2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Vladys Gumption]

Richards and/or Carter, pretty it was a similar scenario for at least one of them. Very rare though.

They were a couple years into their deals though weren’t they? I could have sworn Richards was two years in. And obviously it’s come out since that it was driven by off ice issues.

Obviously never say never, but I’d be surprised to see similar with Buchnevich.

 

[bleedblue1223]

They were a couple years into their deals though weren’t they? I could have sworn Richards was two years in. And obviously it’s come out since that it was driven by off ice issues.

Obviously never say never, but I’d be surprised to see similar with Buchnevich.

Richards was, but Carter was who i was thinking of. Signed in late 2010, extension started for 11/12 season and was traded summer of 2011.

 

[StlBigFly]

You can't even name the pieces. You've already named the team. What are those elite pieces we are getting from Vancouver (who is also giving away Boeser)?

Can you name a trade where one elite forward in his prime with term was traded for multiple prospects that hit?

If we are trying to make room for elite prospect, why are we moving the 26-year-old and not the older guys you name?

You say we have 3 dozen forward prospects which is a huge exaggeration, but even so, how does traded quality for quantity help us?

You are playing the wishful thinking game. Oh, just plug Dvorsky in for Kyrou and he'll be just as good, even though he has a lower point per game and worse defense in the minors than Kyrou does in the pros. Then all our prospects will hit in 2 years and not take longer or bust. You are doing the equivalent of the underwear Elves from South Park who still underwear in an elaborate plan to make money but don't now how they will make money.

Step 1: Trade Kyrou
Step 2: Ummmmm......
Step 3: Stanley cup!!!!!!

It's an incomplete plan and would be a bad one even if it was complete. Not even the Kyrou haters who scream to trade him at every opportunity are jumping in to support you.

I’d ask Vancouver for Willander, their first in 2025 and second in 2026, the third teams first, the third teams cap dump, the third teams B+ prospect. They get the skaters we get both payouts.

I’d enjoy that the team had a better shot at a very high pedigree talent in this years draft.

I can name a lot of trades. It’s my speciality.

Joe Sakic traded a prime Matt Duchene in a 3 team deal whereby the Avalanche got both payouts which set them up for their cup win and the success they’re currently having. That trade coincided with the avalanche drafting high pedigree talent. Some subset of their fans were likely upset at the time; the team isn’t so great and they just traded their most potent center. It worked out okay. They drafted high pedigree talent because they traded away their high talent nhl forward and others in their prime for multiple young pieces. They wouldn’t have been bad enough to draft all stars if they retained all their great players. Instead they turned one guy into multiple high quality young pieces which they then built with to win a cup. Duchene, a sub 27 year old center who had just netted 30 goals - he was never a bonafide all star, just like Kyrou. He was and is good at some things and flawed at others. He has enjoyed a long career and I’m sure the avalanche are happy for him.

I’d be building for a team that competes in 5 years. Snuggerud is exciting. He’s 20. Dvorsky is exciting. He isn’t even 20 yet. It’s gonna be a minute.

It would suck that my team was momentarily bad but it sure would be nice that when the all star game comes along there’s a guy on our team that’s kind of a no brainer and we haven’t had that in a decade. Just one top 5 pick gets us a better chance at it than we’ll have again for a decade. It’s very unlikely we get this unless we’re bad. We won’t be bad enough as history has shown. We need to push the compete window one more time and take one deep dip into the prospect pool. It’s futile to trade somebody with low value and get somebody with low value in return. You’re just adjusting the mess; not fixing it. We’re close enough to the bottom of the standings that most of the bandaid is already ripped off. Just rip it and be done. Take the parh that the circumstances have given you: the choice to push the compete window aligns with you getting a very good pick right this season.

 

[Majorityof1]

I’d ask Vancouver for Willander, their first in 2025 and second in 2026, the third teams first, the third teams cap dump, the third teams B+ prospect. They get the skaters we get both payouts.

I’d enjoy that the team had a better shot at a very high pedigree talent in this years draft.

I can name a lot of trades. It’s my speciality.

Joe Sakic traded a prime Matt Duchene in a 3 team deal whereby the Avalanche got both payouts which set them up for their cup win and the success they’re currently having. That trade coincided with the avalanche drafting high pedigree talent. Some subset of their fans were likely upset at the time; the team isn’t so great and they just traded their most potent center. It worked out okay. They drafted high pedigree talent because they traded away their high talent nhl forward and others in their prime for multiple young pieces. They wouldn’t have been bad enough to draft all stars if they retained all their great players. Instead they turned one guy into multiple high quality young pieces which they then built with to win a cup.

I’d be building for a team that competes in 5 years.

