I currently specialize in the risk management in finance. Sports are out of control regarding their use of "analytics". The data is not uniform nor does it factor in qualitative aspects in sports. That's why you get these idiots yanking a pitcher with 79 pitches when his limit is 80.
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I currently specialize in the risk management in finance. Sports are out of control regarding their use of "analytics". The data is not uniform nor does it factor in qualitative aspects in sports. That's why you get these idiots yanking a pitcher with 79 pitches when his limit is 80.
Analytics are only 1 part of looking at the game. Dictating a line-up solely on it is exactly why this team has underperformed. There was no reason not to have Davis in the line-up. If it’s true they are dictating lineups strictly due to analytics Atkins should be fired.
It’s also quite apparent that Atkins has hired the last 2 managers as puppets. John isn’t the one actually making the line-up. He’s getting the analytical info from the higher ups and putting in a lineup that Atkins approves.
It’s also quite apparent that Atkins has hired the last 2 managers as puppets. John isn’t the one actually making the line-up. He’s getting the analytical info from the higher ups and putting in a lineup that Atkins approves.
Schnieder should be fired for not having Davis is the lineup. Period. End of discussion.
Manoah has been put on the inactive list on the Bisons. Dude’s career is crashing hard.
Seems like he needs an attitude adjustment and also needs to get on a team training program and lose some weight. Atkins has said he’s not injured.
Guy goes from Cy Young candidate to not even pitching for the AAA team
Seems like he needs an attitude adjustment and also needs to get on a team training program and lose some weight. Atkins has said he’s not injured.
Guy goes from Cy Young candidate to not even pitching for the AAA team
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Suntouchable13
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I think teams would definitely trade something of value for him. He is still young and has an immense amount of talent. Why wouldn’t other teams want him?
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Eyedea
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Could be mental health reasons. I know a season like his could exacerbate it as well. Plenty of guys in recent years have come out citing these issues and have taken time off. Just let the guy work on himself.
dredeye
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It was weird that he hadn’t reported to Buffalo for a couple weeks. I was actually going to post about not hearing anything about him or him pitching since he went down there. Then heard in the radio they were doing other testing on him in Toronto which was why he hadn’t reported but then was sent down. I don’t think he even pitched one inning in Buffalo that I’ve heard of. He’s on that minor league salary I would presume which should be a motivator for him. Until I hear his in Florida working with that team you can only assume he’s quit on himself or there’s an injury they haven’t disclosed which also makes no sense. I don’t know what they are doing with him
kb
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Sad how this part of the board too has now become polluted with know-it-alls who have never posted in this thread before, suddenly talking like he's a replacement level player. It's like there is a worldwide agenda that one has to spew emotional uninformed opinions with zero evidence, and then name calling of anyone who dares to question their emotional outbursts.. Oh wait.....
The world has gone to shit. Very few actual rational takes, it's all emotional outbursts now.
And many people get off on doing this.
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Blue Jays' Manoah placed on temporarily inactive list
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Manoah is still with Buffalo, a source told Nicholson-Smith. The move to the temporarily inactive list clears a roster spot as Manoah continues his ramp-up.
Whats involved in the ramp-up? Building himself up? Working on things?
Blue Jays' Manoah placed on temporarily inactive list
The Buffalo Bisons placed Toronto Blue Jays right-hander Alek Manoah on the temporarily inactive list.The temporarily inactive list is for minor-league players who are away from their team for a few days and are not placed on the injured list.Manoah last pitched in a game Aug. 10 when he allowed...
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Manoah is still with Buffalo, a source told Nicholson-Smith. The move to the temporarily inactive list clears a roster spot as Manoah continues his ramp-up.
Whats involved in the ramp-up? Building himself up? Working on things?
I don't understand how this "the manager doesn't make the lineup" narrative didn't die right after Montoyo got fired and there was an immediate change in general lineup construction under Schneider.
LaP
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The worst thing about advanced stats is the formula often include a variable that is not clearly defined on any site i can find. Now i'm not too concerned about advanced stats personally i have other things to do with my time so maybe if i would search harder i would find the info i want but this is the official definition of xwOBA according to MLB.com.
"All hit types are valued in the same fashion for xwOBA as they are in the formula for standard wOBA: (unintentional BB factor x unintentional BB + HBP factor x HBP + 1B factor x 1B + 2B factor x 2B + 3B factor x 3B + HR factor x HR)/(AB + unintentional BB + SF + HBP), where "factor" indicates the adjusted run expectancy of a batting event in the context of the season as a whole."
Someone will have to enlighten me here. I've done my math at university in the 90ies so it was a long time ago and i try to avoid math as much as possible since then but generally if you have a variable like factor in a formula you have to define it. Here it's put in quotation marks and nothing more is added. I see that and i'm like WTF is that BS.
LaP
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Be very cautious about what you want. If the Jays trade Vlad now unless his career crash in the next 5 years they are unlikely to win the trade. Other GMs will see Atkins coming from a mile and will try to fleece him.
He doesn’t make the line-up. They just said the line-up was made based off matchups…nothing to do with who’s hot, what the best line up is, it was strictly based off analytical data. Either John should be fired for doing that or he’s getting his orders from higher up.
Like I said Davis Schneider was not in the line-up because the match-up numbers according to John or management showed them he shouldn’t be playing. You can’t dictate your line-up like that day to day. Dude is hitting like .350 in 17 games and we’re benching him over matchups lol
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Just a refresher for everyone since we're on this topic again:
Analytics = Anything I Disagree With.
Analytics = Anything I Disagree With.
Eyedea
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The factors are the run expectancy values for each outcome as defined in the wOBA formula
wOBA = (0.690×uBB + 0.722×HBP + 0.888×1B + 1.271×2B + 1.616×3B +
2.101×HR) / (AB + BB – IBB + SF + HBP)
wOBA
Weighted On-Base Average (wOBA) is one of the most important and popular catch-all offensive statistics. It was created by Tom Tango (and notably used in "The Book") to measure a hitter'
The difference is xwOBA uses EV, LA, and sprint speed to calculate what events you should've expected to happen.
Eyedea
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That doesn't mean analytics were involved in determining the lineup. It could've been as simple as Biggio is a lefty, and Whit is a veteran.
And before I get bombarded I've already said I don't agree with the decision. But to say it was analytically driven and from a higher up is unsubstantiated.
Analytics should provide guidance in making decisions.
Analytics should NOT be making the decisions. And that is what you're seeing on a regular basis here.
Eyedea
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Blue Jays aren't even the most analytically driven team in their division. In fact, the two teams above them might be two of the most analytic-based organizations at the moment (certainly the Rays are).
Some of y'all talk about analytics like you caught your wife in bed with a life sized calculator.
Analytics. Whatever happened to player is playing well lets keep on playing him. Last night for example analytics say pinch hit for biggio vs the lefty. But he went out and got a hit vs the lefties
Eyedea
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And by that logic, why is Biggio hitting vs a lefty? If every decision was analytically driven then Schneider probably should’ve been saved for a moment like that.
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I think this puts it well. It's meant to inform, not to instruct. That's where having an experienced manager who is not afraid to use or discard said data would pay off.
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Yeah something really weird is going on with him. He was sent down August 11th. That's nearing a month ago, and still hasnt pitched.
He's not injured, otherwise he'd be on the IL to collect service time (they explained on the radio).
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