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2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

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Brian39 said:
As much as I'd love to make a nice futures package for Nemec, New Jersey should be looking for immediate NHL roster help if they move him. Maybe we could put together a futures package with enough value to outbid other offers and then they flip some of those futures for that roster help. But realistically, I don't think a guy like Bolduc moves the needle for them a ton.

I think that any deal for Nemec would have to include either Neighbours or Holloway.

They don't have tons of cap space and all their 'bad' money that they might want to shed has full trade protection right now. Any roster player coming back in a Nemec trade needs to be more than a pure rental, so they are probably looking for young(ish) guys on below-market deals that are at least able to be a genuinely 'plus' middle 6 player. Neighbours and Holloway both fit that bill. I don't think you land a guy like Nemec without giving up something you really don't want to give up. I'm not eager to give up either of those guys, but I would have to strongly consider it if New Jersey covets one.

Personally, I think Holloway would be a great fit with New Jersey. He's got the skating to keep up with their elite players. A Holloway-Hughes-Bratt line could be an absolute nightmare to play against. I don't think that Neighbours is as good of a fit, but he's a guy that should be a quality middle 6 player for years to come.
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I disagree with the bolded.

I agree that NJ will want players over picks and even a 1st-round level talent, but I think Bolduc is adequate value if DA adds another forward like Jecho, plus picks or equivalent value.

That's as high as I am willing to go for Nemec. Bolduc, Jecho, Dickinson and a 2026 3rd.

EDIT: Looking at this offer, I can see that it is a little bit light. Gotta add something, but this is a good base.
 
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Neighbours would be a good starting point for a trade for Nemec. I would easily part with that and some NHL ready prospects outside the top-6 guys for a player with Nemec’s potential.
 
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Speaking of Wild….Jirieck (same draft less pedigree) was recently traded for a 1st, a 2 years away 2nd, a 3rd, and 4th….with a 5th going back the other way. New Jersey isn’t likely to want a futures package for Nemec, but I don’t see Neighbors value even with a small add equaling that.
 
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I would think the ask for NJ would be Snuggy. Not sure what I'd do then. We need both a big RHD who can drive the play and a sniper. Jiricek still is a ways away, even before getting into his lost season last year.
 
Rare to have a comparable deal have occurred so recently.

Jirichek’s trade for reference:

jirichek +
2025 5th

For Daemon (22 y/o 6’1” 3rd round lhd) +
2025 1st +
2026 3rd + 4th +
2027 2nd

I think Nemec would be argued to have more value as he did on the day of the draft but I don’t like know anything about that part or the leverage difference he may have as compared to what Jirichek was able to do.

That’s also a whole lot of draft capital going to Columbus….its nice that the defenseman in return is nhl ready but as the only tangible return for a 6oa, a 3rd rounder in Daemon shows how much value the deal has crammed into the picks.

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My guesses:

They won’t want Dvorsky, they have Hughes and Hischier plus more.

They won’t want Snuggerud, they can’t sign him. It would be too risky to pinky promise away your 2 overall pick.

They won’t want somebody far away from the nhl: their players are pushing now.

I believe what their team needs is a potent and decisive scoring threat in the top 9. The blues and devils have similar winger depth problems.

Maybe a Bolduc centered deal is possible. This doesn’t help us from a winger perspective, but … it’s kinda hard to trade for a young rhd. Either do it or sit it out, and you’re at the mercy of what the other folk need.

If we look at Jirichek one may guess he was worth about 2 middle to late selection firsts. If Bolduc counts as one we owe one more. Nemec has a higher pedigree. Bolduc + 1st + more.
 
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Xerloris said:
I'm not going to trade Bolduc for a kid that's not even close to proving himself.
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We gotta give to get. Bolduc hasn't proven himself either and is more easily replaceable than Neighbours.

I'm not even sold on Nemec. I'm just trying to figure out fair value. HFDevils will ask for the moon, but Fitz is not going to insult DA with some bullshit. Fitz will ask high, but not too high and then DA will continually point to the D. Jiricek deal with the understanding that the value will come in players more than draft picks.
 
