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BlueMed said:
I'm not super interested in going out and signing big FA this summer. I'm willing to be patient and rebuild a whole new core with the prospects we have now to be honest.
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I would agree. Considering we're not a contender or at the top of the list of desirable destinations, we'd likely have to overpay for any of the best FAs. Doesn't really make much sense. There are always lots of bidders for any player that would make a big difference.
 
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Valimaki on waivers. I remember some guys on here liking him a few years back. Worth a pickup and pray? Still only 26.
 
He hasn't been good this season, but I'd still be tempted to claim him. If Army feels confident that we are trading Suter, I'd be tempted to claim, but if Suter stays, I'd pass.
 
The Canucks suck.

Jt miller did way too much and the Petey is soft meme has legs. Boesser maybe about to be shipped. They’re running Chytil out 19 min a game. That Horse is gonna fall apart before the race ends if they push him that hard.

We could be a deadline seller and also a playoff team. (Unless we trade Parayko).

I want a hiiigh draft pick and a star player but it’s really hard to see teams collapse further than we ever will and then think they’re some obstacle.

Even if we move Schenn, and assuming we get a “Chytil - ish” player back like Domi: we have Alexandrov, Snuggerud, and Dvorsky in the wings. We have Buchnevich. We won’t have to ask Domi to do something he cannot do.
 
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Kinda ot, but anyone starting to get nervous with Steen coming in? It seems like almost all ex player gms have been horrible recently. I really don't want to end up hating one of my favorite players.
 
Fez Whatley said:
Kinda ot, but anyone starting to get nervous with Steen coming in? It seems like almost all ex player gms have been horrible recently. I really don't want to end up hating one of my favorite players.
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He has virtually no experience and doesn’t have much of a resume to reference, so yeah you have a right to be anxious.
 
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Most of the ex-player GMs in the league don't have a very extensive resume under their belts to definitively say they're no good. If you're selected as a GM, chances are the team you're taking over is a mess. It's going to take a few seasons before we really see what Grier, Verbeek, Conroy, Blake, Guerin, and others have accomplished.
 
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Snubbed4Vezina said:
Most of the ex-player GMs in the league don't have a very extensive resume under their belts to definitively say they're no good. If you're selected as a GM, chances are the team you're taking over is a mess. It's going to take a few seasons before we really see what Grier, Verbeek, Conroy, Blake, Guerin, and others have accomplished.
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I like the work Grier has done, Verbeek has made some moves that seem odd but they are progressing and loaded with young talent. Conroy has generally done well in difficult situation. Guerin was stupid for the buyouts, but has made some nice moves since. Blake I am not a fan of his GM work but Sakic did great job. I don't think these guys overall have done worse than many other GMs with longer post-playing resumes.
 
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Bye Bye Blueston said:
I like the work Grier has done, Verbeek has made some moves that seem odd but they are progressing and loaded with young talent. Conroy has generally done well in difficult situation. Guerin was stupid for the buyouts, but has made some nice moves since. Blake I am not a fan of his GM work but Sakic did great job. I don't think these guys overall have done worse than many other GMs with longer post-playing resumes.
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I am just about 100% on board with this post.

Snubbed4Vezina said:
Most of the ex-player GMs in the league don't have a very extensive resume under their belts to definitively say they're no good. If you're selected as a GM, chances are the team you're taking over is a mess. It's going to take a few seasons before we really see what Grier, Verbeek, Conroy, Blake, Guerin, and others have accomplished.
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Blake, Verbeek and Guerin are horrible.

Conroy is in a tough position and Grier is kicking ass.

I’m willing to give Guerin more time to get out of the Fletcher/Fenton mess.
 
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I wouldn't say Guerin is horrible. He has the Wild in a really good position, and the Suter/Parise buyouts are about to become a lot cheaper, so they'll have plenty of cap space. The Fiala/Faber trade was massive. If he can keep Kaprizov, I'd be very happy with what he's done if I was a Wild fan.
 
bleedblue1223 said:
I wouldn't say Guerin is horrible. He has the Wild in a really good position, and the Suter/Parise buyouts are about to become a lot cheaper, so they'll have plenty of cap space. The Fiala/Faber trade was massive. If he can keep Kaprizov, I'd be very happy with what he's done if I was a Wild fan.
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Perhaps ‘horrible’ is a bit of an overstatement. Like I posted, he is afforded more time.
 
ChicagoBlues said:
I am just about 100% on board with this post.


Blake, Verbeek and Guerin are horrible.

Conroy is in a tough position and Grier is kicking ass.

I’m willing to give Guerin more time to get out of the Fletcher/Fenton mess.
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Guerin is horrible based on what? Not sure there is another team in the league that has overachieved more in recent years. Seems like this is one of those narratives that gets floated around and people just repeat it without bothering to check if it's true or not.
 
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He also said that he'd be stepping back and would be more providing guidance as opposed to the one driving decisions.

I don't think we'll see Steen go extreme, but I think he'll be empowered to implement his vision.
 
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bleedblue1223 said:
I wouldn't say Guerin is horrible. He has the Wild in a really good position, and the Suter/Parise buyouts are about to become a lot cheaper, so they'll have plenty of cap space. The Fiala/Faber trade was massive. If he can keep Kaprizov, I'd be very happy with what he's done if I was a Wild fan.
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The Wild just keep proving me wrong. Guerin became GM in August of 2019, so I have a hard time putting their 91 point-pace 2019/20 season on his resume. But then they had a 109 point-pace season in 2020/21, a 113 point season in 2021/22, and a 103 point season in 2022/23. Then they missed the playoffs in 2023/24 and I thought that time had finally caught up to their bad decisions (most notably the 2021 buyouts that put enormous amounts of dead cap on their books).

But now they are sitting in 6th place and are 5-2 since Kaprizov left the lineup. And most impressively, they managed to stockpile futures assets from 2020 through 2024. In the 4 drafts from 2020-2023 they made six 1st round selections and seven 2nd round selections. Then at the 2024 draft they traded up to draft Buium without sacrificing their 2nd round pick (a move that the large majority of people here wanted the Blues to do). The Fiala for Faber (and a 1st) trade in 2021 has paid huge dividends. Rossi may not have been the best pick available at 9th overall in 2020, but he is looking like a damn good player. They traded their 2025 1st and a bunch of other mid-value picks/prospect for David Jiricek.

And their cap structure is in great shape now with the dead money from the buyouts about to become negligible. They have $21M in cap space for next season with Rossi as the only guy owed a big raise. Kaprizov and Gustavsson are UFA in the summer of 2026, but they currently have $49M in space to deal with that (and a stud goalie prospect who allows them to potentially let Gustavsson go).

They are in great shape.
 
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Guerin has done a fantastic job navigating out of their cap mess. That's a team is going to be a handful in the near future. Hell, they were one of the best teams in the West this season before losing their star forward.

I bought the narrative on Guerin for awhile but he's done a masterful job over the last couple years.
 
Reality Czech said:
Guerin is horrible based on what? Not sure there is another team in the league that has overachieved more in recent years. Seems like this is one of those narratives that gets floated around and people just repeat it without bothering to check if it's true or not.
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Brian39 outlined it pretty well. They were nearing disaster, but managed to steer clear of the iceberg.
 
Yea I don't get the hate for Guerin - the Wild still haven't done much in the playoffs, but they navigated the Suter/Parise buyouts really well, and set themselves up to have an incredible blue line moving forward.
 
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