2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[bleedblue1223]

As relates to Schenn, I think he's been pretty decent as a #2 C this year. Since Monty has taken over, he's been scoring at a 55 point pace, and I think the line of Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou has played good hockey. I think Schenn currently is good enough for the team to make a push for the playoffs, and is an ideal guy to aid in the development of Dvorsky. When Dvorsky is ready for a top 6 C role, whether that's start of next season, middle of next season, or 26/27, then Schenn will be able to slide to #3 C.

The wheels completely falling off is coming, but hopefully Dvorsky is ready when that day comes.

 

[PeoriaBlues309]

I feel like the Blues organization has too much respect for Schenn to even entertain moving him. He embodies they type of play-style/culture they're trying to build.

For better or worse, I expect him here for the long haul.

I do agree with this, but I just included him because they’ll likely want a top 6 C in return, and it’s close to where he’s from. I can’t see Army saying no on him if it’s a requirement to get the deal done. This is the same man who went full cold blooded mode with Bergy in the ROR trade.

I also figure that there are very few places where he’d waive his NTC, and VAN would be one of them.

 

[Brockon]

This is true.

One player I’m curious about being included would be Schenn. Being a Western Canada guy, I could see Vancouver being a place he’d waive to, and he’s definitely someone who’d fit how Tocchet likes to play.

Hate to break it to you, but despite being "in Western Canada" geographically - equating Saskatoon to Vancouver is about as realistic as comparing Buffalo or Columbus and New York city. And even that comparison as farfetched as it may seem is doing a massive disservice to explaining the difference between Vancouver and the Canadian Prairie.

I'm not going to go as far as saying I'm an expert - I've worked 2 separate 5 months stints in Swift Current, Saskatchewan (which is a community of 18k about 175 miles southwest of Saskatoon ~350k population). I've also travelled through Saskatoon, Regina and spent several months in Winnipeg - accounting for enough familiarity with the Prairie vibe and culture with decent chunks of time during both the summer and winter seasons over several different years.

I've also spent several months living just outside of Calgary, which is more comparable to anything Canadian Prairie than Vancouver could ever hope to be in terms of feel and/or market.

I cannot state emphatically enough that Vancouver is worlds apart from anything Schenn would equate to home - going as far as to say St Louis is closer to his home town feel than either of Vancouver OR Calgary, while cherry picking the best of both cities combined and ignoring the worst of each... Take this with a small grain of salt, as I have never spent any appreciable amount of time in the Midwest - with my "experience" being limited to driving back from Ontario to BC, taking a scenic route through the US through Chicago, South Dokota and then Washington state on the way back home while sightseeing in 2007 during a 12000 mile road trip over the course of 9 weeks.

This is a long way of saying - Schenn would never waive to go to Vancouver because it reminds him of home. If he waives, it's because he wants a shot at winning a second cup and playing somewhere that might make a run or two before he retires. And he's more likely to go elsewhere than Vancouver to do so, if he agrees to leave St Louis at all. I'm not saying Vancouver would be on his 15 team no trade list for the next 3 years, but I don't see him waiving his full NTC this year to go there.

 

[sfvega]

I do agree with this, but I just included him because they’ll likely want a top 6 C in return, and it’s close to where he’s from. I can’t see Army saying no on him if it’s a requirement to get the deal done. This is the same man who went full cold blooded mode with Bergy in the ROR trade.

I also figure that there are very few places where he’d waive his NTC, and VAN would be one of them.

I can't imagine one of our worst contracts being a requirement to get the deal done. A little bit of wishful thinking and dot connecting on our part here if we're being honest...

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Hate to break it to you, but despite being "in Western Canada" geographically - equating Saskatoon to Vancouver is about as realistic as comparing Buffalo or Columbus and New York city. And even that comparison as farfetched as it may seem is doing a massive disservice to explaining the difference between Vancouver and the Canadian Prairie.

