2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Bye Bye Blueston]

He has a 12 team no trade list NTC this year

I thought when he signed extension we made it full NTC for this year too?

 

[Spektre]

I thought when he signed extension we made it full NTC for this year too?

Negative. You can’t retroactively modify an existing contract.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Negative. You can’t retroactively modify an existing contract.

You can’t change money, but I believe you can add ntc for current year (if otherwise eligible) if you sign extension.

Edit: here is link to JR article that says he got full ntc this year too: Inside the Blues’ Pavel Buchnevich talks — and how they got him extended without going max term

 

[sfvega]

Will Leddy be back before the trade deadline? There is no timetable for his return, and we are less than 7 weeks for the deadline. Even if he is back, will teams pay full price for a 33-year-old who missed 50+ games with a mysterious injury with a bunch of set-backs who has only played a few weeks and still has a whole extra year left on his contract? that's a lot of risk to take on.

Yeah, I'm not expecting Leddy back fully healthy by TDL. I think he's the only guy who could salvage his value, but it's wildly unlikely. Saad or Toro would have to go on a wild tear before the deadline to undo their far from stellar play so far. And Saad's contract especially is a tough play.

 

[BlueMed]

He has a full NTC this year, even asking him to waive would probably cause issues we wouldnt wanna deal with. I think you guys are pipe dreaming w/a Buch move. Just my opinion.

His veteran presence would be missed, but moving Buch is probably the most rational thing Army could do at this point. At LW, this team already has Holloway and Neighbours with Stenberg, Pekarcik, and Kaskimaki on the doorstep. If Buch stays, at least one of those prospects will be traded, and we may end up with another Schenn-type contract.

 

[Majorityof1]

Negative. You can’t retroactively modify an existing contract.

You absolutely can retoractively add an NTC. According to Strickland, Buch had a full NTC added for this year, and the first 4 of the new deal.



He says no move but amended that in following tweet to be No Trade.

 

[TheOrganist]

His veteran presence would be missed, but moving Buch is probably the most rational thing Army could do at this point. At LW, this team already has Holloway and Neighbours with Stenberg, Pekarcik, and Kaskimaki on the doorstep. If Buch stays, at least one of those prospects will be traded, and we may end up with another Schenn-type contract.

I mean, the time to trade Buch was last trade deadline when a contending team would get two playoff runs out of a good two way player on a very reasonable contract. Armstrong asked for the moon and for all intents and purposes clearly didn’t want to move him because he was dead set on not hurting the team short term. A lot of people questioned it at the time. Regardless, his value has completely changed since then.

 

[BlueMed]

I mean, the time to trade Buch was last trade deadline when a contending team would get two playoff runs out of a good two way player on a very reasonable contract. Armstrong asked for the moon and for all intents and purposes clearly didn’t want to move him because he was dead set on not hurting the team short term. A lot of people questioned it at the time. Regardless, his value has completely changed since then.

The question is: will his actual value exceed the predicted value of his entire contract extension?

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

If it becomes evident we aren’t a playoff team by the TDL, which players would you make available?
My list…

Faksa - 2nd
Saad - 4th
Leddy - 4th
Toro - 3rd
Walker - 4th

Very long wish list. Leddy isn't returning anything given his current health issues, and I don't think Toro/Walker get moved while still having another year after this.

 

[Spektre]

You absolutely can retoractively add an NTC. According to Strickland, Buch had a full NTC added for this year, and the first 4 of the new deal.



He says no move but amended that in following tweet to be No Trade.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/st-louis-blues/latest-news/breaking-blues-sign-pavel-buchnevich-to-six-year-48-million-extension

The contract details confirmed eliminates the 12-team modified no-trade clause for the upcoming season and makes it a full NTC for this season, plus the first four seasons of the new contract, a 20-team NTC in 2029-30 and 15-team NTC in 2030-31.

That f***ing sucks

 

[simon IC]

If it becomes evident we aren’t a playoff team by the TDL, which players would you make available?
My list…

Faksa - 2nd
Saad - 4th
Leddy - 4th
Toro - 3rd
Walker - 4th

I would keep Toropchenko.
Leddy is probably untradeable.
I would probably hang on to Faksa, especially we are sniffing a playoff spot. I think his value to the team outweighs what little we would get in a trade.
I would try and get whatever I could for Saad. He's a liability at this point, and I even wonder if he's a distraction in the room.
Walker, I am ambivalent about. It would be nice if he could get a chance on a contending team.
I would add Perunovich to the list.

 

[TheOrganist]

The question is: will his actual value exceed the predicted value of his entire contract extension?

Of course not. It was a dumb extension that was never going to age well. The concern is that he’s been bad all yr and the extension hasn’t even kicked in yet. If he was shopped he might even have negative value. The complete opposite of his value last spring. Was just a bad move.

