Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v12 | Sun, Oct 1 | vs TB *Last Regular Season Game* | 3:00pm ET/12:00pm PT | Lopez vs Parsons

[CabanaBoy5]

This underwhelming offence wastes another brilliant performance by one of our starters. They’re so predictable against good pitchers. Tomorrow will be another feeble attack against Cole.

 

[Orca Smash]

A friend of mine summed up this season so far, this is probably the most frustrating season of a team he has cheered for who actually has a winning record and will likely make playoffs.

I would like to believe, but all I can hope for is they make it and they catch lightning in a bottle because the offense cant keep performing so inconsistent;y if they hope to win a round against another teams top starters.

 

[Tw1ster]

A friend of mine summed up this season so far, this is probably the most frustrating season of a team he has cheered for who actually has a winning record and will likely make playoffs.

I would like to believe, but all I can hope for is they make it and they catch lightning in a bottle because the offense cant keep performing so inconsistent;y if they hope to win a round against another teams top starters.

I’ve felt like this all season. It’s been a very tough watch all year, even when they are winning. It’s just a different style of team I guess but in the most reason runs to the playoffs, there were spurts during the season where they would look unstoppable, and that was fun. This year, even their “hot streaks” have been anything but dominant….not that I’m complaining with how they’re winning because of course a win is a win but the season as a whole has not been an especially fun one!

 

[mikeyz]

I’ve felt like this all season. It’s been a very tough watch all year, even when they are winning. It’s just a different style of team I guess but in the most reason runs to the playoffs, there were spurts during the season where they would look unstoppable, and that was fun. This year, even their “hot streaks” have been anything but dominant….not that I’m complaining with how they’re winning because of course a win is a win but the season as a whole has not been an especially fun one!

This sums up my feelings about this team this year perfectly.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I’ve felt like this all season. It’s been a very tough watch all year, even when they are winning. It’s just a different style of team I guess but in the most reason runs to the playoffs, there were spurts during the season where they would look unstoppable, and that was fun. This year, even their “hot streaks” have been anything but dominant….not that I’m complaining with how they’re winning because of course a win is a win but the season as a whole has not been an especially fun one!

No, I guess not. But you have to cherish these moments. I have been a fan since roughly 2000 and this is going to be only the 6th time they are in a pennant race, and 5th playoff berth (hopefully). So I don’t care how “fun” the season was. Watching meaningful games is fun.

 

[shaner8989]

But but remember everyone saying our offense was good. Lmao.

But but Vladdy has a .765 Twvs, Chapman had a .1067 GWP in June etc etc made up useless f***ing stats.

The offense is and has been a f***ing joke all year. It just took some of you all season to finally realize it. Black whole after black whole. The guys who are supposed to be good are actual dog shit. The guys who suck are worse than shit and the absolute useless f***s are still on the team.

If this team had mediocre pitching, you are looking at a last place ball club.

End of rant lol

 

[Suntouchable13]

It can go the other way too, in 2021 if the offence wasn’t good Jays would be last place. There is no “ifs”. If Baltimore didn’t have Cano and Bautista, they would be a mid club. We can do this all day long. Again, fact is the Jays are playing meaningful games and a great chance to extend that beyond this week.

 

[Nineteen67]

But but remember everyone saying our offense was good. Lmao.

But but Vladdy has a .765 Twvs, Chapman had a .1067 GWP in June etc etc made up useless f***ing stats.

The offense is and has been a f***ing joke all year. It just took some of you all season to finally realize it. Black whole after black whole. The guys who are supposed to be good are actual dog shit. The guys who suck are worse than shit and the absolute useless f***s are still on the team.

If this team had mediocre pitching, you are looking at a last place ball club.

End of rant lol

Same team that showed up in Dunedin in February. with the ebbs and flows of a 162 game schedule they are exactly where they were expected to be.

 

[Discoverer]

Yes, if you take the half of the game that the Jays are elite at and make them mediocre at it, they would not be a very good team. What a remarkable insight.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Shaner isn't wrong, although he has a heavy handed rather colourful way of describing the way alot of us feel. The offence has been horribly inconsistent, and if not for the elite pitching, we would be struggling to win 75 games. People kept saying that the offence will normalize, that it will regress to the mean, etc. Management should have addressed the obvious shortcomings on offence if they were truly serious about competing for a world series. Do you honestly think this offence can compete with Atlanta or Baltimore for the championship? They'd easily lose to Tampa if they were healthy. Of course anything can happen if we get in but it's not likely our pitching can overcome this moribund offence.

