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Speculation: 2024-2025 General Discussion. Threads: 3. Combined goals by Luke and Zemgus: 2

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Soul Assumption said:
Rookie Geekie+ Atkinson, Goncalves, Chaffee, Glendening, Girgensons, Eyssimont
You can waive any of these players and no one will claim them. There are 0 legit NHL players in our bottom six. Does anyone seriously believe that at this point it can be fixed by trades?
Last year we traded a young RD for rental, got destroyed in the first round anyway. If anyone wants to do it again then ok. I personally don't see the point.
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Holy shit.

ITS COME FULL CIRCLE.

You went from "Fire Cooper" because he's got a great team that should be better than Washington by game #27, arguing that he should be getting more out of the bottom six, to now realizing at game #50-something that I, not you, was right all along and it's our bottom six.

Ive let the others do some disciplining but dad is back and he's here to remind you that you have much to learn young grasshopper.
 
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Stammertime91 said:
Holy shit.

ITS COME FULL CIRCLE.

You went from "Fire Cooper" because he's got a great team that should be better than Washington by game #27, arguing that he should be getting more out of the bottom six, to now realizing at game #50-something that I, not you, was right all along and it's our bottom six.

Ive let the others do some disciplining but dad is back and he's here to remind you that you have much to learn young grasshopper.
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I have no idea what you're talking about. One thing doesn't exclude the other. Bottom is bad, but that doesn't mean the 0+2 dude can't be better, just because he's been better every other season.
Top 6 can't score more than 1-2 goals for a month now. Can't score against terrible defensive teams, can't score against terrible PK teams. Weird lines, weird PP units. It's all Cooper's fault.
 
Thinking we will trade the Utah or Kings 2nd rounder to make improvements at the deadline. Whether it's for a Rakell, Bunting, or someone else, those 2nds are in a weaker draft. I'm usually in favor of keeping picks, but our team needs some help (unless we crater and should stand pat).
 
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For as bad as the bottom 6 is, Cirelli turning back into a pumpkin has really messed everything up. And I'm almost positive the league has our PP figured out. I don't see how this gets any better without better talent and a lot of it

Edit: dude. Holy f***. How is it possible we are STILL paying for the Jeannot trade and Nashville has our 1st?
 
These Are The Days said:
For as bad as the bottom 6 is, Cirelli turning back into a pumpkin has really messed everything up. And I'm almost positive the league has our PP figured out. I don't see how this gets any better without better talent and a lot of it

Edit: dude. Holy f***. How is it possible we are STILL paying for the Jeannot trade and Nashville has our 1st?
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We will recover the assets before our souls heal from the damage.
 
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These Are The Days said:
For as bad as the bottom 6 is, Cirelli turning back into a pumpkin has really messed everything up. And I'm almost positive the league has our PP figured out. I don't see how this gets any better without better talent and a lot of it

Edit: dude. Holy f***. How is it possible we are STILL paying for the Jeannot trade and Nashville has our 1st?
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Production of the entire 2nd line of Hagel-Cirelli-Geekie/whoever dropped way down in January.

Cirelli went 5-2-7 in 16 GP.
Geekie went 1-1-2 in 15 GP.
Hagel went 5-7-12 in 16 GP (would’ve been 3-6-9 without the LA game).

Now except for Geekie they were scoring at almost ppg pace in 2024. Way above Cirelli’s career average. And he’s been on 15-25 game hot/cold streaks before in his career.

The real issue is that the 1st line regressed offensively at the same time. We hit posts and missed open nets every other game.

And the bottom-6 outside of Paul (5-3-8 in 16 GP) is a non-factor offensively anyway:

Chaffee went 2-0-2 in 16 GP.
Ace went 1-1-2 in 15 GP.
Atkinson went 0-1-1 in 10 GP.
Goncalves went 0-1-1 in 7 GP.
Glendening went 0-0-0 in 16 GP.
Girgensons went 0-0-0 in 16 GP.
 
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LightningStrikes said:
Production of the entire 2nd line of Hagel-Cirelli-Geekie/whoever dropped way down in January.

Cirelli went 5-2-7 in 16 GP.
Geekie went 1-1-2 in 15 GP.
Hagel went 5-7-12 in 16 GP (would’ve been 3-6-9 without the LA game).

Now except for Geekie they were scoring at almost ppg pace in 2024. Way above Cirelli’s career average. And he’s been on 15-25 game hot/cold streaks before in his career.

