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2024 2025 Around the League Part 2

Balthazar said:
You're overrating Stuart Skinner. He's not a legit starter.
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Stuart Skinner numbers vs Dallas last year:

Game 1: 2 goals on 33 shots
Game 2: 2 goals on 24 shots
Game 3: 4 goals on 21 shots
Game 4: 2 goals on 22 shots
Game 5: 1 goal on 20 shots
Game 6: 1 goal on 34 shots

Skinner had a .922 save percentage against Dallas in last year's WCF. He was a massive reason the Oilers beat Dallas. Meanwhile Georgiev:

Game 1: 3 goals on 22 shots
Game 2: 4 goals on 31 shots
Game 3: 2 goals on 21 shots
Game 4: 4 goals on 33 shots
Game 5: 3 goals on 26 shots
Game 6: 2 goals on 38 shots

Georgiev had an .895 save percetange against Dallas in the 2nd round. You don't think there's a huge, huge difference?
 
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AvsGuy said:
My only prediction for Avs/Stars series is that Mikko Rantanen will not be a difference maker
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Best believe Matt Duchene will be. He only had 6 points in 19 games in last year's playoffs. A complete no-show. However, 4 of those 6 were against us including the series winner.

He always scores against the Avs. Dude is a real-life Darth Vader. Just loves to fight against the force after being the chosen one all those years ago.
 
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Balthazar said:
You cannot leave out how he won those series. The Avs couldn't skate because the defense couldn't do anything against the forecheck. That wasn't on Georgiev or Nuke.
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Bednar made an adjustment by having Grubauer collect pucks from dumpins behind the net, but he did it way too late in the series when Vegas had long since taken the momentum, and then Grubauer and Graves combined to hand Vegas the wins.

That said, having Jost/Compher at 2C instead of Kadri didn't help.
 
Pokecheque said:
No. It's not.

Both of the former Avs goalies are close to losing their NHL careers. Georgiev was objectively THE WORST goaltender in the entire f***ing league the first quarter of the season, if not more. Grubauer was literally in the minors for seven games this year.

Problematic as he is as a starter, Skinner is a legit starter in the NHL, the question is if he should be the feature goalie for a legit contender.
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Judging Grubauer's playoff performances with the Avs based on his performance now 4 years later is a bit disingenuous. Yeah he wasn't great against Vegas apart from stealing game 2 iirc, but he was top 5-10 in most meaningful goalie metrics that season which obviously isn't where he's at now.
 
Richard88 said:
Judging Grubauer's playoff performances with the Avs based on his performance now 4 years later is a bit disingenuous. Yeah he wasn't great against Vegas apart from stealing game 2 iirc, but he was top 5-10 in most meaningful goalie metrics that season which obviously isn't where he's at now.
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He crumbled in the playoffs every year, and his collapse from an epic game 2 against Vegas to the worst goal given up by any Avs goalie in postseason history (well, other than that one that got past Roy in 2002 I won't mention by name) in game 6 was mindblowing. I don't give a f*** about his metrics during the regular season.

And 4 years isn't that huge a gap. It's not like he's just old now, he's 33. The reason I bring that up is because I don't think he was ever really a legit starting goaltender. Certainly not for a contender. And now at this point in his career he doesn't appear to be able to hold down a backup position.
 
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dahrougem2 said:
If you purely look at the series wins/losses yes of course DeBoer "has Bednar's number" but that leaves out all context, and we know context is always important.

I'll keep repeating it: DeBoer has NEVER faced adversity against the Avs. He's always had a fully healthy lineup ready to go. The Avs have played him without their 2nd line center entirely in 2021 and with a plethora of issues in 2024.

This season might be the first time he has to face adversity either without Heiskanen or a definitely hobbled version of him. Let's see how he does and let's see how Bednar does.
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People make it sound like DeBoer's teams just bitch slapped Bednar and the Avs in 4 or 5 game, when in reality, every series vs his teams have been tight, and either could have won.

That SJ team was a GD wagon, and the Cup favorites that year (I know they didn't win it) while they Avs weren't even supposed to be there, and yet one shitty call away from going to OT in game 7.

That Vegas series. Avs won games 1 and 2, scoring a ton. Then DeBoer complained about the Avs getting too many PPs, the refs swallowed the whistles the next 4 games, and, oh yeah, Grubauer absolutely shit the bed.

Last year, that was anyone's series. Avs lost game 6 in double OT, all while having Fourgiev in goal, and missing Nuke.
 
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Bill Peckerskull said:
People make it sound like DeBoer's teams just bitch slapped Bednar and the Avs in 4 or 5 game, when in reality, every series vs his teams have been tight, and either could have won.

That SJ team was a GD wagon, and the Cup favorites that year (I know they didn't win it) while they Avs weren't even supposed to be there, and yet one shitty call away from going to OT in game 7.

That Vegas series. Avs won games 1 and 2, scoring a ton. Then DeBoer complained about the Avs getting too many PPs, the refs swallowed the whistles the next 4 games, and, oh yeah, Grubauer absolutely shit the bed.

Last year, that was anyone's series. Avs lost game 6 in double OT, all while having Fourgiev in goal, and missing Nuke.
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And against Vegas let's not forget we lost Girard. Again adversity for Bednar and nothing for DeBoers.

Oh and let's not forget also Graves going completely brain dead on that shot in OT sending Stone on a breakaway and winning the game when he had Makar wide open on the left circle in a scoring position. Yeah that series was a lot closer than some here make it out to be.
 
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Bill Peckerskull said:
People make it sound like DeBoer's teams just bitch slapped Bednar and the Avs in 4 or 5 game, when in reality, every series vs his teams have been tight, and either could have won.

That SJ team was a GD wagon, and the Cup favorites that year (I know they didn't win it) while they Avs weren't even supposed to be there, and yet one shitty call away from going to OT in game 7.

That Vegas series. Avs won games 1 and 2, scoring a ton. Then DeBoer complained about the Avs getting too many PPs, the refs swallowed the whistles the next 4 games, and, oh yeah, Grubauer absolutely shit the bed.

Last year, that was anyone's series. Avs lost game 6 in double OT, all while having Fourgiev in goal, and missing Nuke.
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The Avs also just played like shit in those two games after their first two wins in 21. Then the last two games they were the better team IMO, but found a way to lose. They hadn't matured enough to win yet.

Game 5 they were up 2-0, but then gave up two goals in the third from turnovers, and then Graves had his double shot block in OT. Game 6 they were up 1-0 an 2-1, but they made a couple mistakes, and Grubauer let in three soft goals at the end of the 2nd, and 3rd.

The deserve to win analytics at the time backed up that the Avs were the better team in those last two games as well.

Side point on the deserve to win meter though. How come the percentages change when you refresh the page? All the data it's basing it off should be constant and unchanged. Does that make this thing worthless?

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Balthazar said:
Torts is not the coach that you hire for a rebuild. He was hired by a different GM with a different plan.

Curious to see how this decision will affect Michkov's production from now on.
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Quoting myself here...

2 goals already and the first period isn't even over.

Michkov would have 40+ goals this season if it wasn't for Torts blatantly holding him back.
 
What a night to honor Crosby. 2nd period isn't over yet...

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It feels like NHL teams are moving towards shooting WAY less and instead looking for the perfect shot.

So often we'll see 20 combined shots through 40 minutes like this Preds/Blues game.

Strange.
 
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