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Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v1 | Fri, Apr 7 | @ LAA | 9:30pm ET/6:30pm PT | Bassitt vs Sandoval

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Eyedea said:
I don’t think it’s that shocking since Molina and Perez are basically the two extremes for the stat. I’d put a greater emphasis on framing than any other aspect to catching that can be quantified (obviously game calling is important). Since it’s been recording only Ryan Doumit (legit worst fielding numbers I’ve seen) and Suzuki are worse than Perez. Only reason Jose Molina isn’t 1st is because Martin, McCann, and Yadi played more.
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If it was a 10 WAR swing I could buy that.

But a 30-35 WAR swing based on one aspect of catching does not compute to me.
 
Bats aren’t a concern at all outside of Belt. Belt didn’t get as many plate appearances in spring training so hopefully he’s just rusty. Even if he still sucks, Barger could take his place.
 
MS said:
If it was a 10 WAR swing I could buy that.

But a 30-35 WAR swing based on one aspect of catching does not compute to me.
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Well the value works out to Perez being -10.5 wins and Molina being +14 by FG metrics, and that also just considers Molina’s last 7 seasons since data only goes back to 2008. Yes it might seem crazy but Molina was legitimately one of the best defensive catchers in recent years. I think where we differ is that I don’t just consider it one aspect of catching, but literally the main aspect of catching that can be evaluated.
 
Seath The Scaleless said:
Buck thinks Perez is a hall of famer.

Drink.
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Last night Buck was really cranky and ripped Salvador a new one for a passed ball that led to a run... He seemed to really linger on it, pointing to Perez's gold chest protector and catcher's mitt yet not being able to block a very basic pitch..

Tonight... he seemed to have had a good nap this afternoon and maybe a flask of whiskey for a cold night... Perez is now a HOF'er... Such is life with a man that has been at this a very long time..
 
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MS said:
If it was a 10 WAR swing I could buy that.

But a 30-35 WAR swing based on one aspect of catching does not compute to me.
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A big part of it is a matter of scale. Batters come to the plate ~600 times per year. On the bases, you get maybe a couple hundred chances to add value over the course of a year. The top defenders make something like 600 plays per year.

Catcher framing opportunities can run upwards of 4000 a year. Even comparing a catcher who's 1% above average and another who's 1% below average gives you a difference of 80 strikes a year. I don't know the exact math on how they translate that to runs/wins, but that's a significant difference, and that's two relatively similar catchers... we're not even talking about the extremes like Molina/Perez.
 
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Chapman looks like a completely different hitter too. Looks dialed in. Love it

Let’s go Gausman. Get this man some f***ing runs please.
 
No Kirk either? Biggio in the outfield? Springer out. That's disappointing.

Unless there's something nagging Kirk, I'm really not a fan of playing Belt over Kirk.

 
Feels like a weird day to DH Vlad when Springer is out of the lineup, but that's okay. It's early, and they should beat this KC team with virtually any lineup combination, especially with your ace on the mound.

I'm liking that they're actually playing Biggio with his great start to the year. Always been a big believer in his bat. Hoping he stays healthy and has the elite OBP season we know he's capable of.
 
Ah I see belt is dh over Kirk again.

Fingers crossed he looks better at the plate today.
 
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