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On McLeod:

he’s so close to ufa. It’s tough to guess what the Sabres will offer him to stay, what would get it done.

I would have to guess the Sabres want him with how they used him the second half of the season.

But in the case McLeod doesn’t want to be a Sabre - he’s probably not going to sign an offer sheets and give the Sabres a chance to match? Unless the offer sheet contract walks him to ufa in which case we have a full blown gm war between the Sabres and whoever screwed them into losing the asset?

it’s hard to decide what value the guy has without knowing what he’s wanting to sign for. Or whether he’d even sign an offer sheet for anything besides a ufa deal.
 
There’s been some talk here about Lafrenière.

I am a fan of his and see fire boiling to eruption. I would love to get Laffy on this team. Yes!
 
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ChicagoBlues said:
There’s been some talk here about Lafrenière.

I am a fan of his and see fire boiling to eruption. I would love to get Laffy on this team. Yes!
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I would also love to get him. He has not displayed the 1st overall talent he was supposed to be, but he’s a solid player. Cost will be high though, so I’d be curious what the Rangers want. At 23 yrs old, he’d fit perfectly on this team.
 
STL fan in MN said:
Laffy’s another left shooting winger. Might as well get Brady Tkachuk too.

The Blues could develop a new defensive alignment where they have 3 LWs on each line. Only cover the left side of the ice. I bet it’d be so genius and successful the NHL would ban it after a year or two like MLB banned the shift.
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Need to trade Snuggy, Thomas, and Kyrou immediately and transition Bolduc and Dvo back to the LW. No centers no RW. Only LW. Faceoffs are a myth.
 
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STL fan in MN said:
Laffy’s another left shooting winger. Might as well get Brady Tkachuk too.

The Blues could develop a new defensive alignment where they have 3 LWs on each line. Only cover the left side of the ice. I bet it’d be so genius and successful the NHL would ban it after a year or two like MLB banned the shift.
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I get the humor and enjoy it. In today's NHL though, quite a few wingers actually prefer their off-wing, as the Russian/European influence has had an impact there. But yeah, we could use another righty.....same on defense.
 
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TruBlueFan1970 said:
I get the humor and enjoy it. In today's NHL though, quite a few wingers actually prefer their off-wing, as the Russian/European influence has had an impact there. But yeah, we could use another righty.....same on defense.
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Yeah, that was like 90% a joke but 10% pointing out we are already way overloaded on left shooting players, at both forward and D lol.
 
If the Blues can move Faulk, Leddy, and of lesser priority Krug (to a team that needs his LTIR space), Armstrong will have a good chunk of space to address 2C and top 4 RHD in FA without having to dip into the current NHL roster or futures to make a hockey trade.

Leddy - 16 team trade list
Faulk - 15 team no trade list
Krug - 15 team no trade list

I'm assuming that Faulk and Leddy currently have positive value around the league and the Blues wouldn't have to add to move either. Not expecting a huge return but maybe a mid round pick and/or swap of veteran contracts? The Blues don't need to move Krug but it would be nice to clear his contract off the books anyways to a team in need of an LTIR contract (see Shea Weber trade for reference).
 
WeWentBlues said:
If the Blues can move Faulk, Leddy, and of lesser priority Krug (to a team that needs his LTIR space), Armstrong will have a good chunk of space to address 2C and top 4 RHD in FA without having to dip into the current NHL roster or futures to make a hockey trade.

Leddy - 16 team trade list
Faulk - 15 team no trade list
Krug - 15 team no trade list

I'm assuming that Faulk and Leddy currently have positive value around the league and the Blues wouldn't have to add to move either. Not expecting a huge return but maybe a mid round pick and/or swap of veteran contracts? The Blues don't need to move Krug but it would be nice to clear his contract off the books anyways to a team in need of an LTIR contract (see Shea Weber trade for reference).
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Does this type of team even exist anymore though? Arizona was that team but that was when they were trying to play budget gymnastics - trying to acquire contracts that carried a large AAV, ideally low salary and with the actual salary mostly covered by insurance. This allowed them to technically meet the Cap minimum while having an actual budget of real world dollars they were spending on players that was much much lower. Now that they’re not a dumpster fire of an organization anymore, is there really much value in these LTIR contracts like Weber, Krug etc?

That said, your point on Faulk and Leddy are spot on and I completely agree.
 
STL fan in MN said:
Does this type of team even exist anymore though? Arizona was that team but that was when they were trying to play budget gymnastics - trying to acquire contracts that carried a large AAV, ideally low salary and with the actual salary mostly covered by insurance. This allowed them to technically meet the Cap minimum while having an actual budget of real world dollars they were spending on players that was much much lower. Now that they’re not a dumpster fire of an organization anymore, is there really much value in these LTIR contracts like Weber, Krug etc?

That said, your point on Faulk and Leddy are spot on and I completely agree.
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CBJ is really the only team in danger of not hitting the cap floor. I believe the grace period from the Gaudreau tragedy will expire this offseason or maybe it already has. I don't remember how all of that shook out.

Depending on what happens on Long Island, I could see NYI being in need of some cap filler too.

You're right tho, the days of "let's just send this guy who will never play again to Arizona" (or whatever team) are over. For now.
 
