2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Reality Czech]

I wouldn't say he thinks we'll do that, it's one of his bold predictions, and had Granlund. I don't think we'll go for someone like that, he'll cost a decent amount based on his production. I wouldn't be shocked if we trade for a center, but we don't have a lot of picks to work with.

If we get someone, I don't think it will be a vet rental.

I could see us going with a bargain bin vet rental if that's all that's available in our price range but certainly not a bigger name like Granlund. I mentioned Christian Dvorak before the season started and that could be a guy Army targets just to finish the season. He may end up moving Faksa or Sunny at the deadline though I wouldn't mind keeping one of the two around to be 4C next year.

I suspect a lot of it hinges on Dvorsky and whether they are considering calling him up in the second half or waiting until next season. It wouldn't surprise me to see Dvorsky start at wing like Thomas did until he adjusts to the NHL game. That being said, we had much better center depth in 2019 than we do now so maybe they put him at C and let him run with it.

 

[PeoriaBlues309]

Yeah, but imagine us trading Jordan Kyrou and Montreal is trying to get us to take Brendan Gallagher back. We'd tell them to get lost in a heartbeat.

No need for the dramatics here. At no point did I say that Schenn would be the main piece going back in the deal. The prospect(s)+pick(s) would be.

They would have a massive, massive hole at 2C if they move either JT or EP. We would also have to send a fair amount of cap in the deal as well to fit EP’s contract.

I don’t see why them asking for Schenn to be a part of this hypothetical trade is that unrealistic.

 

[sfvega]

No need for the dramatics here. At no point did I say that Schenn would be the main piece going back in the deal. The prospect(s)+pick(s) would be.

They would have a massive, massive hole at 2C if they move either JT or EP. We would also have to send a fair amount of cap in the deal as well to fit EP’s contract.

I don’t see why them asking for Schenn to be a part of this hypothetical trade is that unrealistic.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but it's very unrealistic to expect to be able to move one of our worse contracts on an older player for a star in his prime. We would obviously need to send some salary back, but I doubt Faulk or Schenn would be the preference for.....really any team out there. Which isn't to say that Schenn is a complete albatross, but let's pretend to have some objectivity here.

WE have a massive hole at 2C and Schenn is here!

 

[Mike Liut]

We’ve all said all along that we are 1LD and 2C away making the playoffs. I guarantee Army is on the phone trying to swing a deal for a 2C. If we a legitimate one, it’s going to take somebody we don’t want to lose. But that’s how it works. Unless it’s a rental, then maybe it’s Dean + +

 

[Reality Czech]

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but it's very unrealistic to expect to be able to move one of our worse contracts on an older player for a star in his prime. We would obviously need to send some salary back, but I doubt Faulk or Schenn would be the preference for.....really any team out there. Which isn't to say that Schenn is a complete albatross, but let's pretend to have some objectivity here.

WE have a massive hole at 2C and Schenn is here!

If Vancouver is trading EP of Miller they are asking for a center back. There's no doubt of that. I also don't think they would want a pure futures package for either guy considering they want to compete now. So if Blues fans wanna hypothesize about us trading for either of those guys (which is itself extremely unrealistic), then Schenn is the only realistic center we'd be able to send back. Obviously it would take a lot more than that, but they would need to get salary back regardless. Did you think he meant Schenn is the main part of the trade or what?

Just for shits and giggles, you don't think Vancouver would consider trading EP (+ perhaps a lesser player) for Kyrou, Schenn + Snuggerud/Dvorsky/a 1st/Neighbours or whatever? Teams often have to take back a less than desirable contract to facilitate trading a big contract guy. Of course this is never gonna happen and I'd put the chances of us trading for EP at 1% at best, but it doesn't mean we can't have fun hypothesizing about it.

That's about the only realistic way I could see us making an EP trade unless it's a 3-team deal, or Thomas is on the table, which he obviously shouldn't be.

