2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Drubilly]

Man. We’re gonna sign Perbix aren’t we? I might as well work on getting use to hearing his name several times a week.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Man. We’re gonna sign Perbix aren’t we? I might as well work on getting use to hearing his name several times a week.

Why don’t we cut through the shit and call him WaxMan.

 

[DatDude44]

Zacha seems likely because the age, term, cap hit, and familiarity with Monty all lineup with what we are looking for. Also expect Bruins to sell off non McAvoy, Pasta, Swayman pieces

He could be a decent fit in the middle of our lineup. Under 5 mill and his contract would be off the books entering his 30's.

Wonder what his asking price would be.

 

[DatDude44]

Not really a trade proposal, but an under the radar UFA signing. Nick Perbix 26 yo 6’4” RD. He’s on the 3rd pair in Tampa, but I’ve seen he has an outside chance to be a 2nd pairing guy. Fits our age group and could slot into 3rd pair on the right side even if he never reaches his potential. Could be a solid cheaper option.

agreed, like a nick jensen low key but actually good type.

 

[Beninnola]

I just checked out Dylan Larkins exit publicity…

Add him to the trade speculation.

Feels like he just wants to win. Feels like he said a lot of things that other guys say right before they’re traded.


I feel I would give up the farm for Thomas Larkin center depth…

 

[WeWentBlues]

I just checked out Dylan Larkins exit publicity…

Add him to the trade speculation.

Feels like he just wants to win. Feels like he said a lot of things that other guys say right before they’re traded.


I feel I would give up the farm for Thomas Larkin center depth…

Interesting. Wonder how close something around 2025 1st, 2026 1st, Jiricek and Dvorsky gets us. Larkin has 6 years remaining at 8.7M.

Might be a bit of an overpay. Trying to think of trade comps in recent years where No. 1 centers were moved in their prime.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Larkin has a full NTC, and he's a hometown guy in Detroit. If he's moved, he's picking his spot. I think making the playoffs and having guys like Holloway breakout, will make us a more attractive destination for some players, but I can't see us landing Larkin unless we are the only suitable offer. I just see too many other true contenders or even no-tax states that would be pushing hard for him and would have the edge.

 

[The Note]

Interesting. Wonder how close something around 2025 1st, 2026 1st, Jiricek and Dvorsky gets us. Larkin has 6 years remaining at 8.7M.

Might be a bit of an overpay. Trying to think of trade comps in recent years where No. 1 centers were moved in their prime.

You might be right that’s what they’d ask for but there’s no way I’d want the Blues paying that for Larkin. He’s a good player, but if you’re paying the equivalent of 4 firsts I’d want someone younger than him (will be 29 in July) given where the Blues are at.

 

[Stealth JD]

You might be right that’s what they’d ask for but there’s no way I’d want the Blues paying that for Larkin. He’s a good player, but if you’re paying the equivalent of 4 firsts I’d want someone younger than him (will be 29 in July) given where the Blues are at.

Larkin at 29 should give you 5 good years, and bridge the gap between Schenn and Thomas, slotting in nicely into that 2C->3C role.

I don't know that you'd want to deal your only true top-6 center prospect...but that would be an organizational void to solve for another day; as you'd be trading a potential 2C for a sure-2C.

Dvorsky + Leddy + Joseph/Texier + 19 overall

for

Larkin + NYR 3rd

 

[WeWentBlues]

You might be right that’s what they’d ask for but there’s no way I’d want the Blues paying that for Larkin. He’s a good player, but if you’re paying the equivalent of 4 firsts I’d want someone younger than him (will be 29 in July) given where the Blues are at.

Good point on the age. O'Reilly is probably more of a fair trade comp and we certainly didn't give up the equivalent value of four firsts for a disgruntled 1C on a meddling team. O'Reilly was a bit younger than Larkin is now but Larkin also has four consecutive 30 goal seasons and more 70+ point seasons going for him.

 

[Brian39]

I doubt Yzerman has the authority to trade Larkin without prior ownership approval. And if Larkin were to actually request a trade, I think that ownership steps in to move mountains to make him happy. Maybe Yzerman is ready to take some big swings this summer or maybe he would need to be instructed by ownership to take some big swings. Or maybe he would get replaced with someone who will. Ownership has allowed Yzerman to be extremely patient with a slow-build rebuild. I don't think they will allow continued patience at the expense of having to trade Larkin.

All that said, I'd hope that Army would make an aggressive offer if Larkin were remotely shopped around. His remaining contract covers his age 29 through 34 seasons at an AAV of $8.7M with no bonuses, a NTC that becomes a 10 team trade list in the last 3 years, and was front loaded similar to the Thomas/Kyrou contract. If you're talking about trying to win a Cup in the next 5 years, his contract aligns damn near perfectly and a Thomas/Larkin 1-2 punch down the middle at $16.825M against the cap would be a dream. Holloway-Larkin-Kyrou would be an absolute nightmare to play against. Combine that with Thomas/Buch and whichever young winger fits/develops/plays best and you are looking at two lines that could each make a case as a top 10 line in the league.

I'd happily offer Schenn, Dvorsky, and a 1st if Schenn doesn't have Detroit on his no trade list this summer. If Schenn does have Detroit on his no trade list, then I'd actively work with Detroit to try to make a 3 team deal done where Schenn goes somewhere else and Detroit gets some/all of the assets.

Again, I don't think Larkin is going anywhere, but I would aggressively try to land him if he does get shopped.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Interesting. Wonder how close something around 2025 1st, 2026 1st, Jiricek and Dvorsky gets us. Larkin has 6 years remaining at 8.7M.

