2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Snubbed4Vezina]

The Frederic speculation is that there might be mutual interest for obvious reasons with Frederic & the Blues when he becomes a free agent this summer...has nothing to do with Saad. Boston should get a healthy return for Frederic if they believe he's not re-signing and want to move him at the deadline...Freidman said there is a lot of interest leaguewide.

How healthy of a return are we thinking here? Frederic is a bottom 6 player on an expiring deal. He definitely brings some grit but I can't imagine him fetching a ton. He only has 11 points in 32 games.

I think a lot of Blues fans (not necessarily you) are overrating Frederic quite a bit and I certainly wouldn't move any high-value assets for four months of him.

 

[StlBigFly]

How healthy of a return are we thinking here? Frederic is a bottom 6 player on an expiring deal. He definitely brings some grit but I can't imagine him fetching a ton. He only has 11 points in 32 games.

I think a lot of Blues fans (not necessarily you) are overrating Frederic quite a bit and I certainly wouldn't move any high-value assets for four months of him.

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I think I’m afraid of that deal due to Tanner Jeannot’s first deal. He went for so much (effectively 2 firsts) at 25 with one 25 goal season. Frederic has two almost 20 goal seasons and can flex into the center slot.

I think maybe Boston has this one shot and they’re gonna maximize it for themselves. I’m not sure I want to do something like bolduc plus for him or whatever the ask would be, but that’s my guess. They’d want like more than a first and they’d also want something that impacts the nhl. Who knows tho. Always about what kind of market exists and how many folks want the player, what Boston actually covets.

If he were cheaper than that sign me up, but it feels like a deal a surging contender would make versus us.

 

[TheOrganist]

How healthy of a return are we thinking here? Frederic is a bottom 6 player on an expiring deal. He definitely brings some grit but I can't imagine him fetching a ton. He only has 11 points in 32 games.

I think a lot of Blues fans (not necessarily you) are overrating Frederic quite a bit and I certainly wouldn't move any high-value assets for four months of him.

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I wasn’t advocating trading for Frederic, they were talking about him on 32 Thoughts this morning about his price tag if he’s dealt and Friedman was speculating there would be a lot of teams interested. I would never give up an asset for him when we can theoretically sign him this summer. I was referring to the potential mutual interest as free agent between the Blues and Frederic bc of his STL ties and the Monty connection. But I agree I tend to think he’d be too rich and we have plenty of young talent on the wings.

 

[sfvega]

I'm not holding my breath on a good Saad return. Probably a late 3rd or a bottom 6er akin to Texier or Joseph. He's not doing us or himself any favors out there this year.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I think I’m afraid of that deal due to Tanner Jeannot’s first deal. He went for so much (effectively 2 firsts) at 25 with one 25 goal season. Frederic has two almost 20 goal seasons and can flex into the center slot.

I think maybe Boston has this one shot and they’re gonna maximize it for themselves. I’m not sure I want to do something like bolduc plus for him or whatever the ask would be, but that’s my guess. They’d want like more than a first and they’d also want something that impacts the nhl. Who knows tho. Always about what kind of market exists and how many folks want the player, what Boston actually covets.

If he were cheaper than that sign me up, but it feels like a deal a surging contender would make versus us.

I like the style of player, but frankly, I don’t think we need to be adding more of it currently. I also don’t think there’s much value into putting him into the center position. He took 280 or so faceoffs last year and has taken 70 or so this year. That’s about 3-4 per game. And he’s been pretty lackluster on the draw. Pairing that with him slotting in at wing frequently makes me believe he isn’t much of a center. If we didn’t have Neighbors or Schenn or he was a definite center I’d have more interest. Frankly though I’d rather the Blues not sign him on the UFA market as is. We’ve geared towards team speed and adressed that this offseason and it’s made the offense flow a lot better (at times you see a bit of the old) in general.

I don’t think Matthieu Joseph is a great player by any means, but I don’t think he’s a bad one either and he’s got a bit of bite to his game.

In summary: I guess I just don’t really see a spot for Frederic aside from 3C and I don’t think he’s much built for that spot. I’d much rather let Sunny continue to fill that role until the offseason and try and adress it then. Our depth at wing is pretty good right now and I don’t feel like it makes much sense to pay to add another one especially given the Snuggerud situation potentially being in play for late this year.

 

[PocketNines]

People tell themselves that if a St. Louis born player comes to play in STL he will be better than what he has shown so far. They feel it, and they project it onto the player. Then the player is pretty much the same player he already is. And if that's going to be the case here, I am not too interested in Frederic. I don't see any special reason he will level up. What he is and has been, not interested in that type of player. Boston fans know hockey and they are bored with this guy, they are like fine have him.

A rich man's Logan Brown is still not great

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I don't think Frederick is the type of player we need.

 

[PocketNines]

The joke has been made before, and it should be made again.

We neither have a hole in one, nor do we need a whole new roof

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

I don't think Frederick is the type of player we need.

I would love a player like Frederic but my offer ends at Alexei Toropchenko and a C-level prospect if Frederic is willing to sign long-term on a team-friendly deal.

I don't think the Bruins make that deal and I have no reason to believe some team isn't going to pony up $4.5M per season for a player that's probably worth closer to $3M.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

I'd rather just sign Frederic in the offseason. I like his game when he fills the right role. If he'd come home for a small discount and term no more than 3-4 years then sign me up. No need to give up assets this year, or overpay in FAgency, if those terms arent met we can always pivot.

