low-budget returnee for the Black and Gold. He is a left shot, still capable of sliding between pairings 2 and 3, and that left stick could offer interesting first- or second-unit balances to McAvoy’s right shot on the PP.
Oh, and the rekindling of the Krug-Brad Marchand insults from Twitter days, often centered on their challenged height, alone could be worth the price of acquisition.
NHL No. 1 picks get a lot of attention, but it’s far from a lock that they’ll go on to win the Stanley Cup - The Boston Globe
Of the 61 No. 1 picks in draft history, only 18 have gone on to play for Cup winners.
www.bostonglobe.com
ETC.
Nothing doing on DeBrusk, Swayman
There are no plans for Bruins GM Don Sweeney to speak to the media until June 27 in Las Vegas, the day prior to Round 1 of the draft. Ergo, nothing from the corner office about an effort, if any, to keep Jake DeBrusk from becoming an unrestricted free agent, or where things stand with franchise goalie Jeremy Swayman on a contract extension.Swayman’s agent, Lewis Gross, did not respond to an email from the Globe late in the week, seeking comment on Swayman’s contract status.
DeBrusk’s agent, Rick Valette, of High River, Alberta, likewise did not respond to a text seeking comment about his client’s next contract. For those planning a trip out there, High River is west of WHL Swift Current, where DeBrusk starred as a junior. Pro tip: Bring bear spray if you’re in the Greater Banff neck of the woods.
Swayman was awarded $3.475 million for 2023-24 via salary arbitration and could end up in that greenbacks taffy pull again this summer, if Sweeney and Gross again fail to negotiate a landing spot on a new deal. The Bruins are in the window that allows them to elect arbitration. Swayman can trigger it as of July 5.
A one- or two-year award could see Swayman, 25, double his pay of last season. As noted in this space recently, a long-term pact (maximum eight years, per CBA guidelines), could boost him to the $9.5 million-a-year echelon, if the deal were measured against the eight-year extension that Tuukka Rask signed in Boston at age 26 in 2013 (fresh off a run to the Cup Final).
Rask’s average annual value was $7 million. Adjusted for a cap boosted to $88 million next season, that would be $9.5 million. Currently, Sweeney has that cash on hand and potentially $10 million-$15 million more for UFA shopping.
DeBrusk, the club’s leading playoff scorer (13 games, 5-6–11) this spring, earned $4 million each of the last two seasons. When he packed up in Brighton on the traditional lockers-and-lamentations day, he said he never imagined the prospect that he could be leaving the training facility for one last time.
With July 1 a mere two weeks in the offing, the former first-round pick looks like he’ll hit the open market. He has been a streaky, sometimes slumping, regular-season scorer in his time on Causeway Street, but those playoff numbers this spring are guaranteed to catch eyeballs.
As Game 4 of the Cup Final approached on Saturday, DeBrusk’s 11 points ranked among the league’s 28 most productive forwards this postseason. Reasonable to think he’ll see offers of, say, five years/$30 million from clubs such as Chicago, Detroit, Anaheim, and San Jose.
The Flames, less than 200 miles south of DeBrusk’s hometown of Edmonton, have slightly more than $20 million in shopping dough to shore up a roster that has not made the playoffs the last two seasons.
Could Krug land back in Boston?
DeBrusk is the highest-profile/highest-producing Bruin to get this close to the UFA threshold since Torey Krug, their onetime point man. According to Krug at the time, the Bruins pulled an offer off the table in the weeks leading to his UFA eligibility, triggering his move to the Blues in October 2020 for seven years/$45.5 million. Now there are increasing hints Krug could be on the move again, only this time via buyout in the next 5-10 days. Still guaranteed three more years at $6.5 million per, Krug would be paid out across six years, the remaining value of $19.5 million reduced to $14 million.If sent packing, Krug immediately would be rendered an unrestricted free agent, a scenario experienced in recent years by Zach Parise and Ryan Suter with the Wild, Kevin Shattenkirk with the Rangers, and others.
Krug, now 33, has delivered between 32 and 43 points in his four seasons under the Arch. He also invoked his no-trade clause to nix a 2023 deadline deal that would have sent him to the Flyers. Sounds increasingly like Blues management, amid a front office overhaul, is ready to move on from the diminutive blue liner.
Though never a stout defender, Krug did put up points in Boston, particularly on the power play. In the seven seasons leading up to departure, he scored 67 goals (24 on the power play) and 335 points — only six defenseman leaguewide scored more points in that stretch from 2013-14 to 2019-20.
In his four seasons wearing the Blue note, Krug has scored eight power-play goals in 255 games. Here in the Hub of Hockey, the entire cast of Bruins defensemen since his departure scored 17 power-plays goals, led by eight from Charlie McAvoy. The runners-up: Hampus Lindholm and Shattenkirk with two each.
All of which is to say that Krug, if sent packing, could be an interesting low-budget returnee for the Black and Gold. He is a left shot, still capable of sliding between pairings 2 and 3, and that left stick could offer interesting first- or second-unit balances to McAvoy’s right shot on the PP.
Oh, and the rekindling of the Krug-Brad Marchand insults from Twitter days, often centered on their challenged height, alone could be worth the price of acquisition.
Zboril was working through a bunch of injuries so he was given tge benefit of the doubt . Gabriel was just cutting his teeth in the AHL.
Bennett was traded for a 2nd round pick and a B prospect. So ya, Zboril and Gabriel would have been overpay at that time.
