2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[BleedBlue14]

Schenn & Neighbors? They all out produced him while playing a much grittier and physical game.

He makes 8 million, he needs to be a driver, not a freeloader waiting for other people to carry him. No compete factor with him, just a total pushover.

What did you consider Tarasenko as?

 

[JMarks3]

You’re he’s ily cherry-picking. Huberdeau had a 100 point season the year of the trade or the year before. I don’t think points matter a whole bunch for defenseman. But Parayko wasn’t having one of his high end years at that time.

You just cherry-picked too.

Time for shut eye. G'night.

 

[BleedBlue14]

You just cherry-picked too.

Time for shut eye. G'night.

You’re looking at a trade 3 years ago and pointing towards those guys stats this past season.

What am I cherry picking?

Sure if Calgary had a crystal ball the stats for each player would matter this year

 

[TheDizee]

What did you consider Tarasenko as?

What version of Tarasenko?

Because he was 100% a gamebreaker and a much better and complete player than Kyrou up until 22-23. He also was not afraid to reverse hit from time to time, why do you think he got the nickname Tank or whatever it was. I never questioned Tarasenko's effort, grit or teamplay.

 

[TheDizee]

Kyrou had as many points as the captain of the team Schenn, and a better +/-. Where is your Schenn criticism? Your fair, unbiased even-handed assessment of those two players is staggering to behold. I won't go into advanced stats because I know you hate those but it paints a worse picture for Schenn.

Kyrou could have played much better. But sometimes a poor playoff is just a cold snap, and not a sign of a consistent poor playoff performer. Every player over the course of 90 games will have slumps where they don't score a ton. We can't say he is a bad playoff performer. You may forget, this is only the 2nd playoffs since Kyrou broke out. We made it his first 2 years, and then he had 9 points in 12 games his 3rd year. Then we missed for 2 years. So we cannot say he is bad in the playoffs. We have 2 sample sizes when he was a top 6 player. One was good, this one less so. But he still has more points, goals, point per game and goal per game than any Blue not named Thomas over the course of the season+ playoffs. And it's not even close.

Blanick didn't insult anyone. He said the statement was ridiculous because the statement was ridiculous. Snuggerud passed Kyrou on the depth chart because of a 7-game sample size where Snuggerud was the worst defensive player on the team by a country mile and had one more point because he was stapled to the best player on our team? Give me a break. Nobody who is objective believes that.

And the lumping of criticism into one pile is because there is pretty good evidence that it is one pile. Same talking points, same posting style, same verbiage, posts and likes each other posts at the same times. It is not difficult at all to have multiple accounts on here. One for the phone on free email address #1 and one for the tablet on free email address #2.

Who are you implying that Reality Czech is a alt account of? We do not need passive aggressiveness here, we want to hear names.

We eagerly await your answer

 

[The Note]

Setting aside everything else I still have yet to see why Ottawa is trading their captain and one of their best forwards for soft, choking loser Kyrou? Especially after the Sens finally broke through and made the playoffs. Are the Sens duty bound to send him here because he’s from STL?

If you want Brady on this team, hope he gets to UFA and be ready to fork over a ton of money and a NMC.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Do you have anything to back this up? I don't watch the islanders so this is a legit question. Also, Faulk is not defense or offense so that comparison is bad.

Eye test, Islanders fans. Read some of the Noah Dobson thread on the NYI board.

Also younger Faulk was very much an Offensive defenseman. He's not great now. But at one time he was a 40-50 point defenseman.

 

[TheOrganist]

Did you see Kyrou in the playoffs? Thomas' contact is already a steal but Kyrou has a ways to go to achieving that. The two aren't even in the same league as NHL players. One is a true line driver and playmaker who makes his linemates better while the other is a supporting player who needs a specific type of linemate to excel. Not to mention the type of game that is neutralized.

You post the same shit about Kyrou every time. It’s a schtick at this point.

 

[greybush314]

Anaheim is rumored to be looking for a top end winger with term to pair with their young centers. Would you do Zegras, Luneau(RHD prospect that will be a NHL player next year) and the 10 OA for Kyrou?

Neighbours-Thomas-Snuggerrud
Holloway-Zegras-Bolduc
Schenn-Dvorsky-Buchnevich
WTF

 

[ScratchCatFever]

My god. Some of you are just going to be flatout unbearable for the next 6 months, huh? I don't believe in muting people. Imo, it's the equivalent of a toddler plugging their ears and saying "la la la la" and storming out of the room. And for the record, my 7 year old is handling this loss with more maturity and grace than the usual basket casers. I really hope the players glance at this page once in a while and have a nice gut laugh.

