Injury Report: 2024-2025 Injury thread | HF’s Longest Thread Just Got Longer

[LOFIN]

Yeah, Landy needs to play come playoffs this spring. If not, it's career over time.

In practice, how would you expect this to play out? Why would Landy just quit trying, when he still has a contract for 4 more seasons after this one? There's no more Arizona where to just bury his contract, so who would take him?

Bednar on Landy: "No update"

Considering Nuke is healthy, doesn't really matter what they say about Landy. Could be that he's not progressing, could be that they don't want to give anyone any ideas that he could be close because we don't have the money to activate him anyway.

 

[EdAVSfan]

In practice, how would you expect this to play out? Why would Landy just quit trying, when he still has a contract for 4 more seasons after this one? There's no more Arizona where to just bury his contract, so who would take him?

There’s no need to bury him. They just need finality on if he’s playing or if he’s out.
The half in half out causes them to have to constantly plan around him MAYBE coming back.
If they know he’s out, they don’t have to reserve the cap space for him.

 

[LOFIN]

There’s no need to bury him. They just need finality on if he’s playing or if he’s out.
The half in half out causes them to have to constantly plan around him MAYBE coming back.
If they know he’s out, they don’t have to reserve the cap space for him.

Yeah, but how the hell are you supposed to get that finality? That's just an impossibility.

And working in LTIR is still problematic.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Yeah, but how the hell are you supposed to get that finality? That's just an impossibility.

And working in LTIR is still problematic.

It’s been 3.5 half years since he played hockey. Clearly, there’s an issue with him being able to play. He can either play or he can’t and stays on LTIR for good.
I understand he wants to come back. But he also needs to face the reality that one foot in one foot out isn’t helping anyone.
Sure, working on LTIR is more challenging.

Even more challenging: working on LTIR with a player who may or may not come back throughout. The AVS couldn’t spend the whole 9M of LTiR that they had because Landeskog was « possible » to return.

 

[dahrougem2]

Yeah, but how the hell are you supposed to get that finality? That's just an impossibility.

And working in LTIR is still problematic.

It's not an impossibility at all. Landy is a smart guy, he likely knows that playing pro hockey after taking more than 3 years off is not going to happen.

He won't give up his contract, but he'll "retire" and go on LTIR for the duration of it and the Avs will know they can spend his money OR trade his LTIR contract to a tanking team willing to take it on.

This is in all likelihood the last chance he gets to come back.

 

[LOFIN]

It’s been 3.5 half years since he played hockey. Clearly, there’s an issue with him being able to play. He can either play or he can’t and stays on LTIR for good.

It's not an impossibility at all. Landy is a smart guy, he likely knows that playing pro hockey after taking more than 3 years off is not going to happen.

He won't give up his contract, but he'll "retire" and go on LTIR for the duration of it and the Avs will know they can spend his money OR trade his LTIR contract to a tanking team willing to take it on.

This is in all likelihood the last chance he gets to come back.

Or, his injury could get better in 3 years time. Who knows.

You don't become an NHL athlete by giving up. Landeskog has 4 years remaining to try and make a comeback. The Avs are in NO position to tell him not to do it, unless they want to buy him out or trade him. The decision lies just with Landeskog.

I'm not really disagreeing with either of you two in principle. The Avs need to get this saga over with. The problem is, there really isn't a way that doesn't involve getting rid of his contract. I don't see Landy giving up, it has been made pretty obvious that this injury is merely preventing him from playing pro hockey. It's not like he's ruining his civilian life by making it worse in trying to make a comeback.

It's a shitty situation the Avs are in with Landeskog, and there really isn't a solution. Even him coming back isn't really a solution, because it's going to make our cap situation that much worse and stuff needs to be figured out.

 

[rockymtnoyster]

 

[Vaslof]

In practice, how would you expect this to play out? Why would Landy just quit trying, when he still has a contract for 4 more seasons after this one? There's no more Arizona where to just bury his contract, so who would take him?


Considering Nuke is healthy, doesn't really matter what they say about Landy. Could be that he's not progressing, could be that they don't want to give anyone any ideas that he could be close because we don't have the money to activate him anyway.

He won't be the first player to have their career cut short by injury. They don't usually stick around for 3+ years.

 

[Vaslof]

Or, his injury could get better in 3 years time. Who knows.

You don't become an NHL athlete by giving up. Landeskog has 4 years remaining to try and make a comeback. The Avs are in NO position to tell him not to do it, unless they want to buy him out or trade him. The decision lies just with Landeskog.

I'm not really disagreeing with either of you two in principle. The Avs need to get this saga over with. The problem is, there really isn't a way that doesn't involve getting rid of his contract. I don't see Landy giving up, it has been made pretty obvious that this injury is merely preventing him from playing pro hockey. It's not like he's ruining his civilian life by making it worse in trying to make a comeback.

It's a shitty situation the Avs are in with Landeskog, and there really isn't a solution. Even him coming back isn't really a solution, because it's going to make our cap situation that much worse and stuff needs to be figured out.

If he won't play or retire, they can trade him. NTC ends this season.

 

[LOFIN]

If he won't play or retire, they can trade him. NTC ends this season.

In theory, yes. In practice, not that easy. Now that Arizona is gone, what team would be the LTIR burial ground? Landy has a 12 team NTC, pretty sure the possible teams are easy to put on that list.

 

[dahrougem2]

Or, his injury could get better in 3 years time. Who knows.

You don't become an NHL athlete by giving up. Landeskog has 4 years remaining to try and make a comeback. The Avs are in NO position to tell him not to do it, unless they want to buy him out or trade him. The decision lies just with Landeskog.

