2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Kind of had a post a day or so about this. With news of significant cap increases in the next few years, contracts like Schenn's no longer have as much negative value. The % of cap will decrease significantly, where during the stagnant cap days, it really didn't change that much.

I think the interesting part is how this impacts upcoming free agents, I think we could see some sign for quite a bit more than they would have the past couple seasons, and that will make comparable vets signed for 2-4 years much more attractive.

With the rising cap and his bounce back year, Schenn is absolutely a positive asset at this point. Return starts with a 1st (or equivalent) and goes up from there. Physical center with Cup experience? Nearly every contender will be interested.

 

[Celtic Note]

If you or I tell a bank our home is worth $3,000,000 when it’s really only worth $300,000 it is an also felony. But a bank won’t loan us regular people money without an independent appraisal, which is why it rarely happens. It’s not about what the justice system thinks it’s worth, it’s about making knowingly false statements to a lender to induce them to loan you money. If you can independently prove the value there is no crime. Next time, bring proof to court.

I thought fraud was ok now?

 

[Celtic Note]

The annual salary of our current NHL roster is about $96M. That does not include the $2.5M+ we've already paid Saad, bonuses owed (or potentially already paid) to Suter, or the AHL payroll. The Blues will be paying $100M+ for hockey players this year.

Then you also have salaries for coaches, executives, scouts, accounting, marketing, medical staff, etc.

Then you have utilities, hockey gear, meals, workout equipment, rent/ice fees at Centene, etc.

Then you also foot the bill for road trips. Hotels, chartered flights, per diem, meals, etc.

You are wildly underestimating the operating cost of an NHL team.

It seems like you have put a lot of time into researching this so maybe you know, how does revenue sharing work in the NHL?

 

[Celtic Note]

With the rising cap and his bounce back year, Schenn is absolutely a positive asset at this point. Return starts with a 1st (or equivalent) and goes up from there. Physical center with Cup experience? Nearly every contender will be interested.

What do you mean by bounce back year for Schenn? Offensively he is pacing for exactly the same number of points as last year over 82 games. If you mean he hasn’t been awful defensively like the last two years, then I would agree. But he is still pacing as a minus 9 on the year. So while I agree he has been better (that end of December through mid January he looked pretty good, although that was against some of the worth teams in the league, but good nevertheless), I am not sure I would call it a bounce back year.

 

[bleedblue1223]

What do you mean by bounce back year for Schenn? Offensively he is pacing for exactly the same number of points as last year over 82 games. If you mean he hasn’t been awful defensively like the last two years, then I would agree. But he is still pacing as a minus 9 on the year. So while I agree he has been better (that end of December through mid January he looked pretty good, although that was against some of the worth teams in the league, but good nevertheless), I am not sure I would call it a bounce back year.

Probably talking about his production over last 30 or so games, which has been around a 50-55 point pace.

Last year he had a xGF% of 42.40% during 5v5, and this season it's 47.57%. The last time he was around that number was 20-21 with 47%, and in 19-20 was the last time he was better at 49.18%.

Still questions of how much he is driving that number or if it's sustainable for future years, but I'd say he's certainly bounced back to some degree.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

I must have missed it. I have found this place to be more enjoyable when I limit what/who I read.

Very very true

 

[ChicagoBlues]

We apparently have the 5th most hits in the NHL. How physical do we need to be to actually be good?

I may not have been watching games, but I’ve monitored box scores and could see that the Blues out hit their opponents on a regular basis.

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All of this talk about rising cap just reminds me that, no matter what, an individual will spend all the way up to their paycheck.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I must have missed it. I have found this place to be more enjoyable when I limit what/who I read.

I find that scrolling past works well too.

 

[Celtic Note]

Probably talking about his production over last 30 or so games, which has been around a 50-55 point pace.

Last year he had a xGF% of 42.40% during 5v5, and this season it's 47.57%. The last time he was around that number was 20-21 with 47%, and in 19-20 was the last time he was better at 49.18%.

Still questions of how much he is driving that number or if it's sustainable for future years, but I'd say he's certainly bounced back to some degree.

I get that he paced higher after a poor start but he has fallen off again offensively with 1 point in the last 8 or so. It seems like one of his usual mid season streaks.

He has played better this year than last year. But to me bounced back means returned to normal. That’s why I asked for the definition.

 

[Celtic Note]

I'm not arguing we aren't.

I didn’t mean to imply you were.

 

[StlBigFly]

I was trying to pretend to be Toronto, look through their stuff and see what they could afford to lose or what they had to lose for the cap.

I’d imagine we ask for Minten and I don’t think they should do that. I don’t think they would…I guess Schenn has term but still, it’s tough to trade guys like that. I would be surprised if he was in the deal but I dunno. We did get Dean for renting Barbashev so we could be targeting a similar type of player.

We’d probably be after the second this year and or first next year.

Other than that I feel they need the defensive prospects they have. I don’t think they have any excess.