 

[sfvega]

If Vancouver is trading EP of Miller they are asking for a center back. There's no doubt of that. I also don't think they would want a pure futures package for either guy considering they want to compete now. So if Blues fans wanna hypothesize about us trading for either of those guys (which is itself extremely unrealistic), then Schenn is the only realistic center we'd be able to send back. Obviously it would take a lot more than that, but they would need to get salary back regardless. Did you think he meant Schenn is the main part of the trade or what?

Just for shits and giggles, you don't think Vancouver would consider trading EP (+ perhaps a lesser player) for Kyrou, Schenn + Snuggerud/Dvorsky/a 1st/Neighbours or whatever? Teams often have to take back a less than desirable contract to facilitate trading a big contract guy. Of course this is never gonna happen and I'd put the chances of us trading for EP at 1% at best, but it doesn't mean we can't have fun hypothesizing about it.

That's about the only realistic way I could see us making an EP trade unless it's a 3-team deal, or Thomas is on the table, which he obviously shouldn't be.

I agree that they wouldn't want a pure futures package considering how long they've waited for a good team (won 2 playoff rounds the last 11 seasons.) So if they're a team that is pivoting, why do they take on a less than desirable contract of a player in his 30s who is the reason why we have a hole at 2C to begin with? That boggles my mind. We keep saying "This team needs a 2C, Schenn isn't it." But then want to turn around and say "Well, Vancouver would need a 2C so they'd take Schenn." Am I having a stroke right now? Like what am I missing? Did I not just have this conversation a couple pages ago?

The biggest need on the team is a 2C

My point isn't that no one would take Schenn, my point is that we'd have to sweeten it for any team to take his cap hit. Adding Schenn to it isn't going to ensure the deal gets done as much as it's going to ensure the price goes up. If people want to trade Kyrou and Dvorsky to upgrade Schenn to EP, that's fine. I don't want to though.

I've got no problem with throwing out NHL25 trades, it's a decent way to deal with the down times. But we also have to keep a toe in reality.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I agree that they wouldn't want a pure futures package considering how long they've waited for a good team (won 2 playoff rounds the last 11 seasons.) So if they're a team that is pivoting, why do they take on a less than desirable contract of a player in his 30s who is the reason why we have a hole at 2C to begin with? That boggles my mind. We keep saying "This team needs a 2C, Schenn isn't it." But then want to turn around and say "Well, Vancouver would need a 2C so they'd take Schenn." Am I having a stroke right now? Like what am I missing? Did I not just have this conversation a couple pages ago?



My point isn't that no one would take Schenn, my point is that we'd have to sweeten it for any team to take his cap hit. Adding Schenn to it isn't going to ensure the deal gets done as much as it's going to ensure the price goes up. If people want to trade Kyrou and Dvorsky to upgrade Schenn to EP, that's fine. I don't want to though.

I don't think Schenn has much value, but he is well regarded around the league. I expect he has at least a bit of positive value.

 

[BlueMed]

We’ve all said all along that we are 1LD and 2C away making the playoffs. I guarantee Army is on the phone trying to swing a deal for a 2C. If we a legitimate one, it’s going to take somebody we don’t want to lose. But that’s how it works. Unless it’s a rental, then maybe it’s Dean + +

I don't think this team has a deficiency defensively like they did last season. Broberg is producing 0.5 points per game as a LHD, and Parayko is playing like a true 1D this year. I do agree with the deficiency at 2C. Ideally, they find a guy that produce 55+ points in that role as well as another RW that can compliment Thomas in the top 6.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

If Vancouver is trading EP of Miller they are asking for a center back. There's no doubt of that. I also don't think they would want a pure futures package for either guy considering they want to compete now. So if Blues fans wanna hypothesize about us trading for either of those guys (which is itself extremely unrealistic), then Schenn is the only realistic center we'd be able to send back. Obviously it would take a lot more than that, but they would need to get salary back regardless. Did you think he meant Schenn is the main part of the trade or what?

