2024/2025 Around the League

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[LOFIN]

Didn't even bother to wait until boxing day was over lol

 

[Balthazar]

Good hire for them but their season is lost. They should have enjoyed the high draft pick and waited until next summer to hire him so they get the new coach boost to start next season.

 

[Gumballhead]

The NHL could teach the world a lot about recycling.

 

[LOFIN]

Good hire for them but their season is lost. They should have enjoyed the high draft pick and waited until next summer to hire him so they get the new coach boost to start next season.

While the season is most likely gone, didn't we just see with the Vancouver Cannucks that it was a very good decision to bring in Tocchet mid-season to lay up the groundwork, and then the Canucks hit the ground running when the season started.

 

[S E P H]

Look at Bouchard giving up on the 2nd goal. Incredible

Look at him during Panthers GTG and look at how nonchalant his defence is on the GWG.

 

[AvBuff]

The NHL could teach the world a lot about recycling.

It's like those Ball Aluminum ads.

75% of all hockey coaches ever produced are still in circulation today . . .

 

[missionAvs]

The injury is called OZS. It stands for Own Zone Symptoms. It is a very weird injury where you only feel extreme pain when the puck is headed TOWARDS your own net. A milder form of this disease occurs when the player lacks a great deal of effort again only when the puck is headed towards your own net. Some coaches have tried prescribing benching as a remedy to both these cases but quickly found that it is usually incurable. It is very sad.

Jesus this sounds terminal.

 

[Balthazar]

While the season is most likely gone, didn't we just see with the Vancouver Cannucks that it was a very good decision to bring in Tocchet mid-season to lay up the groundwork, and then the Canucks hit the ground running when the season started.

I don't know, usually the new coach boost is a real thing and for a team trying to make the playoffs those extra points can help to get over the hump....also the Wings' rebuilt sure could use a top 3 pick in the upcoming draft.

They didn't tank long enough to get a sufficient number of high guys IMO. This season could be their "Cale Makar" season.

 

[LOFIN]

I don't know, usually the new coach boost is a real thing and for a team trying to make the playoffs that's those extra points can help to get over the hump....also the Wings' rebuild sure could use a top 3 pick in the upcoming draft.

They didn't tank long enough to get a sufficient number of high guys IMO.

New coach boost is something you might be looking for if the season is still salvageable. At that point, it most likely doesn't even matter who the coach is.

McLellan is obviously there for the next few years, so might as well start laying the groundwork now.

 

[CobraAcesS]

They didn’t really hand the room over to outsiders. They pinned the C on Larkin and (I think) the A on Seider. And I don’t think anyone in there is a disruptive presence, on the contrary, they brought in plenty of guys who are generally regarded as good in the room. Much as I’ve made it clear I think Kane is a human shitstain, he’s generally well-liked by his teammates.

The team IMO simply isn’t good enough. Way too many past-their-prime stars and depth guys, coupled with abhorrent goaltending, and a coach who’s in waaaaaay over his head. And the top guys aren’t really good enough to carry them. Larkin is damn good but not a game breaker, Mo is a legit top defender but he needs some help. They desperately need Kasper and Cossa to graduate and start making an impact.

I tend to agree more with your take on them. They've missed out on getting someone who could force Larkin to the second line. That was the key after getting Mo.

I do think the Copp/Compher 2C expirament has failed as well.

Then as you say, Goaltending, and coaching. It may actually be fixable. It would be risky, but they should probably be trying to pry Petty out of Vancouver.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Sounds like Alex Tanguay keeps his job as an Assistant Coach.

The inside sabotage job continues.

Thanks Tanger!

 

[dahrougem2]

I tend to agree more with your take on them. They've missed out on getting someone who could force Larkin to the second line. That was the key after getting Mo.

I do think the Copp/Compher 2C expirament has failed as well.

Then as you say, Goaltending, and coaching. It may actually be fixable. It would be risky, but they should probably be trying to pry Petty out of Vancouver.

I think you can win with Larkin on your top line but your 2C better be fairly good. Compher/Copp are brutal options and always were.

I will never understand the Wings signing Copp to play 2C, seeing him struggle in that role, then thinking the right handed version of Copp would be the solution in Compher.

They deserve what is happening to them. Yzerman has made shitty move after shitty move since being hired and more and more it's looking like his scouts rather than him were behind the success in Tampa Bay.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I think you can win with Larkin on your top line but your 2C better be fairly good. Compher/Copp are brutal options and always were.

I will never understand the Wings signing Copp to play 2C, seeing him struggle in that role, then thinking the right handed version of Copp would be the solution in Compher.

They deserve what is happening to them. Yzerman has made shitty move after shitty move since being hired and more and more it's looking like his scouts rather than him were behind the success in Tampa Bay.

Of all people I would have thought Mr Y felt safe enough not to rush a rebuild.

Signing JTC was so fkn stupid.

Their entire fanbase knows he's done exactly that too lol.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Of all people I would have thought Mr Y felt safe enough not to rush a rebuild.

Signing JTC was so fkn stupid.

Their entire fanbase knows he's done exactly that too lol.

Stevie confuses me. Why did he look so damn good in Tampa but not Detroit? From what I read, he brought quite a few of the Tampa Bay folks with him. Anyways, whenever I watch them play and I look at that roster, I have no idea what Detroit's gameplan is. I'm not sure they have one right now.