 

[Bjindaho]

Shaner isn't wrong, although he has a heavy handed rather colourful way of describing the way alot of us feel. The offence has been horribly inconsistent, and if not for the elite pitching, we would be struggling to win 75 games. People kept saying that the offence will normalize, that it will regress to the mean, etc. Management should have addressed the obvious shortcomings on offence if they were truly serious about competing for a world series. Do you honestly think this offence can compete with Atlanta or Baltimore for the championship? They'd easily lose to Tampa if they were healthy. Of course anything can happen if we get in but it's not likely our pitching can overcome this moribund offence.

A lot of the Jays problems stem from the Skydome playing as a pitchers' park after being a hitters park forever.

And yes, nearly everyone here believes that this Jays team could compete in the playoffs, especially against a Baltimore team with suspect starting pitching.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Of course they could compete in the playoffs if the offence catches lightening in a bottle but based on the large sample size we've seen this season, the odds of that happening are very small. I'm hoping for the best, but let's see how this offence produces this evening against Cole. I'm willing to bet it's another 3-4 hitter against us till we get into their bullpen.

 

[Bjindaho]

Of course they could compete in the playoffs if the offence catches lightening in a bottle but based on the large sample size we've seen this season, the odds of that happening are very small. I'm hoping for the best, but let's see how this offence produces this evening against Cole. I'm willing to bet it's another 3-4 hitter against us till we get into their bullpen.

Facing arguably the best pitcher in the AL doesn't tell us anything about the playoffs where Cole will not be pitching.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I am thinking 2-0 for the good guys tonight

 

[GoonieFace]

Tough one. Frame it however, a five hit two run outing by the pitching should be a win. Oh well, back tomorrow.

The Yankees would be saying the same thing if things went the other way, there’s 2 teams out there playing

 

[Discoverer]

Shaner isn't wrong, although he has a heavy handed rather colourful way of describing the way alot of us feel. The offence has been horribly inconsistent, and if not for the elite pitching, we would be struggling to win 75 games. People kept saying that the offence will normalize, that it will regress to the mean, etc. Management should have addressed the obvious shortcomings on offence if they were truly serious about competing for a world series. Do you honestly think this offence can compete with Atlanta or Baltimore for the championship? They'd easily lose to Tampa if they were healthy. Of course anything can happen if we get in but it's not likely our pitching can overcome this moribund offence.

Right, he's not wrong that removing a team's best attribute tends to make them worse. It's just a deeply stupid and disingenuous argument to make. "Boy, that '93 team sure would have sucked if they didn't have WAMCO!"

Why is it that the Jays can't compete because of an inconsistent offense, but Baltimore is a powerhouse despite the fact that they're going to give playoff starts to a couple guys with a 4.50+ ERA?

If you want to argue that the Jays won't win in the playoffs because they have a weakness, then you might want to apply that to everyone else. Otherwise, you're just being dumb and negative for the hell of it (which... it's Shaner, so I understand that's his default mode).

 

[Eyedea]

Shaner isn't wrong, although he has a heavy handed rather colourful way of describing the way alot of us feel. The offence has been horribly inconsistent, and if not for the elite pitching, we would be struggling to win 75 games. People kept saying that the offence will normalize, that it will regress to the mean, etc. Management should have addressed the obvious shortcomings on offence if they were truly serious about competing for a world series. Do you honestly think this offence can compete with Atlanta or Baltimore for the championship? They'd easily lose to Tampa if they were healthy. Of course anything can happen if we get in but it's not likely our pitching can overcome this moribund offence.

Weren’t the Jays like bottom 3 when hitting with RISP? They’re 12th in average and 19th in RBIs so something has to have corrected since the start of the season. Pretty sure they were 1st this month in hitting with RISP prior to yesterday’s game too.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Weren’t the Jays like bottom 3 when hitting with RISP? They’re 12th in average and 19th in RBIs so something has to have corrected since the start of the season. Pretty sure they were 1st this month in hitting with RISP prior to yesterday’s game too.