Might be a bit of an overpay. Trying to think of trade comps in recent years where No. 1 centers were moved in their prime.

We paid 2 1sts for Schenn, there's no way I'm sending 4 1sts for Larkin

 

[Beauterham]

We paid 2 1sts for Schenn, there's no way I'm sending 4 1sts for Larkin

...and we send a capdump with those 1sts.

I guess Larkin is worth a little bit more than Schenn did at that time, but no way should we be paying 4 1st round picks value.

 

[Xerloris]

Holloway-Larkin-Kyrou would be an absolute nightmare to play against. Combine that with Thomas/Buch and whichever young winger fits/develops/plays best and you are looking at two lines that could each make a case as a top 10 line in the league.

Holloway - Larkin - Kyrou would give other team nightmares

I think Our best option for Thomas right now would be Bolduc - Thomas - Buch because Bolduc is developing into a very good player that seems defensively sound and that shot, man that shot. I think if we did Land Larkin we would definitely be looking at a serious cup run within 2-3 years and probably remaining that was for another 2-3 after that for sure.

 

[Brian39]

Larkin has pretty substantially outperformed what Schenn had when we acquired him.

Larkin has scored 30+ goals for four straight seasons and has hit the 30 goal mark five times in his career. He also has three 70+ point seasons on his resume. At the time we acquired Schenn, his career high in goals was 26 and he had three total 20+ goal seasons on his resume. His career high in points was 59 points. Schenn has still never hit the 30 goal mark and has a single 70 point season on his resume (he hit 70 on the nose).

Over the last 4 seasons, Larkin has played at a 34 goal and 78 point pace. In the 4 seasons before we acquired Schenn, he scored at a 22 goal and 51 point pace.

Over the last 4 seasons, Larkin has taken the 10th most faceoffs in the league and is 54% at the dot. Schenn was 45% at the dot in the 4 years leading up to the trade and had largely been shifted to the wing in Philly. Faceoffs aren't a massively important stat, but we're talking about a 1C vs a guy who was slotted as a winger. Schenn was below 18 minutes a night every year in Philly and was 5th in average time on ice among Philly forwards in each of his last 3 years there. Larkin has played 19:30+ a night in each of the last 8 seasons (1st on the Wings in each of the last 3 years).

Schenn has worked at center here in St. Louis, but he is still below average at a lot of center responsibilities and plenty of people have been talking about how we'd ideally prefer him at wing for years.

Larkin is consistently discussed as a top 20 center in the league. Schenn wasn't close to that when we acquired him and I don't think he ever entered that discussion while he was here. We're talking about a 1st line C vs a 2nd line W/C when we compare Larkin and the Schenn we traded for. Larkin is closer to Thomas than he is to the version of Schenn we traded for. I'm not saying that a trade for Larkin should be structured as 'four 1sts' but comparing his trade value to what we paid for Schenn is pretty pointless because Larkin is a much better player than Schenn (past and present).

 

[ToastedRavioli]

Holloway - Larkin - Kyrou could be one of the fastest lines of all time. The forward group would also be cup contender level.

Bolduc - Thomas - Buchnevich
Holloway - Larkin - Kyrou
Neighbours - Schenn - Snuggerud
Toropchenko - Sundqvist - Joseph/Walker

Not going to speculate too much on cost but I would imagine Dvorsky and our 2025 1st would be the starting point. Armstrong definitely has a responsibility to at least kick the tires and see if there is a deal there. One more top line caliber center could immediately push this team into cup contender status. With Larkin we honestly could see another season where we have around 8-9 20 goal scorers.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I'd guess Detroit would really do everything in their power to avoid another retool/rebuild. They're a storied franchise with a history of winning and have been bad for too long for Yzerman to be able to make a move like this and extend the window of missing the playoffs even longer.

I think they could potentially move off of some of their younger prospects like Danielsson and other futures (Likely not ASP) in order to try and be a bit more competitive of a team. Not sure it's really enough for what they're needing but I just can't see them playing for 3 years from now with the drought they've been in even if it seems like the smartest thing to do.

 

[bleedblue1223]

This, this right here, make it happen.

 

[Majorityof1]

This, this right here, make it happen.

What is there to be comfortable with for an ELC? Bonus amounts? Or is this a veiled hint he doesn't want to play for Vancouver with Hughes on the way out?

 

[Drubilly]

What is there to be comfortable with for an ELC? Bonus amounts? Or is this a veiled hint he doesn't want to play for Vancouver with Hughes on the way out?

I read this as “my client can’t wait to become a Blue and join his close friend Theo Lindstein and form a Cup caliber defensive pair.”

 

[Mike Liut]

I would think the Blues would be a desired destination due to our young core and prospect pool.

 

[Majorityof1]

I would think the Blues would be a desired destination due to our young core and prospect pool.

A Swedish GM in waiting who worked with U-18 team Sweden when Willander was there might be enticing as well.

 

[Majorityof1]

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[stl76]

Maybe we can get Yzerman to pay us to take Larkin like he did with Walman

Larkin is a phenomenal player, would love to see him on the Blues depending on acquisition cost. Said this in another post, but that press conference reminded me a bit of ROR’s last in Buffalo before he was traded.

Always nice to see the red wings org in disarray…

 

[LGB]

Doesn’t seem like he’s fully NHL ready yet. You’d have to think Springfield would be a place he’d be happy to play with his Swedish teammates and it being close to where he already is. I wonder what they’d be looking for in a deal. Seems like there hand is almost being forced to blow it all up.