2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

CaliforniaBlues310

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Looking forward to next year, it’s seeming like our top 9 forward group will include:

Thomas, Kyrou, Buchnevich, Schenn, Saad, Holloway, Neighbours, Dvorsky, Snuggerud, and Bolduc.

That’s 10 guys for 9 spots. I don’t believe that Schenn has positive value in a deal, so I would include Bolduc+Saad(cap)+picks in a deal to get our elusive top line/top 6 upgrade.

I don’t think it would be good for Dvorsky’s development to rush him into top 6 minutes, so I think he should be our 3C until he earns that time. If it’s a C we acquire, we can always move him or Dvorsky to wing when the time comes in a few years.

I know people like Bolduc a lot (I do as well), but I’ve always viewed him as the guy we move for a higher end player in a deal.

If Snuggy hints that he doesn’t want to be here, I would swap it to him..but I think having Monty as our coach instead of Bannister should negate most of that possibility.


Edit: I forgot about Joseph and Texier, but I believe Matty Joe will be on our 4th line, and Tex gets traded this offseason.

Buchnevich-Thomas-Kyrou/Snuggy
Holloway-TBD-Snuggy/Kyrou
Neighbours-Dvorsky-Schenn
Toropchenko-Dean/UFA-Joseph
Sundqvist, Walker
 
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Edit: I forgot about Joseph and Texier, but I believe Matty Joe will be on our 4th line, and Tex gets traded this offseason.

I don't see any reason that Monty would be loyal to those guys. He has incredible job security and those guys were low risk lottery tickets. He knows that he wouldn't be pissing off any front office members by sliding them down the lineup (or into the press box) and their contracts expire after 2025/26 so having them as overpaid extra guys isn't a long term problem.

I think we can safely assume that the plan for 2025/26 doesn't involve them in the top 9 unless they really turn things around.
 

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I don't see any reason that Monty would be loyal to those guys. He has incredible job security and those guys were low risk lottery tickets. He knows that he wouldn't be pissing off any front office members by sliding them down the lineup (or into the press box) and their contracts expire after 2025/26 so having them as overpaid extra guys isn't a long term problem.

I think we can safely assume that the plan for 2025/26 doesn't involve them in the top 9 unless they really turn things around.

Oh for sure! I think some lower end team would take a chance on Tex like we did, and I see Joseph as a guy that would be on our 4th line, but could move up if we have injuries until his deal runs out the summer after.
 
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Looks like NYR has pushed Trouba against it.

They’ve given him options and if he rejects them they’re going to waive him.

I so highly doubt we’re involved but the team will eventually shake up its defense, so deals like this at least let us know how much some things cost. I mean I guess there could be some Trouba for Faulk deal: Faulk is 1.5aav less. Prob not tho yeah?

Detroit would look way better with Trouba imo as long as they didn’t have to take from their roster. Their defense is too young.
 
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Looks like NYR has pushed Trouba against it.

They’ve given him options and if he rejects them they’re going to waive him.

I so highly doubt we’re involved but the team will eventually shake up its defense, so deals like this at least let us know how much some things cost. I mean I guess there could be some Trouba for Faulk deal: Faulk is 1.5aav less. Prob not tho yeah?

Detroit would look way better with Trouba imo as long as they didn’t have to take from their roster. Their defense is too young.
I’d be fine with this as long as the money works. AND we also receive Miller for the troubla*.

*y’all see what I did there?!?
 

StlBigFly

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I’d be fine with this as long as the money works. AND we also receive Miller for the troubla*.

*y’all see what I did there?!?

We’d have to dust off those old casino queen promos.

Stl likes big hits.

But maybe the central was too dangerous when Byguflien was in it and maybe the same case for Trouba. Maybe with how we all play hockey we should avoid mutually assured destruction.
 
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Yeah I have NO illusions about his play (I don't think he's awful) but I think the team would benefit from his big ***k swinging energy. His contract is atrocious but the main reason I would be on board with a trade would be to extort something (Miller/Kakko) from Drury. Plus StL has quality hospital/health industry facility thingies....