I think they have risen up to 6th or 5th in the AL hitting with RISP on the season.

 

[Squiffy]

The Yankees would be saying the same thing if things went the other way, there’s 2 teams out there playing

And if pigs had wings they could fly.

Yes, it was good pitching from the Yanks too.

 

[mikeyz]

It can go the other way too, in 2021 if the offence wasn’t good Jays would be last place. There is no “ifs”. If Baltimore didn’t have Cano and Bautista, they would be a mid club. We can do this all day long. Again, fact is the Jays are playing meaningful games and a great chance to extend that beyond this week.

I get what you're saying. But Jesus Christ. This offense is frustrating AF to watch sometimes.

 

[MK78]

I’ve felt like this all season. It’s been a very tough watch all year, even when they are winning. It’s just a different style of team I guess but in the most reason runs to the playoffs, there were spurts during the season where they would look unstoppable, and that was fun. This year, even their “hot streaks” have been anything but dominant….not that I’m complaining with how they’re winning because of course a win is a win but the season as a whole has not been an especially fun one!

Yeah even the 2021 Jays that missed the playoffs by 1 game and played in 3 different home ballparks were a crapload more fun to watch, because the offense was there.

As good as pitchers have been this year, its not really exciting to watch a dominant pitching performance, you want offense.

They didnt have any hot streaks. Their longest winning streak was 6, that was in April. After that not more than 5 games.

Remember those teams that won 11 games in a row? i think they did it twice in one year too. Now that was exciting!

 

[the valiant effort]

It's anecdotal that gausman has to have the least amount of run support in MLB this year but anyone know if that is actually true?

I can’t remember if it was during the broadcast or on SC with Jay, but a graphic last night showed Gaus gets the 4th worst run support among starters.

1. Logan Webb
2. JP Sears
3. Zack Greinke

 

[Eyedea]

Yeah even the 2021 Jays that missed the playoffs by 1 game and played in 3 different home ballparks were a crapload more fun to watch, because the offense was there.

As good as pitchers have been this year, its not really exciting to watch a dominant pitching performance, you want offense.

They didnt have any hot streaks. Their longest winning streak was 6, that was in April. After that not more than 5 games.

Remember those teams that won 11 games in a row? i think they did it twice in one year too. Now that was exciting!

It's not the prettiest type of game but it can still be entertaining with a lot on the line. I'm thinking back to those Giants squads that were predominantly all pitching and squeaked their way to WS wins.

Or they could be like those 2010s Rays that would bow out in the DS.

 

[Discoverer]

Yeah even the 2021 Jays that missed the playoffs by 1 game and played in 3 different home ballparks were a crapload more fun to watch, because the offense was there.

As good as pitchers have been this year, its not really exciting to watch a dominant pitching performance, you want offense.

They didnt have any hot streaks. Their longest winning streak was 6, that was in April. After that not more than 5 games.

Remember those teams that won 11 games in a row? i think they did it twice in one year too. Now that was exciting!

Man, I will never understand some fans... dominant pitching and defense is so much fun to watch. The games are more stressful because they're usually closer and there are fewer blowouts, but I don't get how you can't enjoy watching this team with so many great pitching performances over the course of the season.

Also, I don't think a hot streak really defines a team. If you have two 90 win teams but one had a couple 10 game winning streaks and the other never got more than 5 in a row, is the one with the streaks better? I guess you could argue their top level play is potentially higher, but if they end up with the same record it also means they're capable of playing like absolute garbage for stretches since they had to balance it out somewhere.

 

[Eyedea]

Man, I will never understand some fans... dominant pitching and defense is so much fun to watch. The games are more stressful because they're usually closer and there are fewer blowouts, but I don't get how you can't enjoy watching this team with so many great pitching performances over the course of the season.

Also, I don't think a hot streak really defines a team. If you have two 90 win teams but one had a couple 10 game winning streaks and the other never got more than 5 in a row, is the one with the streaks better? I guess you could argue their top level play is potentially higher, but if they end up with the same record it also means they're capable of playing like absolute garbage for stretches since they had to balance it out somewhere.

Yes, win streaks are just relative to the matchups. When you see the worst teams in baseball sweeping playoff calibre teams, you can't really expect long winning streaks. To win 90 games in a season shows enough consistency to win ball games.