The real issue is that the 1st line regressed offensively at the same time. We hit posts and missed open nets every other game. And the bottom-6 outside of Paul (5-3-8 in 16 GP) is a non-factor offensively anyway:
Chaffee went 2-0-2 in 16 GP.
Ace went 1-1-2 in 15 GP.
Atkinson went 0-1-1 in 10 GP.
Goncalves went 0-1-1 in 7 GP.
Glendening went 0-0-0 in 16 GP.
Girgensons went 0-0-0 in 16 GP.
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The problem is we are built on line 1 having that ridiculous pace they were on and never falling off. November might be the only month in 2 years of trying in which Hagel and Cirelli have played well together. Everytime I saw it work I said a quiet little prayer it wasn't the last time. All said I am more pissed we didn't reload after the repeat than I am about what we are seeing now. We could have rebuilt this entire lineup with Killorn, Cirelli and Sergachev alone. Instead we have whatever the hell this is supposed to be.

We gotta leg this out and trust JBB to find the right guys and Coop to win with them
 
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Reading the new thread title made me think: What’s up with Zemgus? His last five seasons in Buffalo before signing with us:
72-5-13-18
69-12-7-19
56-10-8-18
80-10-8-18
63-8-6-14

With us so far:
51-0-2-2

He’s never scored less than 5 goals in a season before in his career.
He’s never had less than 14 points in a season before in his career.
Those Buffalo teams have mostly been downright terrible and in any case worse than this current Lightning team.
What the hell is happening?
 
LightningStrikes said:
Reading the new thread title made me think: What’s up with Zemgus? His last five seasons in Buffalo before signing with us:
72-5-13-18
69-12-7-19
56-10-8-18
80-10-8-18
63-8-6-14

With us so far:
51-0-2-2

He’s never scored less than 5 goals in a season before in his career.
He’s never had less than 14 points in a season before in his career.
Those Buffalo teams have mostly been downright terrible and in any case worse than this current Lightning team.
What the hell is happening?
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If him running into a barrier/gate with his car is any sign, maybe his eye sight is like the guy from the Waterboy?

Hes the worst offensive player I've seen us ice in at least ten years. The guy kills every play and rarely touches the puck. There's no pulse to our offense when he's on the ice.
 
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LightningStrikes said:
Reading the new thread title made me think: What’s up with Zemgus? His last five seasons in Buffalo before signing with us:
72-5-13-18
69-12-7-19
56-10-8-18
80-10-8-18
63-8-6-14

With us so far:
51-0-2-2

He’s never scored less than 5 goals in a season before in his career.
He’s never had less than 14 points in a season before in his career.
Those Buffalo teams have mostly been downright terrible and in any case worse than this current Lightning team.
What the hell is happening?
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His ice time per game was:
11:50 in 2023-2024
12:58 in 2022-2023
14:47 in 2021-2022

He is just north of 11 min now (11:12). Not drastically different from last season, but 3-4 min and likely better line mates/opportunites do make a difference.

3/10 goals in 2021-2022 were PPG. He also got PP time in 2022-2023; not sure about last season.
 
aylib said:
His ice time per game was:
11:50 in 2023-2024
12:58 in 2022-2023
14:47 in 2021-2022

He is just north of 11 min now (11:12). Not drastically different from last season, but 3-4 min and likely better line mates/opportunites do make a difference.

3/10 goals in 2021-2022 were PPG. He also got PP time in 2022-2023; not sure about last season.
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PP time wasn’t much of a factor though outside of 2021-22 when he had 4 PPP (out of 18 total points).
But yeah TOI and line mates is a factor. He’s been a 3rd liner in the early 2020s I think.
 
If JBB can make the cap work, perhaps a package deal for Kunin and Ferraro from San Jose could work. It addresses the middle 6 and the defense. Then go after a top 6 RW such as Boeser, Bjorkstrand, Palmieri, Rakell etc or a younger player like Foerster, Evangelista, Tolvanen maybe to add more depth to the top 9. With retention and perhaps involving a 3rd team (for the S.J. deal primarily), as well as sending some salary back in at least one trade, the cap could end up working for this season, then of course there's a great deal of cap flexibility beginning next year.
 
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Our bottom six is comprised of Nick Paul and then exclusively players making near league minimum and we're surprised that we lack scoring depth?

Girgensons/Glendenning/Eyssimont is a solid 4th line, get some wingers for Paul at the deadline and we'll have a much better looking team. We have like a very identifiable need that isn't even that expensive to acquire and we're ready to pack it up because of a bad month (that we haven't even been playing that poorly in).