 

[Majorityof1]

"70- point a year scoring Kyrou sucks and is lazy. Let's trade him and sign tough-guy 30 point scoring Frederic. That's the answer." -some Blues fan, probably

No thank you to Frederic. We need skill. We need scoring, we do not need to sign bottom 6 players to UFA level deals

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

"70- point a year scoring Kyrou sucks and is lazy. Let's trade him and sign tough-guy 30 point scoring Frederic. That's the answer." -some Blues fan, probably

I hate that this actually sounds realistic.

 

[PocketNines]

I wonder if the huge number of times the play simply died with him, because he made a poor decision or a weak play, or he turned it over but no bad result happened, has anything to do with how people think of that 70 point player

maybe?

 

[SirPaste]

I would love a player like Frederic but my offer ends at Alexei Toropchenko and a C-level prospect if Frederic is willing to sign long-term on a team-friendly deal.

I don't think the Bruins make that deal and I have no reason to believe some team isn't going to pony up $4.5M per season for a player that's probably worth closer to $3M.

Why are we trading Torpchenko for a guy we can sign for free in a couple months? Is he even better than Torp?

 

[Reality Czech]

"70- point a year scoring Kyrou sucks and is lazy. Let's trade him and sign tough-guy 30 point scoring Frederic. That's the answer." -some Blues fan, probably

No thank you to Frederic. We need skill. We need scoring, we do not need to sign bottom 6 players to UFA level deals

Wow, great analysis there. Mr. Hyperbole strikes again.

Maybe Frederic isn't the right target but we only need a 3c to bridge the gap til Dvorsky is ready.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I still think if we make a trade with Boston Coyle should be the Target, especially with him having a slow start and maybe his value being a little lower due to that.

I feel he could center the 2nd line with Kyrou or slide between Holloway and Bolduc on the 3rd line. He also can play the wing as well when Dvo is called up and he's only on contract until end of next year So it's not a long term commitment and we can flip him for additional assets later.

 

[joe galiba]

Why would Boston subtract, they are in the 3rd spot in their division

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Why would Boston subtract, they are in the 3rd spot in their division

Boston is 3rd in their division but 15th in the league. I don't expect them to sell right now, but, they have a possibility of falling down the standings fast if they hit a wall.

 

[Majorityof1]

Wow, great analysis there. Mr. Hyperbole strikes again.

Maybe Frederic isn't the right target but we only need a 3c to bridge the gap til Dvorsky is ready.

Did I touch a nerve? If you want analysis, here it is. When you need a 3C, maybe don't target a guy who plays wing.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I still think if we make a trade with Boston Coyle should be the Target, especially with him having a slow start and maybe his value being a little lower due to that.

I feel he could center the 2nd line with Kyrou or slide between Holloway and Bolduc on the 3rd line. He also can play the wing as well when Dvo is called up and he's only on contract until end of next year So it's not a long term commitment and we can flip him for additional assets later.

Would agree that Coyle is a much better target. I don't think I'd want the Blues to pay that much for a filling the hole, but nonetheless Coyle is a much better target from my viewpoint for the Blues than Frederic.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Why are we trading Torpchenko for a guy we can sign for free in a couple months? Is he even better than Torp?

Because Toropchenko is just a guy and Frederic is, at least to this point, the significantly better player. 82 pts in the last 3 seasons to Torp's 45.

I'll admit that I've never understood the fascination with Toropchenko though other than size. I just don't see a guy that's going to be in the picture once he starts getting paid more.

Would agree that Coyle is a much better target. I don't think I'd want the Blues to pay that much for a filling the hole, but nonetheless Coyle is a much better target from my viewpoint for the Blues than Frederic.

I've always loved Charlie Coyle's game. Would definitely kick the tires as a stopgap center option.

 

[Memento]

I know he doesn't fill much of a need, but I would kill for Kaapo Kakko.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I know he doesn't fill much of a need, but I would kill for Kaapo Kakko.

While I think getting him would be good for the NOW i don't know how good it would be a year from now.

If we could Jettison POJ, Saad, and Tex, Bring in Kakko for 3RW, and call up Dvo I think we have a good setup right now.

Neighbours-Thomas-Buch
Holloway-Dvo-Kyrou
Bolduc-Schenn-Kakko


But, we still need to think about Snuggy being on the way at the end of this season as well.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

While I think getting him would be good for the NOW i don't know how good it would be a year from now.

If we could Jettison POJ, Saad, and Tex, Bring in Kakko for 3RW, and call up Dvo I think we have a good setup right now.

Neighbours-Thomas-Buch
Holloway-Dvo-Kyrou
Bolduc-Schenn-Kakko


But, we still need to think about Snuggy being on the way at the end of this season as well.

His contract is only through the end of this year, so if he isn’t a good fit you could just flip him / let him walk.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

His contract is only through the end of this year, so if he isn’t a good fit you could just flip him / let him walk.

Yeah, I would love to have him right now. I think he could play pretty well with Bolduc. I just feel throwing assets towards him when we have Snuggy coming in in less that 5 Months is a weird transaction. Now if we can get him for lower value due to the Rangers being a trainwreck, I wouldn't mind it too much.