We've always known Avalanche hockey is supposed to be up-tempo, breaks, rushes, and waves of attackers and entirely, way, way, way too much overpassing. But what is Detroit hockey? What is Steve trying to build? It just makes no sense.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Stevie confuses me. Why did he look so damn good in Tampa but not Detroit? From what I read, he brought quite a few of the Tampa Bay folks with him. Anyways, whenever I watch them play and I look at that roster, I have no idea what Detroit's gameplan is. I'm not sure they have one right now.

We've always known Avalanche hockey is supposed to be up-tempo, breaks, rushes, and waves of attackers and entirely, way, way, way too much overpassing. But what is Detroit hockey? What is Steve trying to build? It just makes no sense.

I think the important ones stayed in Tampa. He brought people from Detroit to Tampa too.

Also that no state tax, and sunny weather combination helps.

He should of torn up the team even more when he arrived, or at least held his cards. They needed another top 5 pick before actually trying to compete.

Missing out on Dahlin didn't even turn out to be so bad, but they need another top end center.

For whatever reason I think he tried to replicate the STL model going with defensive centers. Larkin is not quite ROR though. And JTC was never a 2C.

 

[LOFIN]

Also that no state tax, and sunny weather combination helps.

Could this meme die already?

No-one talked about taxes 15 years ago, when the California teams were at the top of the league and both Florida teams continuously missed the playoffs.

You know what helps? Winning. Look at Edmonton, they were able to actually sign Arvidsson and Henrique for dirt cheap this off-season, and they got Jeff Skinner too for cheap. Why? Because those guys thought Edmonton would be one of the top contenders.

I'm sure the sun doesn't hurt. The tax situation is much more complicated, and people should forget about those "tax calculators" because they don't give you the truth at all. Like not even close. Those calculators assume that every team plays 82 home games for starters.

 

[Avs_19]

What a run for Stevie Y. Five straight non-playoff seasons (headed towards a sixth), his third HC (second once he's hired), some terrible acquisitions/signings (Copp, JTC, Chariot, Husso to name a few), bad trades (Hronek, Walman), and some questionable draft picks.

 

[Balthazar]

Could this meme die already?

No-one talked about taxes 15 years ago, when the California teams were at the top of the league and both Florida teams continuously missed the playoffs.

Oilers are literally the Stanley cup favorites and they still get blocked by NMC from some players.

 

[LOFIN]

Oilers are literally the Stanley cup favorites and they still get blocked by NMC from some players.

Sure. But they were also able to get free agents for cheap this summer.

They could have zero taxes and all the sun in the world, people would still have NMCs to Edmonton because it's f***ing Edmonton. A smallish Canadian city. The weather isn't that great in the winter in NYC either, and they have pretty big taxes. I'm sure 90% of the league would love to play there though.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Could this meme die already?

No-one talked about taxes 15 years ago, when the California teams were at the top of the league and both Florida teams continuously missed the playoffs.

You know what helps? Winning. Look at Edmonton, they were able to actually sign Arvidsson and Henrique for dirt cheap this off-season, and they got Jeff Skinner too for cheap. Why? Because those guys thought Edmonton would be one of the top contenders.

When its part of the whole, it's relevant. I wasn't saying it's the main difference.

You are correct, winning and the overall reputation of the organization matters far more.

Colorado is a good enough example. Yeah we lose out on some bigger names sometimes, but the organizations reputation has always gotten them consideration.

 

[Gumballhead]

It's like those Ball Aluminum ads.

75% of all hockey coaches ever produced are still in circulation today . . .

Somewhere out in the Pacific, a discarded Mike Babcock is floating on an amorphous island of former players family pictures.

 

[LOFIN]

With taxes, it goes like this: with high paid star players, they don't care. They can have different contract structures and can afford to hire an accountant, to make the tax difference negligible. Auston Matthews is a good example, he pays taxes to Ontario from the base salary of 800k. His signing bonuses? He gets them while he's in Arizona. The tax difference makes difference for the players making smaller salaries, but those players in general have less of chance to pick their teams in the first place.

Every individual player has a different tax certificate, so those have floated out ideas about balancing the cap somehow, it ain't going to work. It would be completely impossible to make a fair system. What if a player plays for the Flyers but lives in New Jersey?

 

[Garavar]

With taxes, it goes like this: with high paid star players, they don't care. They can have different contract structures and can afford to hire an accountant, to make the tax difference negligible. Auston Matthews is a good example, he pays taxes to Ontario from the base salary of 800k. His signing bonuses? He gets them while he's in Arizona. The tax difference makes difference for the players making smaller salaries, but those players in general have less of chance to pick their teams in the first place.

Every individual player has a different tax certificate, so those have floated out ideas about balancing the cap somehow, it ain't going to work. It would be completely impossible to make a fair system. What if a player plays for the Flyers but lives in New Jersey?

I am not an accountant but isn't it calculated by the team that's paying you not where you live? I remember Derek Jeter was in hot water years ago because he claimed to have live in Florida but played for Yankees. He was trying to avoid New York taxes.

Google it. Tons of articles.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

He actually wasn’t sure if the puck went in and was turning up-ice to go on offense.

Not sure if that makes it better or worse as he literally coasted defensively and then got a speed burst when there was a chance to go back on offense.

That's acceptable in my opinion. I retract my statement.

The poor judgment isn't that he dogged it defensively to turn around to skate on offense. The poor judgment is assuming an Oilers goalie would make a save.