I'm not going to go as far as saying I'm an expert - I've worked 2 separate 5 months stints in Swift Current, Saskatchewan (which is a community of 18k about 175 miles southwest of Saskatoon ~350k population). I've also travelled through Saskatoon, Regina and spent several months in Winnipeg - accounting for enough familiarity with the Prairie vibe and culture with decent chunks of time during both the summer and winter seasons over several different years.

I've also spent several months living just outside of Calgary, which is more comparable to anything Canadian Prairie than Vancouver could ever hope to be in terms of feel and/or market.

I cannot state emphatically enough that Vancouver is worlds apart from anything Schenn would equate to home - going as far as to say St Louis is closer to his home town feel than either of Vancouver OR Calgary, while cherry picking the best of both cities combined and ignoring the worst of each... Take this with a small grain of salt, as I have never spent any appreciable amount of time in the Midwest - with my "experience" being limited to driving back from Ontario to BC, taking a scenic route through the US through Chicago, South Dokota and then Washington state on the way back home while sightseeing in 2007 during a 12000 mile road trip over the course of 9 weeks.

This is a long way of saying - Schenn would never waive to go to Vancouver because it reminds him of home. If he waives, it's because he wants a shot at winning a second cup and playing somewhere that might make a run or two before he retires. And he's more likely to go elsewhere than Vancouver to do so, if he agrees to leave St Louis at all. I'm not saying Vancouver would be on his 15 team no trade list for the next 3 years, but I don't see him waiving his full NTC this year to go there.

Yep! The prairie extends through much of Alberta well north of Edmonton. I’ve spent lots of time in Alberta.

 

[Reality Czech]

I can't imagine one of our worst contracts being a requirement to get the deal done. A little bit of wishful thinking and dot connecting on our part here if we're being honest...

Let's be honest, trading for EP at all is wishful thinking. The Schenn contract isn't as bad as some people make it seem though.

 

[sfvega]

Let's be honest, trading for EP at all is wishful thinking. The Schenn contract isn't as bad as some people make it seem though.

The Schenn contract isn't that bad in terms of us being able to afford it. We're kidding ourselves if we want to act like a power forward into his mid-30s at a 6.5 cap hit isn't a tough sell to another team.

 

[BleedBlue14]

It’s kinda shocking how little the Cardinals got for tearing their team down. Like…I’m concerned about them. And baseball in general. The league isn’t even trying for parity. It feels like the cardinals are in financial distress; they haven’t invested in coaching, sold AAA and AA, now seem to be bent over the barrel trying to reduce payroll.

The Cardinals traded the World Series mvp, a World Series starter and will lose their now old mvp first baseman and gold glove 3rd baseman.

All for nothing basically.

Meanwhile Doug Armstrong owns the U20 scoring leaderboard for the second year in a row after one deadline of deals and his team never bottomed out.

Baseball trades are much different than hockey trades along with prospects in general. Most superstars in baseball come out of the international free agent signings or just a random round. Almost all top end hockey players come out of the first round or you can see it at a very young age. There are certainly exceptions to the rule both ways.

Just a completely different market as a whole. The issue for the Cardinals is that they wanted to spend to stay competitive for a long time, disregarded completely development of players - the ones they didn't they hit a bad run of luck - Carlos Martinez being a moron, Alex Reyes being a moron and punching the dugout wall, and then Oscar Tavares. To go along with the wanting to spend, they always shopped in the 2nd or 3rd tier because their hands were tied by management. Right now in baseball to turn things around quickly you either have to have endless pockets, ungodly international signing periods, or an innovative front office. I'm hoping that Chaim and Cerfolio are a step towards the last one. Because we don't have a great presence anymore in the international signing portion - we probably had a good chance with Yadi and Pujols but those days are gone, and we don't seem to have the payroll to go past the 12th highest spending team in the league, which simply isn't going to cut it. Chaim was on the front edge with the Rays and Cerfolio has been a higher up with Cleveland for a bit, if you want an innovative front office right now, those are the two teams to poach from. But it's hard to tell what's going to happen.