 

[TK 421]

Yeah that was a bad contract right from the start, should have moved him when they had the chance and thanked him for his service.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Buch certainly hasn’t been great this year. And we do have an excess at LW. But I wouldn’t be so ready to consider it a bad contract by any means. If he continues with the down play next year I’d be a lot more worried about it. I’d venture to guess he’ll rebound quite well. Optimistic thinking sure, but this wasn’t a player who had a couple of one offs. Personally I don’t think Thomas has looked as dangerous the last couple of weeks either. Something probably just isn’t clicking for them right now, someone’s a little banged up, or they’re trying to do something new. I wouldn’t be worried about Buch getting back to that 60-75 point two way guy that half of us were hoping we re-signed.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I think the only guy who could be worth a 2nd is Leddy fully healthy, but if he were he'd also have value to us as well. Saad has torpedoed his own value this year, same with Toro having a very down year. Faksa is solid, but he is what he is. If you can't get him for a 3rd, I'm sure you could find someone comparable.

I think DA rides it out, which is just as well since our trade pieces are very bit players or guys who aren't making a good case for themselves.

I think I would be inclined to take a 3rd and a 5th or multiple picks in this draft rather than just a 2nd as much of a crapshoot this draft is. Maybe trade up later

 

[MissouriMook]

If thats the case, i could see a move much more likely to happen, and i would hope that team is NJ.

I was actually thinking back to the Rangers.

 

[Beauterham]

I was actually thinking back to the Rangers.

I can't remember where I read it, but I thought I read somewhere that Buchnevich didn't want to go back to the Rangers last season if they were interested.

They do have some interesting pieces though...

 

[Dr Robot]

Half a season of less than elite play and everyone’s turning on my boy Buch. Oh ye of little rat faith.

 

[bleedblue1223]

He wasn't elite last season either. His 5v5 points/60 this season is 1.8, last season was 1.7. His first 2 seasons here were 2.5 and 2.6.

It's more likely than not IMO that he had a 3 year peak in his last season in NY and 2 seasons here, and this is more of his new norm. Now it's, does he maintain this level or is there further decline in near future.

 

[StlBigFly]

Devils advocate:

imo Buchnevich is a complimentary skater. He doesn’t primarily drive play or finish, he supports those who do.

IMO The stl blues have a clear hole at top 6 wing. If they did not have this hole then it would be very difficult to make the dramatic depth chart changes we see between home and away games. It’s the hole that remains from trading Tarasenko for futures, the hole Vrana failed to fill. Robert Thomas really doesn’t have his guy yet, and being among the leagues best primary assist guys, it is only a matter of time until there is a second duo on the team. Perhaps it is Snuggerud. Or perhaps we have to trade for it.

Holloway and Kyrou will likely maintain a seasoned center for multiple years. We probably wouldn’t take the most potent thing we have and turn the situation into development shifts.

Buchnevich currently has nobody to compliment because of the roster hole and later, when we have folk for him to compliment, such as Snuggerud, we will be very thankful we have him as opposed to being forced to toss another rookie on the line that a rookie is already on and risking the youth from getting exploded when the opposition throws Eichel, Stone, and Karlsson over the boards.

 

[Stealth JD]

Would Vancouver trade Miller for Buchnevich, with something small added if necessary? Salary-wise it's a wash...both have $8M cap-hits through their 30's. Miller is more of a C than Buchy and could shift to wing when Dvorsky is ready to take over. Miller's slightly older, but his contract expires a year sooner. However, JT's red-ass attitude may not fit as well as Buchnevich's.

The bigger risk is probably to STL, but the Blues likely get the better player in the here and now. Can't see Army/Steen moving Pavel after giving him that deal; but it could be a buy-low situation on Miller and a sell-high situation on Buchnevich.

 

[ArenaRat]

I mean, the time to trade Buch was last trade deadline when a contending team would get two playoff runs out of a good two way player on a very reasonable contract. Armstrong asked for the moon and for all intents and purposes clearly didn’t want to move him because he was dead set on not hurting the team short term. A lot of people questioned it at the time. Regardless, his value has completely changed since then.

I was one of those wanting to move Buch, but I wouldn't fault Armstrong if he did ask for the moon. If he thought he could get it, he had a responsibility to ask for a price fair to the Blues. As I recall, there was never even much smoke around him, so perhaps Army really didn't want to move him or he might've reduced his price when the market reaction was clear.

 

[Spektre]

I was one of those wanting to move Buch, but I wouldn't fault Armstrong if he did ask for the moon. If he thought he could get it, he had a responsibility to ask for a price fair to the Blues. As I recall, there was never even much smoke around him, so perhaps Army really didn't want to move him or he might've reduced his price when the market reaction was clear.

I know I saw some chatter about Army possibly wanting Broberg and Holloway last year in a deal for Buchnevich, but the Oilers declined. I don't remember if that was in the Athletic or what.

 

[TheOrganist]

I know I saw some chatter about Army possibly wanting Broberg and Holloway last year in a deal for Buchnevich, but the Oilers declined. I don't remember if that was in the Athletic or what.

I believe the reporting after the fact was Army's asking price being Broberg, Holloway and an Edmonton first rounder. Kind of interesting in hindsight. In general, the asking price was the equivalent of two first rounders...picks or prospects.

 

[StLewis11]

As for Sunny, I love him & appreciate his helping us get the Cup, but why does he get a pass, I've seen no suggestion here of trading him away?