ChicagoBlues said:
We gotta give to get. Bolduc hasn't proven himself either and is more easily replaceable than Neighbours.

I'm not even sold on Nemec. I'm just trying to figure out fair value. HFDevils will ask for the moon, but Fitz is not going to insult DA with some bullshit. Fitz will ask high, but not too high and then DA will continually point to the D. Jiricek deal with the understanding that the value will come in players more than draft picks.
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Well from what I see of Bolduc he deserves to be in the lineup above many other players. I don't see why they just wont let him play, he seems to be an all around good player, not just offense but defense too but no one will just let him f***ing play.
 
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A Real Barn Burner said:
Speaking of Wild….Jirieck (same draft less pedigree) was recently traded for a 1st, a 2 years away 2nd, a 3rd, and 4th….with a 5th going back the other way. New Jersey isn’t likely to want a futures package for Nemec, but I don’t see Neighbors value even with a small add equaling that.
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A 22 year old off of a 27 goal season who is willing to play physical/adapt in roles?

You don’t see it because those players don’t get moved. There’s no comparable.

You can very easily flip the coin the other way and say I don’t see Jiricek being worth that. The easy comparable for Nemec just is Jiricek due to draft pedigree and situation - to a degree, I think there’s more issues with Jiricek than Nemec.

I think it’s all moot, because there’s probably a 0 percent chance the Blues entertain moving Neighbors. Not likely due to his on ice contributions, but mainly due to the flexibility, and seemingly overwhelming popularity throughout the room and the fan base. But when you’re comparing the two, most times you should point towards the guy who’s only 2 years older and already engrained himself into a locker room and is still a positive contributor vs the guy that hasn’t made the NHL yet but has the possibility of being a higher impact player. Unless you’re wanting to gamble. Similar to how Pronger wasn’t received well at first, it would take Nemec likely being a surefire top d man to not have the echos of why’d you trade that guy.
 
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A 22 year old off of a 27 goal season who is willing to play physical/adapt in roles?

You don’t see it because those players don’t get moved. There’s no comparable.

You can very easily flip the coin the other way and say I don’t see Jiricek being worth that. The easy comparable for Nemec just is Jiricek due to draft pedigree and situation - to a degree, I think there’s more issues with Jiricek than Nemec.

I think it’s all moot, because there’s probably a 0 percent chance the Blues entertain moving Neighbors. Not likely due to his on ice contributions, but mainly due to the flexibility, and seemingly overwhelming popularity throughout the room and the fan base. But when you’re comparing the two, most times you should point towards the guy who’s only 2 years older and already engrained himself into a locker room and is still a positive contributor vs the guy that hasn’t made the NHL yet but has the possibility of being a higher impact player. Unless you’re wanting to gamble. Similar to how Pronger wasn’t received well at first, it would take Nemec likely being a surefire top d man to not have the echos of why’d you trade that guy.
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You’re right it’s probably moot both in the fact that young players like that aren’t traded often and that neither Nemec or Nieghbors is likely going anywhere.

However, in the interest of discussion the best I can think of is Derbincat who got a 1st (7th overall), a 2nd, and 3rd which is pretty comparable (if not more) to the Jirieck trade return. I think we can both agree Neighbors isn’t on the same level as Derbincat was then? Or even at his two year mark? Neighbors doesn’t drive the play on the third line when he is down there. Even with his net front scoring and physicality/shot blocking, I don’t see him as more than a complimentary player. The best that can be said in comparison is he has a few more years of team control than Derbincat did when he was traded from the Hawks.

To your final point, a number 1 RHD is the hardest spot to fill in the league perhaps only short of a generational/elite center. Wingers even with Neighbors intangibles and one 27 goal season (Maybe two here this year) are a dime a dozen in comparison. It might be a gamble but if New Jersey is game then you take it. The fan base will come around eventually just like with Pronger.

I have no doubt that Jake has value. Exactly how much I don’t know…prehaps someone better than I will find a comp. A passing thought, perhaps it doesn’t have bearing since it was so long ago, but Perron and Oshie were both traded for less value than the return your suggesting Neighbors has.
 
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