Just for shits and giggles, you don't think Vancouver would consider trading EP (+ perhaps a lesser player) for Kyrou, Schenn + Snuggerud/Dvorsky/a 1st/Neighbours or whatever? Teams often have to take back a less than desirable contract to facilitate trading a big contract guy. Of course this is never gonna happen and I'd put the chances of us trading for EP at 1% at best, but it doesn't mean we can't have fun hypothesizing about it.

That's about the only realistic way I could see us making an EP trade unless it's a 3-team deal, or Thomas is on the table, which he obviously shouldn't be.

I had a crazy idea for 3-team deal:

EP to Blues
Kyrou and Joseph to Buffalo
Cousins and Samuelsson from Buf to Van and Lindstein from us to Van

Canucks get replacement center, a D who slots onto their 2nd pairing, and future 2nd pairing guy who looks great with their top prospect internationally.

Sabres make foundational change, clear up some of their logjam of well paid lhd, and add dynamic scorer.

Blues get 2c we’ve been looking for.

Who says no?

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I had a crazy idea for 3-team deal:

EP to Blues
Kyrou and Joseph to Buffalo
Cousins and Samuelsson from Buf to Van and Lindstein from us to Van

Canucks get replacement center, a D who slots onto their 2nd pairing, and future 2nd pairing guy who looks great with their top prospect internationally.

Sabres make foundational change, clear up some of their logjam of well paid lhd, and add dynamic scorer.

Blues get 2c we’ve been looking for.

Who says no?

All three

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

I had a crazy idea for 3-team deal:

EP to Blues
Kyrou and Joseph to Buffalo
Cousins and Samuelsson from Buf to Van and Lindstein from us to Van

Canucks get replacement center, a D who slots onto their 2nd pairing, and future 2nd pairing guy who looks great with their top prospect internationally.

Sabres make foundational change, clear up some of their logjam of well paid lhd, and add dynamic scorer.

Blues get 2c we’ve been looking for.

Who says no?

Better than a lot of the deals I've seen but I think Vancouver would want more.

 

[Mike Liut]

I had a crazy idea for 3-team deal:

EP to Blues
Kyrou and Joseph to Buffalo
Cousins and Samuelsson from Buf to Van and Lindstein from us to Van

Canucks get replacement center, a D who slots onto their 2nd pairing, and future 2nd pairing guy who looks great with their top prospect internationally.

Sabres make foundational change, clear up some of their logjam of well paid lhd, and add dynamic scorer.

Blues get 2c we’ve been looking for.

Who says no?

Blues say yes, Van says not enough. Van says add your 2025 1st

 

[BleedBlue14]

I find it hard to believe that shipping off Kyrou in a deal for EP puts us in a better situation. It's trading an elite offensive forward for a slightly better elite offensive forward who is having a down year at a different position. We'd be paying a premium to do so, and be paying futures to do so. Vancouver rightly should expect more on top of Kyrou.

Our best prospect is a two way center. He's most likely going to get some time this year at the end of the year like Bolduc did or start on the team next year. Schenn isn't a stud 2c by any means, but Holloway/Schenn/Kyrou has been a really good line. It seems like just shuffling the deck and redrawing the same hand. If we want to be competitive this year and next year, switching out Kyrou for Pettersson likely isn't enough, so why pay the premium to do it?

I'm not trying to suggest that Dvorsky will have near the impact of a Pettersson, but we are setup better to handle the addition of a top 6 C to the group in the near future than a top end RW. We also don't have a ton of cap space next year to add the top 6 RW to the group. Which then puts us in a position where a Neighbors or a Schenn will have to play RW on the 2nd line, not the worst thing in the world, but not necessarily fixing any holes that we have.

It's not the worst idea in the world, but I don't think it gets us any more competitive than we are right now.