You read my wrong, he will be on the roster
Bruins are not going to put him in the AHL other than some seasoning games. He's a NHL player
BruinDust
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I'll give you that Zboril may of still had trade value. But at no point was Jesse Gabrielle ever considered a top prospect. He played so poorly in the AHL halfway through they sent him back down to the WHL as an over-age player. The next season he's down playing in the ECHL.
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Hampy-MacTomorrow’s Globe:
NHL No. 1 picks get a lot of attention, but it’s far from a lock that they’ll go on to win the Stanley Cup - The Boston Globe
Of the 61 No. 1 picks in draft history, only 18 have gone on to play for Cup winners.
ETC.
Nothing doing on DeBrusk, Swayman
There are no plans for Bruins GM Don Sweeney to speak to the media until June 27 in Las Vegas, the day prior to Round 1 of the draft. Ergo, nothing from the corner office about an effort, if any, to keep Jake DeBrusk from becoming an unrestricted free agent, or where things stand with franchise goalie Jeremy Swayman on a contract extension.
Swayman’s agent, Lewis Gross, did not respond to an email from the Globe late in the week, seeking comment on Swayman’s contract status.
DeBrusk’s agent, Rick Valette, of High River, Alberta, likewise did not respond to a text seeking comment about his client’s next contract. For those planning a trip out there, High River is west of WHL Swift Current, where DeBrusk starred as a junior. Pro tip: Bring bear spray if you’re in the Greater Banff neck of the woods.
Swayman was awarded $3.475 million for 2023-24 via salary arbitration and could end up in that greenbacks taffy pull again this summer, if Sweeney and Gross again fail to negotiate a landing spot on a new deal. The Bruins are in the window that allows them to elect arbitration. Swayman can trigger it as of July 5.
A one- or two-year award could see Swayman, 25, double his pay of last season. As noted in this space recently, a long-term pact (maximum eight years, per CBA guidelines), could boost him to the $9.5 million-a-year echelon, if the deal were measured against the eight-year extension that Tuukka Rask signed in Boston at age 26 in 2013 (fresh off a run to the Cup Final).
Rask’s average annual value was $7 million. Adjusted for a cap boosted to $88 million next season, that would be $9.5 million. Currently, Sweeney has that cash on hand and potentially $10 million-$15 million more for UFA shopping.
DeBrusk, the club’s leading playoff scorer (13 games, 5-6–11) this spring, earned $4 million each of the last two seasons. When he packed up in Brighton on the traditional lockers-and-lamentations day, he said he never imagined the prospect that he could be leaving the training facility for one last time.
With July 1 a mere two weeks in the offing, the former first-round pick looks like he’ll hit the open market. He has been a streaky, sometimes slumping, regular-season scorer in his time on Causeway Street, but those playoff numbers this spring are guaranteed to catch eyeballs.
As Game 4 of the Cup Final approached on Saturday, DeBrusk’s 11 points ranked among the league’s 28 most productive forwards this postseason. Reasonable to think he’ll see offers of, say, five years/$30 million from clubs such as Chicago, Detroit, Anaheim, and San Jose.
The Flames, less than 200 miles south of DeBrusk’s hometown of Edmonton, have slightly more than $20 million in shopping dough to shore up a roster that has not made the playoffs the last two seasons.
Could Krug land back in Boston?
DeBrusk is the highest-profile/highest-producing Bruin to get this close to the UFA threshold since Torey Krug, their onetime point man. According to Krug at the time, the Bruins pulled an offer off the table in the weeks leading to his UFA eligibility, triggering his move to the Blues in October 2020 for seven years/$45.5 million. Now there are increasing hints Krug could be on the move again, only this time via buyout in the next 5-10 days. Still guaranteed three more years at $6.5 million per, Krug would be paid out across six years, the remaining value of $19.5 million reduced to $14 million.
If sent packing, Krug immediately would be rendered an unrestricted free agent, a scenario experienced in recent years by Zach Parise and Ryan Suter with the Wild, Kevin Shattenkirk with the Rangers, and others.
Krug, now 33, has delivered between 32 and 43 points in his four seasons under the Arch. He also invoked his no-trade clause to nix a 2023 deadline deal that would have sent him to the Flyers. Sounds increasingly like Blues management, amid a front office overhaul, is ready to move on from the diminutive blue liner.
Though never a stout defender, Krug did put up points in Boston, particularly on the power play. In the seven seasons leading up to departure, he scored 67 goals (24 on the power play) and 335 points — only six defenseman leaguewide scored more points in that stretch from 2013-14 to 2019-20.
In his four seasons wearing the Blue note, Krug has scored eight power-play goals in 255 games. Here in the Hub of Hockey, the entire cast of Bruins defensemen since his departure scored 17 power-plays goals, led by eight from Charlie McAvoy. The runners-up: Hampus Lindholm and Shattenkirk with two each.
All of which is to say that Krug, if sent packing, could be an interesting low-budget returnee for the Black and Gold. He is a left shot, still capable of sliding between pairings 2 and 3, and that left stick could offer interesting first- or second-unit balances to McAvoy’s right shot on the PP.
Oh, and the rekindling of the Krug-Brad Marchand insults from Twitter days, often centered on their challenged height, alone could be worth the price of acquisition.
Lohrei-Carlo
Krug-Peeke
Wotherspoon
I don’t hate this at all. Assuming of course Krug signs on the cheap. And assuming he actually wants to return to Boston after how it ended.
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