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Speculation: 2024-2025 General Discussion. Threads: 3. Combined goals by Luke and Zemgus: 2
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The Macho King
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JT Miller barely got more than that. Boeser isn't a bad player but he doesn't get both of our most valuable trade pieces.
RussianGuyovich
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thats a godawful trade. just because JBB doesnt value picks as much as the average HF reader does, he will value a player that has NHL potential more than a 1st rounder.
Hockeyville USA
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We SHOULD NOT trade Isaac Howard. Very open to moving Ethan Gauthier if the player(s) we acquire are above average offensive producers and fit.
The Gongshow
Fire JBB
Sky04
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I mean Miller had a full NMC and only wanted to go to one place....not the same but I wouldn't want Boeser either. He's way too inconsistent, we already have a better version of him in Guentzel.
Sucks Ottawa is in playoff contention cause Giroux would've been a good, cheap rental who could've filled RW/C.
DistantThunderRep
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f***ing garbage. Boeser sucks, you think you are frustrated by the lack of drive and offense now...Boeser is that ramped up 10x. The guy just turns off and becomes frustrating as hell. Suter same deal.. This trade makes us worse at the NHL level and we aren't even giving up any NHL assets.
You hate the players now and you want to bring in Boeser. That is hilarious.
I'd say don't trade Howard unless it's a stupid good deal for us, as in makes us better for years to come, not just the current hope-until-the-wheels-fall-off season. As in better than the Serge deal. And I'm ok if no one will give us that and we just keep our promising top line talent.
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Going to be a tough battle in these next two games against the Senators. They just demolished the Wild, won 6-0, shots 52-16. The Sens also have Tkachuk, Ostapchuk and MacEwen, all of them heavyweight fighters. Lilleberg will have his hands full.
Is he really that bad? He had 16 ppg last year and has a lethal RH shot, a big need for the team. He's not a guy I'm mortgaging blue chip pieces for but I'm not opposed to getting him at a more affordable price of like a 2nd round pick. If Vancouver were even interested in that, some team would probably outbid us, making it a moot point.
I still think what makes the most sense is targetting a young guy who needs no retention, but due for a big pay raise. We aren't after rentals and we don't have a ton of cap space, yet.
bov
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Boeser ain't it. Reminds me of guys like Vrbata and Ryder who will get you some goals and fool you into believing he's a key piece. I do think he's better than those guys but not the kind of player that will make TB a cup contender. One dimensional and soft as stated before.
JTBF81
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I agree. I also said the '26 1st+Gauthier+ for this deal in the other siscussion, but Howard likely kills it for me as well.
JTBF81
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Vancouver is doubtful to move him without at least one 1st (or equivalent ranked prosoect) coming back. He's not my top choice either, but if he's available, I'm sure JBB will at least kick tires on him.
JTBF81
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I've heard differently from other posters who also watch them regularly, so who knows what JBB and co might think. I wouldn't do the trade with Howard in it either, but getting a skd 2RW and a 3rd line winger that can score in this deal seems not the worst return for Tampa.
bov
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I don't know how people look at the makeup of this team and think Brock Boeser is who we should target. Goals are nice, RH shot is a plus but the bottom 6 would still lack identity and ultimately those are the guys you need that extra goal from. Adding a pure goal scorer shouldn't be too high on the priority list. Plus, he's not the type of player you put on a shutdown line against the world's best unlike Hagel and Cirelli. If they're getting a new RW, I'd hope it's someone more well-rounded. Tuch and Thompson (virtually impossible, I know) would be much better fits, even though the latter isn't a defensive stalwart himself.
JTBF81
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Among realistic targets that may be available, Bjorkstrand remains at the top of my board, but if Boeser is being shopped, I'm sure Tampa will have interest. Maybe one of Foerster, Evangelista or Tolvanen could be acquired, but they wouldn't come cheap given their contract status, age, and that their current teams really have no great reason to move them. Other options like Kunin, Donato, Suter etc could also be helpful for the bottom 6, which could use some additional actual goal scorers. If Tampa is looking to add on defense, with Pettersson gone and Rasmus Andersson not really a feasible option, a solid depth add such as Ferraro or Dumoulin seems reasonable. The cap numbers do limit what they can do, but it us possible for them to add 2-3 pieces between the F group and the blueline with use of retention and salary going the other way if needed.
DistantThunderRep
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I've watched his whole time in Vancouver, and Boeser is Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde. The guy when he's on, he's a lethal threat. But the problem is since his dad died, his drive isn't there anymore. Injuries took away from his shot too. Guy is a shell of his former self, the hunger and passion isn't there. He is so frustrating to watch, just floats around and barely even uses his shot. His 40 goal season, he was rocking a 19.6 S%, he's only ever had more than 200 shots twice in his career.
He's not what people think he is. He is carried by name. If you look at his stats and actual numbers, its kind of mind boggling where this crazy valuations for him show up from. If JBB is going to overpay for anyone, Boeser is not it.
I just need JBB to make a trade for somebody at this point. Soon. I cannot keep watching this bottom 6 as constructed.
Hockeyville USA
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I think he would have become a consistent 40 G guy if he didn't fall into the open bench door after Clutterbuck hit him in 2017-18. Myriad of other injuries plus his dad's worsened health and eventual death didn't help, but the back injury that ended his rookie season really hindered his development.
Stammertime91
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My, my... all this talk about how bad our bottom six is....
@Soul Assumption would you like to chime in?
@Soul Assumption would you like to chime in?
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