Is anyone actually watching Florida/Toronto? neither of them look particularly good either.
 
creg said:
Our bottom six is comprised of Nick Paul and then exclusively players making near league minimum and we're surprised that we lack scoring depth?

Girgensons/Glendenning/Eyssimont is a solid 4th line, get some wingers for Paul at the deadline and we'll have a much better looking team. We have like a very identifiable need that isn't even that expensive to acquire and we're ready to pack it up because of a bad month (that we haven't even been playing that poorly in).

Is anyone actually watching Florida/Toronto? neither of them look particularly good either.
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Well, they're atop the division and anytime I watch Florida or Toronto I see a team that will smoke us in the playoffs as it stands right now. Those teams are at the stage where you can't get caught up in some subpar play in the regular season, similar to TB. Their goal is the cup as well. They're built better for it and have shown they can play any kind of game you want. To me it's not even comparable right now. We could go on a 10 game win streak with this roster and it wouldn't change my opinion on how we match up with those teams in the postseason. They recognized how to build a cup contender, in part probably because of our own reign, and you can see it in the way they play at the top of their game. I know people chirp Toronto for being unproven, but anyone who knows the game sees they're a true powerhouse now.

You can't be the best every year so there's no shame in it, but this group is not on the same level as those teams. Bolts need a minimum of 2 impact players to be back in that conversation imo. Right now in the East alone, I would favor healthy Panthers, Leafs, Hurricanes, and probably the Rangers and Capitals (50/50 on this one) over the Lightning in a playoff matchup. I'm a broken record at this point but still can't help myself, the team is not built to go deep.
 
Nothing being said is wrong, but no matter how good or bad a team is, once you get into the postseason you're just looking at slightly better or worse odds of winning. A bounce here or there, running into a hot goalie, a fluke injury at the wrong time to a star player, just a bad matchup. We don't need to be the best team to beat our opponent in a 7 game series.

Our 1st cup was against Calgary they were the last seed. Montreal was the worst team when we beat them in 22. We all know about how we got swept in 2019, but the other three top seeds lost in round 1 as well. Florida was the 8th seed in 23 when they beat a 135 point Boston team and made the cup finals. The list goes on and on. Improve your odds the best you can but most importantly just get in!
 
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Rschmitz said:
Nothing being said is wrong, but no matter how good or bad a team is, once you get into the postseason you're just looking at slightly better or worse odds of winning. A bounce here or there, running into a hot goalie, a fluke injury at the wrong time to a star player, just a bad matchup. We don't need to be the best team to beat our opponent in a 7 game series.

Our 1st cup was against Calgary they were the last seed. Montreal was the worst team when we beat them in 22. We all know about how we got swept in 2019, but the other three top seeds lost in round 1 as well. Florida was the 8th seed in 23 when they beat a 135 point Boston team and made the cup finals. The list goes on and on. Improve your odds the best you can but most importantly just get in!
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Yes but that implies you have the depth & defense good enough to go far. We're not good enough with either.

And our tendency to struggle with the long change plus the uncanny/horrific ability to make one mistake and it end up in the back of our net is the recipe for losing playoff overtime games, which we've done consistently over the past few playoffs.
 
I saw this trade proposal for Tampa-Vancoucer:
Tampa
Brock Boeser (50% retained)
Pius Suter
'25 4th (Ottawa)

Vancouver
'26 1st
Isaac Howard

Any thoughts? I'd want some protections on the '26 1st, and likely only feel good about it if an extension with Boeser was a sure thing. Even then, moving Howard seems questionable.
 
With Detroit winning tonight we temporarily fall out of a playoff berth by one point. We have two games in hand on them and Columbus though.
 
LightningStrikes said:
With Detroit winning tonight we temporarily fall out of a playoff berth by one point. We have two games in hand on them and Columbus though.
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Games in hand mean absolutely nothing when we lose basically all our games though

JTBF81 said:
I saw this trade proposal for Tampa-Vancoucer:
Tampa
Brock Boeser (50% retained)
Pius Suter
'25 4th (Ottawa)

Vancouver
'26 1st
Isaac Howard

Any thoughts? I'd want some protections on the '26 1st, and likely only feel good about it if an extension with Boeser was a sure thing. Even then, moving Howard seems questionable.
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It would be a no from me unless boeser agreed to an extension
 
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