 

[greybush314]

One reason I think the Blues should trade Kyrou is Snuggerud and Bolduc have proven to have the grit and tenacity that Kyrou lacks and should be able to score 20g/60p minimum next year.I think Snuggerud could be a ppg player and Bolduc can score 35. Bolduc is much more physical and defensively sound than Kyrou.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Did you see Kyrou in the playoffs? Thomas' contact is already a steal but Kyrou has a ways to go to achieving that. The two aren't even in the same league as NHL players. One is a true line driver and playmaker who makes his linemates better while the other is a supporting player who needs a specific type of linemate to excel. Not to mention the type of game that is neutralized in the playoffs.



When all else fails, let's insult the people who have a different opinion. This debate "tactic" is becoming all too common these days and I thought you were better than that. No one should take Dizee seriously anymore though many still seem to, but lumping all Kyrou criticism into one pile is lazy.

The fact is our co-highest paid player didn't step up when we needed him most. No one is saying get rid of him just for the sake of it but his name should be fair game for discussion.

Where did Blanick insult you? It didn’t happen.

As for the bolded, yes it quite literally is happening.

 

[greybush314]

As much as I'd like to move on from Faulk, finding a replacement will prove to be very difficult imo.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

When all else fails, let's insult the people who have a different opinion. This debate "tactic" is becoming all too common these days and I thought you were better than that. No one should take Dizee seriously anymore though many still seem to, but lumping all Kyrou criticism into one pile is lazy.

Did you just chastise someone for insulting people with different opinions while simultaneously stating you shouldn’t take a poster on this board seriously? Tad hypocritical don’t you think?

 

[bleedblue1223]

Anaheim is rumored to be looking for a top end winger with term to pair with their young centers. Would you do Zegras, Luneau(RHD prospect that will be a NHL player next year) and the 10 OA for Kyrou?

Neighbours-Thomas-Snuggerrud
Holloway-Zegras-Bolduc
Schenn-Dvorsky-Buchnevich
WTF

I don't know if I'd acquire Zegras for C, but I'm curious what he'd do away from Cronin.

 

[Majorityof1]

One reason I think the Blues should trade Kyrou is Snuggerud and Bolduc have proven to have the grit and tenacity that Kyrou lacks and should be able to score 20g/60p minimum next year.I think Snuggerud could be a ppg player and Bolduc can score 35. Bolduc is much more physical and defensively sound than Kyrou.

Hey, I got these magic beans which if you plant them, water them and everything goes right, will sprout $100 bill. I'll sell them to you for $100 each. Hows that sound?

in other words, you want to trade Kyrou because we have a guy who maybe one day produce as much as Kyrou.

 

[ds774622]

30-goal scorers don't just grow on trees, and Kyrou has hit 36, 31, and 37 the last three years. Kyrou isn't (i.e., shouldn't be) going anywhere.

I was texting a friend right after the Game 7 loss and I mentioned that I was happy with the season but the sting of the collapse raised a couple red flags. One being Faulk should not be in our top 4, and the other being Kyrou's passiveness during the playoffs. The announcer on the national broadcast (don't remember if it was Olczyk or Boucher) even called it out. He just wouldn't engage physically.

With more time to reflect, I'm eager to see if he was battling through an injury, likely caused by that Stanley hit. But I would not trade Kryou and create a top scorer hole to fill; you need better support for him. And let's be honest, we were robbed of not seeing how Kyrou and Holloway could potentially light it up during the postseason.

You'd like to see typical player progression next year from the young guns and hope for a bounce back from Buchy, but to support Kyrou you really need a 2C upgrade. I can live with the back end for another year, but if we need a 2C and a 2RHD, then I'd prioritize the 2C assuming we can only pull one of the two off. Defense I'm less concerned about if Leddy goes back to 3LHD. I thought he was horrible playing his off-side, so moving on from Suter and having Leddy-Tucker as your 3rd pair isn't THAT bad.

 

[Brian39]

Depending on how camp goes I would really like to see a Holloway - Thomas - Kyrou line next year.

The problem I have with this line comes down to what I believe is our biggest roster problem: the lack of another top 6 center who can pick up the slack.

Right now, we need Thomas matching up against the other team's top lines and playing in all situations. But I really, really want the Holloway/Kyrou line playing every possible offensive situation. Putting all 3 together given the current center construction means decreasing Holloway/Kyrou's offensive usage (and asking them to spend more focus defending) or reducing Thomas' role matching up against top competition and increasing the difficulty of defensive assignments for Bolduc, Snuggy, and Neighbours without great center support.

I really struggle to put together 2nd and 3rd lines that I like if all 3 of them are together and the combos I like most would demand heavy sheltering for at least one of them, which is going to take offensive opportunities from Holloway/Kyrou. Which largely defeats the purpose of loading up the top line.

If we upgrade at 2C, then I'm happy to consider doing that, but until then I think we need to build around the framework of Holloway/Kyrou with massive offensive deployment and Thomas going head-to-head with the opponent's top line.