 

[Reality Czech]

I agree that they wouldn't want a pure futures package considering how long they've waited for a good team (won 2 playoff rounds the last 11 seasons.) So if they're a team that is pivoting, why do they take on a less than desirable contract of a player in his 30s who is the reason why we have a hole at 2C to begin with? That boggles my mind. We keep saying "This team needs a 2C, Schenn isn't it." But then want to turn around and say "Well, Vancouver would need a 2C so they'd take Schenn." Am I having a stroke right now? Like what am I missing? Did I not just have this conversation a couple pages ago?



My point isn't that no one would take Schenn, my point is that we'd have to sweeten it for any team to take his cap hit. Adding Schenn to it isn't going to ensure the deal gets done as much as it's going to ensure the price goes up. If people want to trade Kyrou and Dvorsky to upgrade Schenn to EP, that's fine. I don't want to though.

I've got no problem with throwing out NHL25 trades, it's a decent way to deal with the down times. But we also have to keep a toe in reality.

Ok man, I'm not gonna bother trying to convince you any more. Don't think it's that unrealistic but it doesn't really matter. Teams take on less than desirable contracts all the time in order to secure the return they want in a trade.

 

[Reality Czech]

Blues say yes, Van says not enough. Van says add your 2025 1st

Yeah I agree that Kyrou and Lindstein aren't enough to get EP. Deal seems to favor the Blues.

For the record, I don't really want EP for what he'll likely cost. Too many risks for a guy earning that kind of money.

 

[Blanick]

I'll be honest, I would rather the Blues just stand pat or bargain bin shopping. This team is good enough to make the playoffs but very unlikely to make serious noise. Lets the kids develop and fill out the weak spots.

 

[Celtic Note]

I am not sure why some are ready to go big game hunting for something like a 2C, which may not even be a longterm need. I realize there isn’t a lot of patience around here but if people are convinced we are headed down the right path, why change the path before we know what we have with these young guys?

 

[StlBigFly]

I am not sure why some are ready to go big game hunting for something like a 2C, which may not even be a longterm need. I realize there isn’t a lot of patience around here but if people are convinced we are headed down the right path, why change the path before we know what we have with these young guys?

My concept is that we will have 3 years until it’s reasonable that Dvorsky could carry real top 9 minutes. Everybody else is a year longer at least. So in that time we have Schenn as 2C and he’s doing great but his career is at the part where you plan for the production to decrease.

I think Schenn would be a great winger for Dvorsky at first: a guy who can take draws, a guy who knows what the spacing is supposed to be so if Dvorsky is off there is still coverage, a physical guy who will respond if needed, etc.

I also think Buchnevich was -better than good- at center earlier in the season but the problem when we do this is we lose him as a winger and we don’t have a winger to use. Buchnevich struggled when Thomas went down which should surprise nobody.

If Snuggerud can effectively fill some of these minutes that exist when Buchnevich leaves the winger role; If Snuggerud is enough of a threat with Thomas that they demand coverage then Buchnevich at center will work. It would also work if we traded for any winger who could be enough of a threat with Thomas. It would be hard on Thomas with young Snuggs learning on the job but our second line feels like it would be so potent and puck carrying and 200ft…

Neighbors - Thomas - Snuggerud
Holloway - Buchnevich - Kyrou
Schenn - Dvorsky - Bolduc

I don’t think Snuggerud gets full top 6 minutes his first year but I think he’ll get enough of them that it’s not just a brief thing unless he’s a danger to himself or fails to meet some minimal performance. I think Matthew Knies usage is a real great example to set expectations in a successful outcome. He wasn’t always on the top line or in the top 6 but he was enough of the time that you’d describe him as playing there.

You could really afford a powerful 4th line with this depth chart and use it to help Dvorsky and Snuggerud get great opportunities without exposing the team. Youd also have a second line that often is free of developing players. That line can remain like that often to be a stable source of goals.

 

[Majorityof1]

I am not sure why some are ready to go big game hunting for something like a 2C, which may not even be a longterm need. I realize there isn’t a lot of patience around here but if people are convinced we are headed down the right path, why change the path before we know what we have with these young guys?