It would suck that my team was momentarily bad but it sure would be nice that when the all star game comes along there’s a guy on our team that’s kind of a no brainer and we haven’t had that in a decade. Just one top 5 pick gets us a better chance at it than we’ll have again for a decade. It’s very unlikely we get this unless we’re bad. We won’t be bad enough as history has shown. We need to push the compete window one more time and take one deep dip into the prospect pool. It’s futile to trade somebody with low value and get somebody with low value in return. You’re just adjusting the mess; not fixing it. We’re close enough to the bottom of the standings that most of the bandaid is already ripped off. Just rip it and be done. Take the parh that the circumstances have given you: the choice to push the compete window aligns with you getting a very good pick right this season.

I don't think we get all of that. Vancouver would be paying Boeser, a 1st and Willander for Kyrou. That is a lot. I don't see a good chance for elite players in that either. We aren't getting a high first from the 3rd team who is getting a rental, and teams with high firsts wouldn't want a rental. If Boeser comes signed, Vancouver isn't giving up another first and Willander.

So that's two mid to late 1sts a B+ prospect, and a 2nd round pick. those are all a crap shoots and rarely lead to an elite player. Willander could be elite but isn't a guarantee.

Then let's look at the Duchene trade. Avs got the following: Girard, Bowers, Ott 1st (Byram), Kamenev, a 2nd (traded for 2 later picks, getting Annunen and Zhuravlyov), 3rd (Steinburg)

Breaking it down -

Bowers (25 yo in AHL and not producing) + Matthew Steinberg (24 year old AHLer) + Zhuravlyov (left for KHL) + Kamenex (washed out and left for KHL) = 0

Annunen = Backup goalie who could have a bit more upside

Byram - traded for Middlestadt = Middle 6 C

Girard - Good top 4 D, but not on top pair and not elite

So where is the elite talent Colorado got? They got 2 solid pieces with Girard and Byram. But neither is elite. Neither is as good as Kyrou. And that was one trade where Sakic did damn well. If we can get a crazy haul for Kyrou, ok, maybe we pull the trigger, but i wouldn't expect it. That is not the norm. You said coming up with examples is your specialty and that is all you came up with - 1 trade for no elite players.

 

[StlBigFly]

I don't think we get all of that. Vancouver would be paying Boeser, a 1st and Willander for Kyrou. That is a lot. I don't see a good chance for elite players in that either. We aren't getting a high first from the 3rd team who is getting a rental, and teams with high firsts wouldn't want a rental. If Boeser comes signed, Vancouver isn't giving up another first and Willander.

So that's two mid to late 1sts a B+ prospect, and a 2nd round pick. those are all a crap shoots and rarely lead to an elite player. Willander could be elite but isn't a guarantee.

Then let's look at the Duchene trade. Avs got the following: Girard, Bowers, Ott 1st (Byram), Kamenev, a 2nd (traded for 2 later picks, getting Annunen and Zhuravlyov), 3rd (Steinburg)

Breaking it down -

Bowers (25 yo in AHL and not producing) + Matthew Steinberg (24 year old AHLer) + Zhuravlyov (left for KHL) + Kamenex (washed out and left for KHL) = 0

Annunen = Backup goalie who could have a bit more upside

Byram - traded for Middlestadt = Middle 6 C

Girard - Good top 4 D, but not on top pair and not elite

So where is the elite talent Colorado got? They got 2 solid pieces with Girard and Byram. But neither is elite. Neither is as good as Kyrou. And that was one trade where Sakic did damn well. If we can get a crazy haul for Kyrou, ok, maybe we pull the trigger, but i wouldn't expect it. That is not the norm. You said coming up with examples is your specialty and that is all you came up with - 1 trade for no elite

I think for the purposes of valuing a young winger some guys like Kessel and Evander Kane come to mind. Taylor Hall has been on like 7 teams and also has a Hart trophy - some deals in there to see value. There’s a lot of guys; a lot of scenarios one could point to and say; “that aspect of that situation is similar to ours”. The dramatically changing cap situation makes it hard to compare these things. The changes in taxation do too. A lot of guys move at these ages - guys who are really good at certain things but not headed to the hall of fame - and each time it’s some unique story to some team centric circumstances.

I think, under the current Canucks ownership, that they are a full blown wildcard. I think it’s a good time in history to have something they want. Just a feeling I have.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I think for the purposes of valuing a young winger some guys like Kessel and Evander Kane come to mind. Taylor Hall has been on like 7 teams and also has a Hart trophy - some deals in there to see value. There’s a lot of guys; a lot of scenarios one could point to and say; “that aspect of that situation is similar to ours”. The dramatically changing cap situation makes it hard to compare these things. The changes in taxation do too. A lot of guys move at these ages - guys who are really good at certain things but not headed to the hall of fame - and each time it’s some unique story to some team centric circumstances.

I think, under the current Canucks ownership, that they are a full blown wildcard. I think it’s a good time in history to have something they want. Just a feeling I have.

Situations are fluid.