2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

StlBigFly

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What’s the most you guys would give up for EP?

I’ve gone full circle. I don’t want him anymore after about 36 hours of thinking it’s a great idea.

I can’t handle the concept that he’s super super soft. Maybe it’s not true. I don’t want to lose somebody like Dvorsky with that risk.

Plus I like the combo of Schenn and Thomas running the team. We play classy hockey, nobody gets pushed over, and our locker room doesn’t spill out to the media. If you put Petey on top of or in the leadership group you may end up with what Vancouver is dealing with.

Why hasn’t he gave a brief interview and just made all this go away?


He’s in their group now and he’s clearly lost any control. Maybe a new team is perfect for him. Maybe not. Maybe he lacks the minimum leadership skills needed to be a cornerstone piece - or maybe this is an experience where he learns some leadership lessons and the new team wins. I can see the upside but if the downside is real…

Regardless - Elite performance solves everything, he has Quinn Hughes on his team. Points should be easy. Nobody healthy in the top 6 of a Quinn Hughes lead team has an excuse for mid production.
 
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bleedblue1223

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I think we are one of the ideal teams for Pettersson, and I don't think we get him, but I do think we are ideal. We are a small/mid market team, and while a guy like Kyrou had that booing incident after Berube was fired, and he can be a whipping boy for some, I don't think this fanbase hold negative grudges against it's own players. Kyrou is clearly still enjoying his time here. We already have an established leadership group in place and a clear transition of power in the front office, it's a very stable organization. And on top of that, we have a couple Swedes on the team, have more coming, and our GM will soon be a Swede. Pettersson would be able to come in and be comfortable and himself and not be forced into a leadership role that he probably doesn't want, it doesn't seem like it fits his personality.

If he is moved, I'd be pretty intrigued at what he goes for, it has mistake for Vancouver written all over it. Vancouver is in a bad spot regardless though. Their drafts are a good example of why you need to draft outside of the 1st to actually rebuild. Sure, they got Hughes and Pettersson, but nothing else in those drafts. 2016 was a bust, 2015 only got Boeser, and 2019 was pretty much a bust.
 

Brian39

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I'm absolutely expecting the price will be two-three major assets plus cap dumps. Looking at the Eichel trade for example. And thats with Eichel having health issues.
My quibble with this thought is that I'm not sure if a single asset in the Eichel package was directly "major." Or if we are calling 2-3 of them 'major' then we need to consider that the NHL players being discussed as a return for Petey are 1-2 tiers above being a 'major' asset. Buffalo wanted three 1sts (or 1st equivalent) for Eichel and they got it. But they didn't get a stud NHL player plus two 1st round assets.

Tuch was a good NHL player, but he was a 25 year old who had only played at a 50+ point pace once in his career. He wasn't nearly the caliber player being floated as a return for Petey. The 1st was expected to be mid-late and Krebs was a really good (but not elite) prospect who wasn't NHL ready early in his D+3 season.

The 2nd and 3rd assets would have been a hell of a lot worse if you replace Tuch with a guy on par with the Kyrou, Dobson, Barzal, Larkin, etc that we've been hearing in the Petey discussion. Buffalo got their quantity of 1st round value assets that they were famously asking for. But that doesn't mean that every stud is worth three 1st value assets no matter how good the primary piece is. If Vancouver wants the second and third pieces to match the Eichel return, then they aren't also getting a high end NHL player. If they want a high end NHL player, then they aren't getting the second and third pieces that Buffalo got for Eichel.

Crafting a similar offer to the Eichel trade off our current assets, we're probably talking about Holloway, Snuggy, a 1st (top 10 protected), and something equivalent to a 2nd/3rd rounder. Holloway is currently pacing to match Tuch's career year at the time of the trade (his age 22 season). Tuch was about a year and a half older at the time of the trade than Holloway is now and both had mid-1st round pedigree. He was making $4.5M in year 3 of a 7 year deal. So more expensive, but more certainty than Holloway. Snuggy is pretty similarly positioned to where Krebs was as a prospect. Both in their D+3 season, both mid 1sts, both saw their stock rise post-draft, but neither had proven anything at the NHL level yet. Our 1st is probably viewed a bit more favorably than the Vegas pick at that point.

Kyrou, Dvorsky/Lindstein, and a 1st would be massively more than Buffalo got for Eichel. Kyrou is substantially more valuable than Tuch was. Like, by a country mile. Dvorsky is more valuable than any single asset in the Eichel trade as well. Using Lindstein would get it closer, but the gap between Kyrou/Tuch is way bigger than the difference between Lindstein/Krebs.
 
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PocketNines

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There is absolutely no chance I am considering Stenberg + Stancl (+ more) as throw ins to Jordan Kyrou to get an overpaid suspect player which will be a crippling move if he's not the right player. As of now all indications are that he'd be a mistake and that's why he's even available.

I would far far far far rather just draft a center with their mid-1st this year and also hold onto Stenberg, Stancl and save a Kyrou deal for a different player if one pops available before July 1
 

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It was overwhelmingly discussed here that the cap would increase by 5% for this year (the maximum allowable under the CBA without a separate agreement). Which it did. In fact, the NHL and PA actually agreed for it to increase slightly more than 5%. Absolutely no one argued that it would skyrocket the previous year, because the escrow debt was not paid off. The argument was that the cap would go up 5% per year once the escrow debt was paid off until the expiration of the 2020 MOU that de-linked the cap from HRR. Which is exactly what has happened.

You are either making shit up or your reading comprehension on the topic has badly failed you. Your failure to understand what annual 5% jumps looks like does not make it any less true. Bettman is not able to "control" the salary cap. He does not "allow" for it to jump. You need to learn the absolute basics of how the salary cap is calculated.