Teams just don't trade young high end talent all too often for expiring contracts or aged veterans in baseball. Just look at what the Yankees gave up for Devon Williams. That's what you should expect a Ryan Helsley trade to look like, and honestly, I wouldn't be too thrilled about that.

That being said, I think there are a few pieces the Cardinals could/should move off of that could net a decent return, however they seem unwilling to do that - Fedde/Gray - with how the starting pitching UFA market looked and also how many teams need front of the rotation arms.

 

[PJJJP]

Yeah a big problem for the Cardinals was we just haven't produced a lot of star players over the past 7-8 years. Sure we might get a season out of someone surprising or we are really good at producing 2.0 WAR players but no one special. Hopefully the new guys can help us out with that because under DeWitt i don't see us competiting with the big boys in FA. Anyway back to hockey I do wonder if the Hurricanes go after Pettersson again. They made a good offer in the offseason centered around Necas.

 

[PeoriaBlues309]

I can't imagine one of our worst contracts being a requirement to get the deal done. A little bit of wishful thinking and dot connecting on our part here if we're being honest...

I’m saying “requirement” in the manner of them likely needing a guy who can play a top 6 center role in the deal.

 

[sfvega]

I’m saying “requirement” in the manner of them likely needing a guy who can play a top 6 center role in the deal.

Yeah, but imagine us trading Jordan Kyrou and Montreal is trying to get us to take Brendan Gallagher back. We'd tell them to get lost in a heartbeat.

 

[StlBigFly]

Yeah, but imagine us trading Jordan Kyrou and Montreal is trying to get us to take Brendan Gallagher back. We'd tell them to get lost in a heartbeat.

Or like trading TJ Oshie for Troy Brouwer.

We would never!

 

[BleedBlue14]

Or like trading TJ Oshie for Troy Brouwer.

We would never!

Except Oshie was a 50-60 point player. Kyrou is a 70-80 point player. I get the point you're making though.

As another question throwing it out there, and I get it's unlikely, but how many would be happy if the Blues signed Sam Bennett in the offseason if he makes it to UFA - which i'd imagine may be likely unless he takes a large paycut or the Panthers forgo defensive spending?

Seems like a good guy to have play 2C until Dvorsky is ready. I don't think we're really in the position to do it yet as I think he'll get a contract similar to what Chandler Stephenson got and he hasn't really had impressive regular seasons, but it's hard to deny that he brings a different element and rises to the occasion in the playoffs.

 

[sfvega]

Or like trading TJ Oshie for Troy Brouwer.

We would never!

I didn't realize we took a bad contract back for an expiring Brouwer.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Except Oshie was a 50-60 point player. Kyrou is a 70-80 point player. I get the point you're making though.

As another question throwing it out there, and I get it's unlikely, but how many would be happy if the Blues signed Sam Bennett in the offseason if he makes it to UFA - which i'd imagine may be likely unless he takes a large paycut or the Panthers forgo defensive spending?

Seems like a good guy to have play 2C until Dvorsky is ready. I don't think we're really in the position to do it yet as I think he'll get a contract similar to what Chandler Stephenson got and he hasn't really had impressive regular seasons, but it's hard to deny that he brings a different element and rises to the occasion in the playoffs.

I mentioned this a couple weeks ago. Bennett would be a great add. Hard-nosed and gritty but skilled center who could shift to the wing after a couple seasons, if necessary. But, if we're to sign him for a reasonable deal, I'd have to imagine the Panthers would match that offer.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I mentioned this a couple weeks ago. Bennett would be a great add. Hard-nosed and gritty but skilled center who could shift to the wing after a couple seasons, if necessary. But, if we're to sign him for a reasonable deal, I'd have to imagine the Panthers would match that offer.

I like Bennett, but if he leaves Florida he’s likely to get more than Stephenson. Maybe a lot more. Not sure I wanna do that.

