trellaine201
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Seems were getting better results lately. I honestly don’t think were playing that great. Maybe I expect too much. Only hoping we continue getting results.
Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v5 | Wed, June 7 | vs HOU | 7:00pm ET/4:00pm PT | Blanco vs Bassitt
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Did you read his explanation of pitching to Vlad? It was part trusting Robertson and part to have Vlad on base in extras instead of Biggio to start the inning (as if a pinch runner isn't allowed)
Belt has really turned the page. He went from truly the worst hitter in baseball to one of the best on base guys in the league
Starting pitching is unreal minus Mr out of shape.
Vladdy hits his first HR in over a month. That’s unacceptable. His HR of the hitter doesn’t count. Hopefully more coming.
Starting pitching is unreal minus Mr out of shape.
Vladdy hits his first HR in over a month. That’s unacceptable. His HR of the hitter doesn’t count. Hopefully more coming.
I mean... Belt turned it around after about 7 games, but you didn't noticed because you were too busy screaming about how much he sucked based on the first 6 games.
CabanaBoy5
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How do these umps still have a job after some of those calls?
Team looking a bit better but starting pitching is masking some major holes in that batting order. Biggio just brutal.
Team looking a bit better but starting pitching is masking some major holes in that batting order. Biggio just brutal.
I mean you could educate yourself before being wrong.
April - .164 batting average
May - .333 batting average
So ya screaming for sucking was legit but your to out to lunch to notice how putrid he was.
Eyedea
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You missed the part where he hit .250/.325/.417 from April 11 to April 30. So yeah, he legit sucked for the first 6 games.
He had 9 hits all month. I don’t care how you wanna slice it he was f***ing trash. He had 25k in 55 AB. He had 1 HR. He only had 5 walks in a month of baseball. He was f***ing abysmal
That’s beside the point I’ve been saying though. I’ve been saying he’s been great. He really turned it around. Ks are down power is up walks are up average is up on base is up. He's totally different.
Eyedea
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Maybe if you educated yourself you’d realize that .250/.325/.417 is not f***ing abysmal and that your outlook on him was heavily skewed by his performance in the first 6 games that he played.
Remember when you doubled up on his terribleness because he had another poor 4 game stretch from 04/25 to 05/01? Tough shit. You deserve to get called out for your premature ranting of him lol.
After this successful weekend, I think the toughest thing for me to digest is that we have no one that can jump in for a spot start. Not one pitcher... Tha needs addressing.
This is going to become more glaring with each passing bad Manoah start too.
Mitch White has largely been trash since getting to Toronto, the only other option right now is Bowden Francis. At some point if Manoah continues to pitch as he does you're going to be forced to do something. The answer to the problem is not sending him out there to get shelled constantly especially with it appearing like it's starting to get to him.
Ryu is not a viable option because you can't expect a guy just coming off Tommy John to go back to a full starter workload. Maybe forwards the end of the year he gets but even then earliest ETA for him is post all star break.
Honestly if he gets shelled again tonight I'm making some calls around the league to see what's out there. You don't need a Gausman or Bassitt level guy. Just somebody that can be called on in a pinch. Surely there's someone put there than can fill that.
Seath The Scaleless
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The funny thing about Belt is that his early April struggles were due to him being trigger happy. Now, he is probably too passive at the plate, which is good for walks, but it's keeping the K% very bloated
He'll need to be a bit more aggressive, especially inside the zone (currently at 66% Z-Swing, well below career avg). He is riding a sky high BABIP which will obviously regress, but perhaps he can hit some HRs by being more aggressive
He'll need to be a bit more aggressive, especially inside the zone (currently at 66% Z-Swing, well below career avg). He is riding a sky high BABIP which will obviously regress, but perhaps he can hit some HRs by being more aggressive
I actually feels irresponsible of the org to send Alex back out tonight. Any other org would have come up with a fake injury or skipped him at minimum. It feels so wrong.
Another auto loss tonight. This organization is looking like a laughing stalk.
let’s just keep throwing him out there and lose everything 5Th game, tax the bullpen. Sounds brilliant.
let’s just keep throwing him out there and lose everything 5Th game, tax the bullpen. Sounds brilliant.
