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2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.
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I’m just not sure why a non playoff team wants Saad.
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Possible I guess. Not sure why a shitty team would spend assets on a shitty player lol
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I'm thinking more about his family. Not realistic, maybe, but that's my thought process,
They wouldn't. I'm pretty sure that the Bruins would want futures at this point. I don't think Kimzey was actually proposing a Frederic for Saad swap, it's more like he was just describing the level of player we should realistically expect in return. I just answered because I really like Frederic.
I don't expect a player back for Saad unless it's a lower end prospect. I'm expecting mid round picks.
what about Toronto for saad?
Got the Berube connection.
They probably don’t expect Pacioretty to sustain 15-16 min a game for a whole season.
Therefore they probably would like some dirt cheap secondary scoring on the left side.
McMann seems suited for the 4th line role.
Maybe we can pry something out of Toronto. Maybe it can be a little better than what we were going to get if we retain and give them a nice cheap secondary scoring threat for 2 years.
Got the Berube connection.
They probably don’t expect Pacioretty to sustain 15-16 min a game for a whole season.
Therefore they probably would like some dirt cheap secondary scoring on the left side.
McMann seems suited for the 4th line role.
Maybe we can pry something out of Toronto. Maybe it can be a little better than what we were going to get if we retain and give them a nice cheap secondary scoring threat for 2 years.
He would have to be willing to waive to go there. You never know; he might.
I would ask for a 2nd. Being that it will likely be a high 2nd, I don't think that is unreasonable.
DatDude44
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Agreed, also wonder what their plan is with Robertson? He seems like someone who could benefit from a change of scenery and fits the timeline
I think it’s more than plausible to see an expiring contract coming back, especially if it means no retention and/or a better return.
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The Pens are only 1 point out of the 2nd wild card in the East. I'm sure they aren't throwing in the towel just yet. They are only 2 points "shittier" than we are so far this year.
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If Saad is traded to a playoff-bound team, then it would be a mid to low 2nd unless the receiving team doesn’t have their own 2nd and has a bad team’s 2nd from a previous trade.
Maybe the Toronto McCabe transaction is a nice guiderail if Saad moved to Toronto. Maybe a deal expands slightly.
McCabe was a similar depth contributor moved with a little term and retention. I think most would look at McCabe and think he is worth maybe around a 2nd, kinda a fringe top 4 d relative to others, not offensive, not magical, but then the deal expands, there is some retention, and the prize became a 1st. Is also nice that tor then signed the guy so you’d maybe guess this path left a good aftertaste.
Saad retained, toropchenko for mcMann/whoever B- prospect, some dump, and a future equivalent to a first? Idk something like that. I’m not into moving torop but if gmda can pull a 1st out of Saad then I gotta reconsider.
McCabe was a similar depth contributor moved with a little term and retention. I think most would look at McCabe and think he is worth maybe around a 2nd, kinda a fringe top 4 d relative to others, not offensive, not magical, but then the deal expands, there is some retention, and the prize became a 1st. Is also nice that tor then signed the guy so you’d maybe guess this path left a good aftertaste.
“Blackhawks trading Jake McCabe, Sam Lafferty, a 5th in 2024 and a 5th in 2025 to Toronto. Maple Leafs’ 1st in 2025 (top 10 protected), 2nd in 2026, Joey Anderson and Pavel Gogolev coming back.”
Saad retained, toropchenko for mcMann/whoever B- prospect, some dump, and a future equivalent to a first? Idk something like that. I’m not into moving torop but if gmda can pull a 1st out of Saad then I gotta reconsider.
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bleedblue1223
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Friedman said on his podcast that Saad has been available for awhile now, around 32:56 mark. Also sounds like he's to the point where he's going to open up his NTC to go somewhere.
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Even with the cap expected to go up at a healthy clip, I'd assume the second year would be a problem for contending teams up against it without retention and that doesn't seem to be Army's thing.
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I don’t dislike Frederic, and I think it’d be cool for him to come home, but I would just prefer an actual center coming back in a Saad deal.
I’m sure we’d have to add a little bit to get it done, but we already have too many bottom six wingers as is.
Who knows though, maybe the plan is to use Holloway at C until Dvorsky is ready. I just like him more at the 2LW spot next to Holloway and Kyrou.
I’m sure we’d have to add a little bit to get it done, but we already have too many bottom six wingers as is.
Who knows though, maybe the plan is to use Holloway at C until Dvorsky is ready. I just like him more at the 2LW spot next to Holloway and Kyrou.
I can see a few angles on interest in Saad. He's a battle-tested vet forward who has performed well in the playoffs. A playoff or bubble team hoping to make some waves could do worse if they're looking to batten down the hatches for a run. I could also see a struggling/rebuilding team seeing the upside in getting a guy with almost 900 games to stabilize their group and "play the right way." I think he's the kind of guy the GMs of the league would like a lot more than the fans do.
Whatever ends up happening there, I hope we manage to get a draft pick out of it. We only have 3 this year, and it would be nice to re-stock that cupboard a bit.
Whatever ends up happening there, I hope we manage to get a draft pick out of it. We only have 3 this year, and it would be nice to re-stock that cupboard a bit.
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The Frederic speculation is that there might be mutual interest for obvious reasons with Frederic & the Blues when he becomes a free agent this summer...has nothing to do with Saad. Boston should get a healthy return for Frederic if they believe he's not re-signing and want to move him at the deadline...Freidman said there is a lot of interest leaguewide.
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At the start of the year I wasn't interested in moving Saad by the deadline unless we got a really strong offer. I was more than content to keep him past the trade deadline and circle back to find a deal on draft day if the best offer we got was simply a 2nd round pick (assuming 50% retention on our end). While I do think that he will have a hot streak that gets him back into 20 goal territory, I'm more willing to move him for a 2nd (with retention) than I was a couple months ago. He isn't remotely fitting into Monty's scheme and I have more concern about him becoming the odd-man-out in the middle 6 than I did under Bannister.
I'm still not really interested in just giving him away though. I would still much rather retain 50% to make him worth something of value than simply dumping him for peanuts/nothing to get the contract off the books. We aren't in a cap crunch in 2025/26 (unless Krug and Leddy are both healthy at which point we would have to solve that crunch by shedding a LHD anyway), so I think using some of that space to gain a useful pick/asset is better than just freeing up the space in order to potentially use it in the future.
He hasn't looked good under Monty, but he has a long track record of even strength (and 2nd PP unit) production and responsible defensive play. I still think that he's an appealing asset at $2.25M AAV and I'd prefer to see if time can prove me right (while risking that I could be wrong) than just rushing to get rid of him.
But if we can essentially recoup what we gave up for Fowler, then I do get moving him.
I'm still not really interested in just giving him away though. I would still much rather retain 50% to make him worth something of value than simply dumping him for peanuts/nothing to get the contract off the books. We aren't in a cap crunch in 2025/26 (unless Krug and Leddy are both healthy at which point we would have to solve that crunch by shedding a LHD anyway), so I think using some of that space to gain a useful pick/asset is better than just freeing up the space in order to potentially use it in the future.
He hasn't looked good under Monty, but he has a long track record of even strength (and 2nd PP unit) production and responsible defensive play. I still think that he's an appealing asset at $2.25M AAV and I'd prefer to see if time can prove me right (while risking that I could be wrong) than just rushing to get rid of him.
But if we can essentially recoup what we gave up for Fowler, then I do get moving him.
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Pittsburgh is 1 point out of a playoff spot in the East and could use some help on the wing and as been playing much better of late. That's a team that's going all in with their aging core so I could definitely see a spot for the Pittsburgh native there.
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