Barring a lockout, the cap in 2026/27 is going to be linked to HRR for the first time since COVID. "What Bettman wants" isn't part of the linkage formula.

The league made $6.2B in revenue last year. They are projecting $6.6B this year. If we were using the linkage formula to come up with the 2025/26 cap, the cap would be $105M for 2025/26. Even if the league experiences no growth in 2025/26, the cap is going to be in the $100M-$105M range. With continued growth, the cap is going to get to $110M+.

I think the NHL and PA want to smooth this growth by raising the cap by an extra few million this summer (beyond the $92.4M projection that is the maximum 5% allowed without a deal). And I could see all parties agreeing to a lag formula for the first 2-3 years of the next CBA. But the cap is going to be linked to HRR again, which means a skyrocketing cap with skyrocketed revenue.

So what you're saying is, the cap is in fact not going to sky rocket?
 

sfvega

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The only big move this team needs to be making is upgrading and offloading Faulk. Even if we have to retain and add a good prospect, if we can turn it into another Lehtera for Schenn deal then we're in a great spot going forward. If we could find a Hronek type deal, all of a sudden we're closer to the finished rebuild than the start IMO.
 

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The only big move this team needs to be making is upgrading and offloading Faulk. Even if we have to retain and add a good prospect, if we can turn it into another Lehtera for Schenn deal then we're in a great spot going forward. If we could find a Hronek type deal, all of a sudden we're closer to the finished rebuild than the start IMO.
The biggest need on the team is a 2C

Pettersson is an elite young player. We should definitely be trying to acquire him. Not sure what the extent of the off ice issues are but I would bet they are overblown.
Canadian media always blows things out of proportion, I think he would fit in nicely here with a way more lax media situation and some Swedes/future Swedish GM he would like it I think.
 

joe galiba

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Vancouver - there is no way in hell they should be moving EP, they simple will not be able to replace the hole at center,
if the locker room thing is to big to overcome, then it is the decade older player they should be offloading
 
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bleedblue1223

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Short-term need is #2 center, but in theory, Dvorsky fills that relatively soon. Long-term need is RD. I'd be comfortable with Army acquiring someone to fill either role aggressively, leaning towards filling RD as that's more of a long-term need. I'd be just as fine going for a C, and then figure out the positions later if Dvorsky hits his potential.
 

bleedblue1223

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I still view Miller to Rangers, with a defenseman going to Vancouver. I think we just see 2 broken teams swapping parts and remaining broken.
 

Brian39

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Vancouver - there is no way in hell they should be moving EP, they simple will not be able to replace the hole at center,
if the locker room thing is to big to overcome, then it is the decade older player they should be offloading
I'm also in the 'moving Petey is a bad idea for them' camp, but Miller has a full NMC and has been the objectively better player during their time together. Miller has outproduced Petey in 4 of their 5 seasons together and has outscored Petey 427-374 in their shared time in Vancouver. The current coach obviously likes Miller more and Miller was clearly better last season (and in the playoffs).

Miller being 5 years older than Petey is a major factor to consider, but I also get that the organization believes that trading out Miller would send the exact wrong message to Petey. And it would create as large a hole as trading Petey.

sure, but the press box is always nice and cozy
I think you would see Hughes demand a trade if the team decided to sit Miller to try and force a trade.

JT Miller is 11th in league scoring since joining the Canucks. He was 9th last season and got Hart votes. You sit a player like him and the entire team revolts (rightfully so).
 

Brian39

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So what you're saying is, the cap is in fact not going to sky rocket?
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I value Stenberg more than our 1st round pick this year. I see a 1st line NHL LW. Stenberg is relentless and smart and the best non Dvorsky forward prospect, then it's Snuggy or Stancl after those two
 
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bleedblue1223

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I'm also in the 'moving Petey is a bad idea for them' camp, but Miller has a full NMC and has been the objectively better player during their time together. Miller has outproduced Petey in 4 of their 5 seasons together and has outscored Petey 427-374 in their shared time in Vancouver. The current coach obviously likes Miller more and Miller was clearly better last season (and in the playoffs).

Miller being 5 years older than Petey is a major factor to consider, but I also get that the organization believes that trading out Miller would send the exact wrong message to Petey. And it would create as large a hole as trading Petey.
Yeah, this is what highlights the tough position they are in. Realistically, they window isn't open and probably won't improve after a Miller or Petey trade. They were really good last year when Hughes, Miller, and Petey were all putting up very good numbers. Hughes is maintaining that, but Miller and Petey haven't been good enough. They have guys like Willander coming, but they haven't drafted well enough to have a new internal core come and support the Hughes core. The defense is a mess.

They are stuck in this situation where a likely conclusion is trading one of their elite pieces, which is one of the main reasons they have a shot at competing, and you rarely win those trades.

And on top of all that, they have a decision to make on Boeser, who had 40 goals last season, and also had a pretty significant role in their success.

I value Stenberg more than our 1st round pick this year. I see a 1st line NHL LW. Stenberg is relentless and smart and the best non Dvorsky forward prospect, then it's Snuggy or Stancl after those two
I'd value him more than our 1st this year too.
 
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The only asset I really want out of Vancouver is Willander. I think Pettersson is a good player, but I'm concerned that his success is driven more by playing with Huges, who is unreal. He had a great playoff during the Covid bubble year, but was total ass last season in the playoffs. He seems pudding soft, and all the talk out of Vancouver isn't helping that image at all.
 
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ChicagoBlues

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I want to get a lottery pick in 2026 so we can get his brother, Ivar, on the team. Apparently, Ivar's even better than Otto was at the same age.

...Am I being unreasonable?
Hellifiknow!

We want what we want. And that’s that. Ain’t no splainin it.
 

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