Clark4Ever
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I know Eyedea has already corrected you and you gladly ignored it, but I thought I would add in a quote from you a week ago:
"Can’t argue against Belt a pos. He’s been better but still sucks"
At that point, he had a 115 wRC+ on the season and a 155 wRC+ in 115 PA since those first 6 games.
You made up your mind after 6 games and, even though he's been one of the best hitters in the league since then, it took you a month and a half to grudgingly admit that he might not be terrible, and even then you're pretending he wasn't good the second half of April so you can stand by your previous shit.
You're really, really bad at this.
There's zero chance he gets DFA'd.
Just like the Dodgers are a laughingstock for continuing to start Syndergaard?
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Manoah was their opening day starter who was 3rd in Cy Young voting last year. Literally every team in MLB would be giving their staff ace a lot of rope to try and pitch through their struggles in the same situation.
HockeyThoughts
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Especially when we have no viable replacement for Manoah. It would be irresponsible to the rest of the pitching staff/bullpen to suddenly reduce our rotation to 4 pitchers.Just like the Dodgers are a laughingstock for continuing to start Syndergaard?
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Manoah was their opening day starter who was 3rd in Cy Young voting last year. Literally every team in MLB would be giving their staff ace a lot of rope to try and pitch through their struggles in the same situation.
Plus - Manoah has only surpassed 5.80 ERA in 2 of his last 8 starts, pitching between 3-7 innings in each of these games.
Has he been an effective starting pitcher? No.
Has he been eating up valuable early innings and performing reasonably for a bottom of the order pitcher? Yes.
Manoah has the potential to turn the corner. The only way he can do so is to learn how to pitch within the confines of the pitch clock and build his confidence back up at the MLB-level.
Yeah, it's not like he's dropping an ERA of 10.00 or anything.
He's a star pitcher who's out-of-sorts and has had a 10-game stretch with an ERA of 5.50. It happens. And he'll get several more starts than this and it's probably really only at the trade deadline that his situation changes if he's still struggling.
The syndergaard thing is worse because he's willingly sabotaging himself. Multiple reports of him refusing to adapt/change the way he pitches despite it being abundantly clear he's not the guy he was 7-8 years ago.
You can't just think "my stuff will get me out of this!" When the stuff you used to touch 100 with is now barely above 90 and continues to decline.
Manoah thankfully is still in the trying to figure out what the problem is stage. Though I still disagree with sending him to another potential slaughter tonight.
You can't just think "my stuff will get me out of this!" When the stuff you used to touch 100 with is now barely above 90 and continues to decline.
Manoah thankfully is still in the trying to figure out what the problem is stage. Though I still disagree with sending him to another potential slaughter tonight.
If he doesn't show signs of progress tonight, I think the best bet would be to give him a few starts at AAA and see if he can work it out there. Ideally Bowden Francis comes up to give you a few innings, but he's not on the 40-man, so we would probably be hoping to get 3 inning out of Thornton or Hatch, which is... less than ideal.
I don't understand why Trent Thornton is still here. That mfer is worthless yet somehow continues to hold a roster spot.
Francis is the only option that makes sense. Cut one of those other two lunks and put him on the 40 man.
That or as I said in an earlier post, go out and see you can get somebody on the trade market.
You still can't use grammar properly lol
I find it really surprising that he had a 4.11 ERA out of the pen in pretty regular usage last year. That's perfectly fine from the 7th-8th guy out of the pen or the first call-up. The peripherals were a bit worse, but good enough overall given the roll.
This year he's been worse than that in AAA, though, and the peripherals have completely tanked. At least Hatch strikes some guys out.
(But yeah, DFA Thornton and give Francis a shot.)
I agree with you but it was pretty clear to everyone except our Manager that Gausmen was and is the staff aceJust like the Dodgers are a laughingstock for continuing to start Syndergaard?
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Manoah was their opening day starter who was 3rd in Cy Young voting last year. Literally every team in MLB would be giving their staff ace a lot of rope to try and pitch through their struggles in the same situation.
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