 

[PJJJP]

I mentioned this a couple weeks ago. Bennett would be a great add. Hard-nosed and gritty but skilled center who could shift to the wing after a couple seasons, if necessary. But, if we're to sign him for a reasonable deal, I'd have to imagine the Panthers would match that offer.

He would be interesting to get but I imagine we would have to overpay by quiet a bit to get him here

 

[Reality Czech]

He would be interesting to get but I imagine we would have to overpay by quiet a bit to get him here

My thoughts exactly. Every team that needs a solid center is gonna be bidding on him this summer. Would love to have him on the team though.

 

[StlBigFly]

Except Oshie was a 50-60 point player. Kyrou is a 70-80 point player. I get the point you're making though.

As another question throwing it out there, and I get it's unlikely, but how many would be happy if the Blues signed Sam Bennett in the offseason if he makes it to UFA - which i'd imagine may be likely unless he takes a large paycut or the Panthers forgo defensive spending?

Seems like a good guy to have play 2C until Dvorsky is ready. I don't think we're really in the position to do it yet as I think he'll get a contract similar to what Chandler Stephenson got and he hasn't really had impressive regular seasons, but it's hard to deny that he brings a different element and rises to the occasion in the playoffs.

I always felt Gallagher would end up in stl if he were ever traded around. I think a lot of the old timer fans want to make bob bassen comparables and I’m all for that. Or Dallas seems like a home for him. But yeah plz don’t let us redo oshie for Brouwer with Kyrou.

It’ll be interesting to see what Bennett wants. You’d have to guess he’ll have a lot of options and interesting roles - get to pick an opportunity that fits whatever his priorities are. I think he’d be cool here.

 

[StlBigFly]

What are your opinions on chychrun?

We can’t go 2 years without him being in trade rumors and the aggregator site just refreshed us all that he’s a pending ufa.

I feel the knock on him that held him back was health and then last year he played 82, this year playing well.

Dude is having a weird, but sometimes really good career. Now somebody is going to be buying the good ages; 27-33. I wonder who. It’s wild this dude isn’t 27 yet.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

What are your opinions on chychrun?

We can’t go 2 years without him being in trade rumors and the aggregator site just refreshed us all that he’s a pending ufa.

I feel the knock on him that held him back was health and then last year he played 82, this year playing well.

Dude is having a weird, but sometimes really good career. Now somebody is going to be buying the good ages; 27-33. I wonder who. It’s wild this dude isn’t 27 yet.

Pretty sure he'll stay with Washington

 

[PocketNines]

Since the last time Chychrun was seriously discussed we now have Broberg, Fowler, Suter, over there with Lindstein, Fischer, Ralph, Burns in the pipeline and theoretically Nick Leddy is still alive and viable one day. It's so moot

If anything, we need an RD as Faulk is faultering while Parayko remains stout. Parayko looks like an easy 1000 game defenseman and he's at 700 so he's got part of that right side on lockdown but if we found a way to get a high end impact RD, to me that is the most important missing piece in the event it isn't Adam Jiricek who is our only in house potential piece on that front. In fact if we were trading for the established NHL RD who comes available then potentially Jiricek + 1st fulfills the "strong prospect at the same position" piece of a trade. I am not looking to do this now because I don't see that trade available. Patience is a virtue at the moment

 

[MissouriMook]

My primary target above all others this offseason would be Noah Dobson. Picking him up, with or without moving Faulk, would have a Broberg-like impact on our Top 4.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I doubt EP gets moved. If they are smart they will move Miller. And I want absolutely nothing to do with Miller.


JR seems to think we'll make a move for a center if I'm reading his last article correctly.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I doubt EP gets moved. If they are smart they will move Miller. And I want absolutely nothing to do with Miller.


JR seems to think we'll make a move for a center if I'm reading his last article correctly.

I wouldn't say he thinks we'll do that, it's one of his bold predictions, and had Granlund. I don't think we'll go for someone like that, he'll cost a decent amount based on his production. I wouldn't be shocked if we trade for a center, but we don't have a lot of picks to work with.

If we get someone, I don't think it will be a vet rental.