 

[TheOrganist]

30-goal scorers don't just grow on trees, and Kyrou has hit 36, 31, and 37 the last three years. Kyrou isn't (i.e., shouldn't be) going anywhere.

Right. Another thing people forget is that half the battle these days in the age of the cap/extreme parity is just MAKING the playoffs. Having a guy you could can mark in ink for 30-35 goals at $8.1 million shouldn’t be taken for granted. The next conversation is can you WIN with Kyrou and we are not even remotely close to that determination. Hell, the guy just scored in Game 7.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Right. Another thing people forget is that half the battle these days in the age of the cap/extreme parity is just MAKING the playoffs. Having a guy you could can mark in ink for 30-35 goals at $8.1 million shouldn’t be taken for granted. The next conversation is can you WIN with Kyrou and we are not even remotely close to that determination. Hell, the guy just scored in Game 7.

I’m more concerned about constructing an effective 2nd line than I am at moving Kyrou. I think we can live with his game, good and bad, if you dilute it a little bit with some more options. His production at that salary will be hard to beat or replace.

I want him to become a complimentary player like when we had 20 goal scorers coming out of our ears. Let Snuggerud grow into a 30 goal guy with a solid top 6 center and another good winger. Kyrou will suddenly fit in a lot better in that team.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Hey, I got these magic beans which if you plant them, water them and everything goes right, will sprout $100 bill. I'll sell them to you for $100 each. Hows that sound?

in other words, you want to trade Kyrou because we have a guy who maybe one day produce as much as Kyrou.

Well, over the next three seasons before he undoubtedly matches Kyrou's best we get "grit" and "tenacity."

 

[Beauterham]

Anaheim is rumored to be looking for a top end winger with term to pair with their young centers. Would you do Zegras, Luneau(RHD prospect that will be a NHL player next year) and the 10 OA for Kyrou?

Neighbours-Thomas-Snuggerrud
Holloway-Zegras-Bolduc
Schenn-Dvorsky-Buchnevich
WTF

I don't think Anaheim would offer that to be honest.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Anaheim is rumored to be looking for a top end winger with term to pair with their young centers. Would you do Zegras, Luneau(RHD prospect that will be a NHL player next year) and the 10 OA for Kyrou?

Neighbours-Thomas-Snuggerrud
Holloway-Zegras-Bolduc
Schenn-Dvorsky-Buchnevich
WTF

If the idea is to trade Kyrou because he lacks heart/compete then why would we want to bring in Zegras? He has the same issue and of the two, I’d prefer to just keep Kyrou.

Not opposed to trading Kyrou but not for Zegras.

 

[ScratchCatFever]

If the idea is to trade Kyrou because he lacks heart/compete then why would we want to bring in Zegras? He has the same issue and of the two, I’d prefer to just keep Kyrou.

Not opposed to trading Kyrou but not for Zegras.

He's also had injury issues the last couple seasons. And if we're looking to improve at center, a one dimensional guy who hasn't shown any interest in playing a 200 foot game seems like a counterproductive move for the sake of getting rid of a guy whose blemishes on the defensive side are much less glaring than that of your second line center.

 

[Spektre]

Kyrou had as many points as the captain of the team Schenn, and a better +/-. Where is your Schenn criticism? Your fair, unbiased even-handed assessment of those two players is staggering to behold. I won't go into advanced stats because I know you hate those but it paints a worse picture for Schenn.

Kyrou could have played much better. But sometimes a poor playoff is just a cold snap, and not a sign of a consistent poor playoff performer. Every player over the course of 90 games will have slumps where they don't score a ton. We can't say he is a bad playoff performer. You may forget, this is only the 2nd playoffs since Kyrou broke out. We made it his first 2 years, and then he had 9 points in 12 games his 3rd year. Then we missed for 2 years. So we cannot say he is bad in the playoffs. We have 2 sample sizes when he was a top 6 player. One was good, this one less so. But he still has more points, goals, point per game and goal per game than any Blue not named Thomas over the course of the season+ playoffs. And it's not even close.

Blanick didn't insult anyone. He said the statement was ridiculous because the statement was ridiculous. Snuggerud passed Kyrou on the depth chart because of a 7-game sample size where Snuggerud was the worst defensive player on the team by a country mile and had one more point because he was stapled to the best player on our team? Give me a break. Nobody who is objective believes that.

And the lumping of criticism into one pile is because there is pretty good evidence that it is one pile. Same talking points, same posting style, same verbiage, posts and likes each other posts at the same times. It is not difficult at all to have multiple accounts on here. One for the phone on free email address #1 and one for the tablet on free email address #2.

Schenn has always been given a free pass.

I guess people could have multiple accounts here but why? Seems pretty weird.

The Blues are not getting Tkachuk