It's not getting a 2C. Pettersson is an elite player, the kind you and I always say we need. He is within a year of age of Thomas. His offensive pace right now on a down year would be a reasonable result for Dvorsky's ceiling. And he is great defensively. Not ok, not adequate. Great.

We have one C now. Adding one and having one hit puts us in a much better situation. It gives us flexibility. Have Dvo at 3C until he us ready, and he can play wing or run 3 lines and he feasts on lower comp.

Kyrou is a great player. I am one if his bigger supporters. But if we can upgrade to Pettersson for a reasonable cost, it's a no brainer. We get a more valuable position. We get a slightly younger player. We get a higher offensive ceiling. We get a better defensive player. We get a great PKer. The Cap is rising, so that $3.5M will be less important over time.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I highly doubt any deal for EP is going to be "reasonable" and i highly doubt EP gets traded. Everything I'm reading leads me to believe they would rather trade Miller.

 

[Majorityof1]

I highly doubt any deal for EP is going to be "reasonable" and i highly doubt EP gets traded. Everything I'm reading leads me to believe they would rather trade Miller.

In which case we stay away. But to dismiss EP as a possibility out of hand because Dvorsky...no. Dvorsky gives us the luxury not to overspend or go after the wrong player, but if you can add a 26 yo elite C, you do it regardless of who is in the prospect pool.

 

[Reality Czech]

I highly doubt any deal for EP is going to be "reasonable" and i highly doubt EP gets traded. Everything I'm reading leads me to believe they would rather trade Miller.

I'm sure they would, but Miller has an NMC and EP doesn't....yet. If they're only getting 75 cents on the dollar for Miller, they may be forced to trade EP instead. Especially if they have concerns about his physical and/or mental health going forward.

I'm also curious if the locker room supports one guy more than the other, which could factor into the decision.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

In which case we stay away. But to dismiss EP as a possibility out of hand because Dvorsky...no. Dvorsky gives us the luxury not to overspend or go after the wrong player, but if you can add a 26 yo elite C, you do it regardless of who is in the prospect pool.

Mine is and has always been that I think the asset cost is going to be insane and that his contract, if EP doesn't turn back into a 95+point player, is going to handcuff us with his NMC and high cap hit.

 

[Majorityof1]

Mine is and has always been that I think the asset cost is going to be insane and that his contract, if EP doesn't turn back into a 95+point player, is going to handcuff us with his NMC and high cap hit.

If he's a 70 point, strong defensive player, which is worst case scenario, then it won't cripple us. There is no reason to think he won't beat that regularly. He's pacing 68- with injuries and some crazy drama.

How do you propose we get elite talent? We aren't tanking? We are too afraid of a bust to trade for it. Should we keep scraping the bottom of the barrel and praying?

 

[bleedblue1223]

The way the C situation, if someone like EP is available, you try and make that move. Anytime an elite player at a premium position or even just any elite player is available, you should be at least making a call. Aside from someone like that, I would be targeting someone like say a Morgan Geekie.

To me, the primary need isn't a #2 C, it's a #3 C. Schenn isn't great, but his numbers have been very good since Monty took over, about what I'd want from a #2 C. Our issue is that Sunny doesn't do anything offensively and should be a #4 C. If we can get someone that upgrades our #3 C, and is enough quality where they can swap with Schenn if need be and not be a roadblock for Dvorsky, that would be the ideal scenario short of just acquiring an elite C. Morgan Frost is another that I think would fit.

I'm not sure which specific players are likely to be available, but if we make a move, that's what I would prefer. I probably lean more towards just not really making a move and rolling with what we have, and using a call up if someone is ready.

The thing that makes me wonder what Army is up to, what are the motivations for potentially moving Saad. Is it to clear a roster spot for a young guy to come up, is it to try and acquire a draft pick since we've moved a lot of them in recent months, or is it to clear salary for another move for the NHL roster? Then again, it could all just be baseless rumors and he isn't going anywhere.