I’m guessing reaves would return….but I don’t know that they should trade kampf or jarnkrok. They just got stability on their bottom group for the first time in forever and it seems quick to break it up.

So maybe max domi is ejected I dunno. He seems to be on a deal that’s very manageable for Toronto. He’s got a lot of years…I could understand Toronto thinking it was upgrading this spot with Schenn but I think we have to retain and we don’t do that often, plus that dude has lotsa years…

I don’t see the deal. Unless there is some behind the scenes deal with Tavares where they’re both happy with some change … I so very highly doubt that but I guess when Matthew’s took the C Tavares could have asked to move. It isn’t the craziest idea but it’s way out there in terms of random guess. And I even more highly doubt we’d ever be involved with Marner; he seems suited for a large market.

 

[Blueswin]

I was trying to pretend to be Toronto, look through their stuff and see what they could afford to lose or what they had to lose for the cap.

I’d imagine we ask for Minten and I don’t think they should do that. I don’t think they would…I guess Schenn has term but still, it’s tough to trade guys like that. I would be surprised if he was in the deal but I dunno.

We’d probably be after the second this year and or first next year.

Other than that I feel they need the defensive prospects they have. I don’t think they have any excess.

I’m guessing reaves would return….but I don’t know that they should trade kampf or jarnkrok. They just got stability on their bottom group for the first time in forever and it seems quick to break it up.

So maybe max domi is ejected I dunno. He seems to be on a deal that’s very manageable for Toronto. He’s got a lot of years…I could understand Toronto thinking it was upgrading this spot with Schenn but I think we have to retain and we don’t do that often, plus that dude has lotsa years…

I don’t see the deal. Unless there is some behind the scenes deal with Tavares where they’re both happy with some change … I so very highly doubt that but I guess when Matthew’s took the C Tavares could have asked to move. It isn’t the craziest idea but it’s way out there in terms of random guess. And I even more highly doubt we’d ever be involved with Marner; he seems suited for a large market.

Yes it would probably need to be Domi & Reeves for cap reasons.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I have a feeling in my stomach that if we move Schenn it's going to be a deal where we're adding to Schenn for a bigger trade. I just don't know who that player we would target would be.

 

[A Real Barn Burner]

I have a feeling in my stomach that if we move Schenn it's going to be a deal where we're adding to Schenn for a bigger trade. I just don't know who that player we would target would be.

Agree moving Schenn should only happen if it’s a big trade. Futures wouldn’t be enough for me, as it would be years before they made an impact on the roster. If we are losing Schenn then we need someone who will make a difference over the next few years or significantly speeds up the rebuild.

Pipe Dream….Schenn (3 years retention (cap increase makes this easy)) for Nemec. Plus whatever to balance it out. If New Jersey is really going for it throw Sutter in there, or Sunny and Faska. If we had a guy with the last name Sink chuck that as well.

Reports are Devils need Center help and outside of wanting Nemec…..well I have no idea how you balance it out. They would probably prefer a 25-30 2C but doubtful they have anyone offering that up. 3 years of Schenn retained has to have some value but I have no idea if it would be 1st, 2nd, and 3rd value. I will leave it to the experts to figure out who adds and what the cap dumps are.

Love Schenn he is a true Blue. However, this would secure the missing piece we need right now and offset the loss of his leadership and mentorship on the next core. Nemec like Broberg just needs NHL playing time to shine exactly the type of player Army has been targeting.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Are we comfortable with having 3 of Texier, Faksa, Sundqvist, Walker or Joseph being regulars at center?

I’m not. I don’t think moving Schenn is a bad idea at all. But we are already searching for a 3C (or should be) I can’t imagine trying to search for a 2C as well.

Maybe Schenn for Middlestadt makes sense for both sides. I don’t think it helps us out too much, I don’t necessarily like the player, but we almost have to have someone come back like that for it to make sense to move Schenn this season.

There’s a lot more reason to keep him around right now than there is to ship him out. I’m not sure there are many teams that could make a deal and make us not have to have wingers fill the hole at center or put a 4th line center at 2C.

 

[A Real Barn Burner]

Are we comfortable with having 3 of Texier, Faksa, Sundqvist, Walker or Joseph being regulars at center?

I’m not. I don’t think moving Schenn is a bad idea at all. But we are already searching for a 3C (or should be) I can’t imagine trying to search for a 2C as well.

Maybe Schenn for Middlestadt makes sense for both sides. I don’t think it helps us out too much, I don’t necessarily like the player, but we almost have to have someone come back like that for it to make sense to move Schenn this season.

There’s a lot more reason to keep him around right now than there is to ship him out. I’m not sure there are many teams that could make a deal and make us not have to have wingers fill the hole at center or put a 4th line center at 2C.

I agree that’s why the return would have to be “Mammoth”. If you got the right price, I think you could call up Dvorsky for 3C and try Holloway at 2C for this season. If neither of them work out go hard in FA for a 2C?