Speculation: 2024-2025 General Discussion III

[DistantThunderRep]

Here's another off hand name that might be fun to think about, Jordan Kyrou.

I really think, starting next year, that's gonna be average 2nd line money.

His play this year is moving him away from second line, the way I see it he's on his decline. If he wants more term, no chance. A lot of these players are going to realize that with higher cap, they are going to get shorter terms. $8M might be a standard for a second liner, 5 years + won't be.

 

[DFC]

Here's another off hand name that might be fun to think about, Jordan Kyrou.


His play this year is moving him away from second line, the way I see it he's on his decline. If he wants more term, no chance. A lot of these players are going to realize that with higher cap, they are going to get shorter terms. $8M might be a standard for a second liner, 5 years + won't be.

I think they're just going by percentages. Even now that we aren't getting discounts, we wound up with a lot of steals. But we are about to see Marner ask for McDavid money. And likely get it. That will trickle down.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I think they're just going by percentages. Even now that we aren't getting discounts, we wound up with a lot of steals. But we are about to see Marner ask for McDavid money. And likely get it. That will trickle down.

Sure, I'm not arguing that, my point is that eventually players will see teams won't be giving out 8 year deals unless you're a massive star or signing very team friendly salary deals. Players will either get the new standard salary minus the term, or the term plus lower yearly salary. You're not going to see owners shelling out $9M/8 years for Brock Boeser. You'll see owners shelling out $9M for 3 years though. It won't be now, but it will happen sooner rather than later.

 

[Sky04]

Sure, I'm not arguing that, my point is that eventually players will see teams won't be giving out 8 year deals unless you're a massive star or signing very team friendly salary deals. Players will either get the new standard salary minus the term, or the term plus lower yearly salary. You're not going to see owners shelling out $9M/8 years for Brock Boeser. You'll see owners shelling out $9M for 3 years though. It won't be now, but it will happen sooner rather than later.

That's never going to happen as long as it's an option, a GM somewhere will always cave on term and worry about it later if it lands them the player now.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Our PP is pretty lethal. I wouldn't spend assets on trying to get it to #1. I'd rather keep improving 5v5.

Rankings are a nevermind to me. I just want to know what the plan is when teams swamp Point in the slot. Or just Kucherov in the corner on the power play in the post season. If you answered "Move Kucherov to the left circle to open Jake up on the right" I'd at least say you had a good idea because I'm short on any other real answers

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

McDonagh asked to be traded back and he was still an excellent player which why it made sense.

Stamkos is worthless even at 4M, what does he bring that we lack? Nothing. Biggest weaknesses last year? ES scoring and defense, Stamkos makes both of those worse and our PP is already top-5, take out the beginning of year adjustment and it's a top-3 PP in the league, why would we trade for a guy with no points in 11 straight games AND take his contract for 3 more years? Make it make sense.

The $4 million for the corpse of Steven Stamkos sleep walking to like 19 goals is supposed to make sense after the cap goes up. It would already be better than all but like 6 forwards in our lineup.

And again it's not about PP efficency. It's about giving the best guy on the planet not named McDavid another right handed option that isn't *checks notes* Mitchell Chaffee when Point inevitably has 3 guys swallowing him up.

I mean. We can trade for someone like a Tage Thompson. That makes senss all day. But that'll cost Cirelli or Cernak



ROR speaks for himself. I love that dude

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Our PP is pretty lethal. I wouldn't spend assets on trying to get it to #1. I'd rather keep improving 5v5.

It's more about giving Kucherov more options than anything else. Historically under Jon Cooper, we lose our series because we can't buy a goal. The only 3 exceptions were Montreal with Lindback, the CBJ disaster and Toronto with broken Vasy. I don’t see that being our downfall

 

[JoVel]

You don't have morals. Nothing new, Benedict Jovel.

I have some morals, but they're on hold when discussing sports.

 

[DFC]

It's more about giving Kucherov more options than anything else. Historically under Jon Cooper, we lose our series because we can't buy a goal. The only 3 exceptions were Montreal with Lindback, the CBJ disaster and Toronto with broken Vasy. I don’t see that being our downfall

That's just playoff hockey. A better PP isn't really the answer. Especially when 5v5 is still a bigger weakness.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

That's just playoff hockey. A better PP isn't really the answer. Especially when 5v5 is still a bigger weakness.

As long as it doesn't bite us continuously.

Last year our 5 on 5 was not only bad, our PP consisted of 5 guys that didn't move from their spots and couldn't believe it when the Panthers read every play before it happened. If Stamkos is gone then que sera, sera. I don't need a reunion to be happy.

But with the right moves, I AM bullish on us winning another title even as soon as next year. We have most of our championship core left and it's just about getting some better pieces around them than what we have now

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

@DFC For the heck of it, how much is too much for Rantanen in your book? Because I am just about as on board with it as one can be. Marchand would be something else too...

 

[JoVel]

He didn't sign with the Avs and now the Canes are rumored to looking to trade him again if he's not locked in my TDL. He clearly wants to get paid big time, to the point where he'd be 3-4 million more expensive than anyone else on this team.

 

[Rschmitz]

That's just playoff hockey. A better PP isn't really the answer. Especially when 5v5 is still a bigger weakness.

We made it to within a goal of the Stanley Cup with just a dominant special teams in 2011, but I agree it's best to focus on 5v5

 

[Flat Ronnie]

That's just playoff hockey. A better PP isn't really the answer. Especially when 5v5 is still a bigger weakness.

I could be wrong, and I'm not trying to disprove your point, but didn't we lose in the playoffs one year (maybe it was against Avs I can't remember) because our PP was horrible?

 

[Rschmitz]

McDonagh asked to be traded back and he was still an excellent player which why it made sense.

Stamkos is worthless even at 4M, what does he bring that we lack? Nothing. Biggest weaknesses last year? ES scoring and defense, Stamkos makes both of those worse and our PP is already top-5, take out the beginning of year adjustment and it's a top-3 PP in the league, why would we trade for a guy with no points in 11 straight games AND take his contract for 3 more years? Make it make sense.

That's a stretch, but I have no desire to give up any assets to bring him back.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

That's never going to happen as long as it's an option, a GM somewhere will always cave on term and worry about it later if it lands them the player now.

I see it going the other way as salary bloated the terms will come down like the NBA. I can also see the owners having this as a point of contention in the next CBA. It would be understandable for them to provision what max term is and how you can extra years extra. If the average salary becomes around $4M-$5M, they are going to have to do this. Hell, we are getting to the point where league minimum contracts are going to be close to $1M-$1.2M.

 

[aylib]

Going into playoffs Id take excellent 5-5 vs excellent PP any day of the week.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Colorado is one of those teams that doesn't waste any time. I feel like when they want something done they pull the trigger.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Mere 7 days till TDL.