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MortiestOfMortys said:
CBJ is really the only team in danger of not hitting the cap floor. I believe the grace period from the Gaudreau tragedy will expire this offseason or maybe it already has. I don't remember how all of that shook out.

Depending on what happens on Long Island, I could see NYI being in need of some cap filler too.

You're right tho, the days of "let's just send this guy who will never play again to Arizona" (or whatever team) are over. For now.
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I imagine some team will step up to fill that void eventually, I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen sooner than later if teams are trying to tank for McKenna
 
STL fan in MN said:
Laffy’s another left shooting winger. Might as well get Brady Tkachuk too.

The Blues could develop a new defensive alignment where they have 3 LWs on each line. Only cover the left side of the ice. I bet it’d be so genius and successful the NHL would ban it after a year or two like MLB banned the shift.
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Sounds great!
 
WeWentBlues said:
If the Blues can move Faulk, Leddy, and of lesser priority Krug (to a team that needs his LTIR space), Armstrong will have a good chunk of space to address 2C and top 4 RHD in FA without having to dip into the current NHL roster or futures to make a hockey trade.

Leddy - 16 team trade list
Faulk - 15 team no trade list
Krug - 15 team no trade list

I'm assuming that Faulk and Leddy currently have positive value around the league and the Blues wouldn't have to add to move either. Not expecting a huge return but maybe a mid round pick and/or swap of veteran contracts? The Blues don't need to move Krug but it would be nice to clear his contract off the books anyways to a team in need of an LTIR contract (see Shea Weber trade for reference).
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Yeah, I would be happy to move any of the three, but preferably Leddy and Krug. Leddy looked bad in the playoffs and I wonder if his injury that was never really disclosed has limited him going forward. In his season ending presser, Army all but said Krug is done with his playing career.

With Krug, I could more see a team needing to get to the cap floor taking him than someone at the cap looking for LTIR space which is a more complex transaction. Bottom feeders who are still a couple years fr contention might take Krug for a mid round pick and then let the insurance reimburse them for the contract cost, but help them get closer to the floor like Utah did with the Weber contract. Specifically, the Sharks ($43m), Jackets ($41m), Ducks ($38m) and Hawks ($31m) could use him after they finish filling out their rosters.
 
Teams that are up against the cap have also traded for these guaranteed LTIR players. Vegas traded for Shea Weber in June 2022 for cap purposes. Either way, Krug's contract on the books isn't a hindrance to going out and adding to payroll.
 
WeWentBlues said:
Teams that are up against the cap have also traded for these guaranteed LTIR players. Vegas traded for Shea Weber in June 2022 for cap purposes. Either way, Krug's contract on the books isn't a hindrance to going out and adding to payroll.
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We only have a shade under $6.0 million in space before any trades. Krug isn’t a hindrance, since you can technically put him on LTIR before the season (has some downside), but it would be better if we just had his space outright. One of Leddy, Krug or Faulk must go, and Faulk is the best of the three to keep if you are looking at actual production.
 
jjniner said:
What could we get for a Faulk/Kyrou trade?
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I think for Faulk you’re probably in a place where it’s tough to move him, although there are tailwinds: His contract has some upfront distribution which has left 4.5 due to the player each year while carrying the 6.5 cap hit. He also plays a position that seems generally thin throughout the league.

He’s changing from a full no trade to a 15 team no trade on July 1st.

I think at best you’d get an equal type of player in return if there so happened to be some perfect trading dance partner or youd pay to dump if you were pushing to do it asap. For 6.5 you’re probably paying a 2nd plus. Not gonna be many folk available to help you. The ones that are will squeeze.

If you wait til the ufa signing dust settles then onward you’ll start to build up the chance at a positive return, especially if Faulk is playing well. Since we don’t need the dudes $ off the books specifically for the ufa period it would be a safe bet we don’t deal with him til after.

Idk what I’d do. We don’t have somebody else for the icetime, so until we do, that’s what I think I’d work on. The nice thing is that if it takes another year - we got coverage.
 
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I'm in the business of making the team better now, considering that we're entering our competitive window. Any significant trade I'm making is to make the team better now or within the next 2 or 3 seasons. If I'm trading Kyrou, I'm adding to him to get the best player in the deal, a guy that's similarly aged and signed long term through their prime like Kyrou is. If that trade doesn't exist, I guess we'll have to stick with our top line winger with elite speed that's signed to a great deal through their prime. Horrible, I know.
 
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I just hope one of Neighbours, Bolduc, or Snuggerud can break out into a 35 goal scorer by next year if we trade Kyrou.

We're already a pretty meh offensive team. Subtract Kyrou’s goals from last year's team and we would have the 3rd worst offense in the league. He was also tied for 5th in the league in 5v5 goals.
 
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Kyrou for JJ Peterka and Helenius.

JJ is immediate replacement for Kyrou, and Helenius gives us another shot at finding a future 2C, if Dvo doesnt pan out or moved to the wing.
 
LetsGoBooze said:
Kyrou for JJ Peterka and Helenius.

JJ is immediate replacement for Kyrou, and Helenius gives us another shot at finding a future 2C, if Dvo doesnt pan out or moved to the wing.
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Why does Buffalo do this? I see zero reason for them.

It also doesn't fix our 2 main issues of a center or RHD that can produce in the NHL right now.
 
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