That’s where I’m at on this. I know I started the original discussion about him, but I think it’d be smart to get a guy with one less year than Faulk, while also adding a dimension we severely lack.
 

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Cool, that’s your opinion but you don’t speak for every St. Louis fan.

Trouba puts up respectable point totals as well. I think he’s a better player. Faulk is an offensive defenseman who can’t QB a powerplay - him not getting PP time is a knock on his abilities, it’s not like coaching is preventing him from that. It’s close between the two, but Trouba is 2 years younger and also has 1 less year on his contract than Faulk. It makes sense simply from that standpoint.

As for the Rangers actively trying to shed his contract, well we don’t know how active they’ve been in that. He’s been in some rumors but he also plays in NY. Faulk plays in small market STL with a GM who doesn’t let things get out. How do you know we haven’t shopped Faulk around just as much? I’m sure we have at times, like we were doing with Krug. Either way, I don’t think who’s been in trade rumors more has anything to do with their value.
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Trouba traded this afternoon for pennies on the dollar, and Rangers fans are literally offering to drive him to the airport.

 

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Did not expect to see Trouba move without retention or some kind of sweetener. Tidy business by nyr.

You’d maybe guess Anaheim would retain and flip or move Fowler - and now NYR has the firepower to add.

It was fun trying to come up with Brady Tkachuk to the Blues trade concepts but that may be coming to an end.

Nyr with Kreider and Tkachuk is kinda crazy.
 

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He’s been incredible in the playoffs but he seems like he could have a career arc like Jonathan Quick. They better have a capable backup that can help maintain his durability. Such a long deal for a goalie. Always scary.
 
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Just now catching up. I guess Verbeek suffers from “I’m the smartest guy in the roomitis”. Just because you resemble Maynard Keenan doesn’t mean you are Maynard Keenan. I crack myself up
I’m just glad Guerin wasn’t duped into Trouba. Guerin is another former NHL stud turned exec dud.
 
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I’m just glad Guerin wasn’t duped into Trouba. Guerin is another former NHL stud turned exec dud.

You mean the guy whose team is currently leading the NHL in points and whose team consistently overachieves despite people underestimating them each year? Maybe he can't take credit for a lot of the guys they drafted, but I don't think anyone expected the Wild to be as competitive as they have while dealing with those cap penalties from the buyouts.
 

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I now think there is a market I have not identified previously and why Trouba would have value:

Expansion + Inflation era Cap floor teams.

It’s gonna be a thing and maybe a growing thing.

There’s about 4 teams who would benefit from Trouba’s contract. Columbus with the unfortunate passing of JG has a real problem and got a waiver for this season. Anaheim perhaps wants to move Gibson or Fowler. The Flames and Sharks are fine for this season, unless they want flexibility, but maybe not the next ones. Expansionary times stress the available player pool. Young players don’t take up much cap space. If you want your roster to be young your new challenge becomes achieving the cap floor without ruining your development.

As the cap rises in an inflationary manner - which is predicted, you’d imagine these types of scenarios could persist. It’ll make sense to consider staying on the floor when rebuilding because the ceiling is way up there. So suddenly there’s a morphing group of teams desperate for guys who get paid and have a few years left.

From the Blues perspective:

The penalty for signing term and age is reduced (maybe a sneaky positive) because you may always have a taker. Things that used to be a burden to change are perhaps now easy and beneficial. You may even get a tiny bidding war like Trouba seemed to.

I don’t want to send any of our dudes off to one of these rebuilding teams but Doug/Steen gonna do what they gotta do if they gotta do it.

It will be important for St. Louis to build a durable team. Maybe I’ll make less impulsive trade proposals. If we want this team to remain a cap team it’s gotta build something sustainable.
 
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You mean the guy whose team is currently leading the NHL in points and whose team consistently overachieves despite people underestimating them each year? Maybe he can't take credit for a lot of the guys they drafted, but I don't think anyone expected the Wild to be as competitive as they have while dealing with those cap penalties from the buyouts.
Well…..that’s a fair point. Yzerman has regressed, but maybe Guerin has progressed.
 

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