I'm not really disagreeing with either of you two in principle. The Avs need to get this saga over with. The problem is, there really isn't a way that doesn't involve getting rid of his contract. I don't see Landy giving up, it has been made pretty obvious that this injury is merely preventing him from playing pro hockey. It's not like he's ruining his civilian life by making it worse in trying to make a comeback.

It's a shitty situation the Avs are in with Landeskog, and there really isn't a solution. Even him coming back isn't really a solution, because it's going to make our cap situation that much worse and stuff needs to be figured out.

It's just like anyone who has "retired" while on LTIR - eventually it gets to a point where they know they can't play and their career comes to an end. Landeskog likely isn't going to keep trying if he can't return to hockey after 3 full years off.

 

[LOFIN]

It's just like anyone who has "retired" while on LTIR - eventually it gets to a point where they know they can't play and their career comes to an end. Landeskog likely isn't going to keep trying if he can't return to hockey after 3 full years off.

And with a lot of these players, it's usually about:

- Being old
Landy is still kinda in his prime as far as hockey players go by age
- At the end of their contracts
Landy still has 4 more years left
- The injury makes it impossible for even try to make a comeback
Either pain, physical ability, or risk for quality of life outside of playing hockey. Once again, not applicable for Landy
- Their personal life situation made them walk away.
Datsuyk and Hossa for an example, when they wanted to return home. Once again, not really applicable for Landeskog, at least not for now.

Maybe one day, he gets tired about this and calls it quits. But I would argue it would have to be because one of the four reasons above (or if someone can name a fift one be my guest). At this point, only the latter two applicable. Neither seems likely.

 

[dahrougem2]

And with a lot of these players, it's usually about:

- Being old
Landy is still kinda in his prime as far as hockey players go by age
- At the end of their contracts
Landy still has 4 more years left
- The injury makes it impossible for even try to make a comeback
Either pain, physical ability, or risk for quality of life outside of playing hockey. Once again, not applicable for Landy
- Their personal life situation made them walk away.
Datsuyk and Hossa for an example, when they wanted to return home. Once again, not really applicable for Landeskog, at least not for now.

Maybe one day, he gets tired about this and calls it quits. But I would argue it would have to be because one of the four reasons above (or if someone can name a fift one be my guest). At this point, only the latter two applicable. Neither seems likely.

Landeskog turns 33 next season. Shea Weber walked away when he was 35, ditto Carey Price. It's not like Landeskog is still in his prime at all, he's on the downswing of his career. A lot of these LTIR guys also have several years remaining on their deals.

 

[LOFIN]

Landeskog turns 33 next season. Shea Weber walked away when he was 35, ditto Carey Price. It's not like Landeskog is still in his prime at all, he's on the downswing of his career. A lot of these LTIR guys also have several years remaining on their deals.

AFAIK both Weber and Price were in such a pain, they didn't want to continue to push it. Nothing from Landeskog so far suggests that he feels this way, as he's continuing to work out and hitting the ice from time to time.

Like I said, obviously Landeskog could wake up one day and decide "f*** this". But nothing so far indicates he's about to do that. And the Avs have absolutely zero say in this, as long as he's under contract with us.

 

[Jasenr]

Landeskog turns 33 next season. Shea Weber walked away when he was 35, ditto Carey Price. It's not like Landeskog is still in his prime at all, he's on the downswing of his career. A lot of these LTIR guys also have several years remaining on their deals.

And there is another lifetime LTIR player already in the books for Avs so its definately doable. Maybe they just want give him a better fairwell ending and just not cut him loose to retirement status yet. Who knows..

 

[LOFIN]

And there is another lifetime LTIR player already in the books for Avs so its definately doable. Maybe they just want give him a better fairwell ending and just not cut him loose to retirement status yet. Who knows..

What do you mean "cut him loose"? That's not a decision for the Avs to make. The only way to "get rid" of the Landeskog issue, is to either trade him or buy him out. He's not officially retiring, even semi-official "LTIRetiring" seems far-fetched for now and still causes problems regarding cap gymnastics.

 

[Balthazar]

Landy can collect his money, hand over the C and inform the AVS that they don’t have to keep cap space for him next season. He can still train and do his best to make a comeback one day if he feels like it. That’s the only right thing to do.

 

[Vaslof]

In theory, yes. In practice, not that easy. Now that Arizona is gone, what team would be the LTIR burial ground? Landy has a 12 team NTC, pretty sure the possible teams are easy to put on that list.

Anyone not spending to the cap should be fine. They wouldn't have to worry about him coming off of LTIR.

 

[Vaslof]

What do you mean "cut him loose"? That's not a decision for the Avs to make. The only way to "get rid" of the Landeskog issue, is to either trade him or buy him out. He's not officially retiring, even semi-official "LTIRetiring" seems far-fetched for now and still causes problems regarding cap gymnastics.

Vegas did force retire that one goalie whose name escapes me, but I would hope the Avs wouldn't stoop that low. Trading or buying out would be the ways Avs can do something about it.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

I am excited to see if Mittelstadt can be even a little more effective or productive with either Nuke or Necas on his line with Droun or Lehky.

 

[MacKaRtin]

In practice, how would you expect this to play out? Why would Landy just quit trying, when he still has a contract for 4 more seasons after this one? There's no more Arizona where to just bury his contract, so who would take him?.

If his contract is insured, there are a few budget teams that could use his contract to get to the cap floor. The floor goes up in the same proportion of the ceiling, and it's predicted that this is going to bother a few of the cheaper owners with the planned jumps in cap over the next two seasons