WJC: 2023 Team Canada Roster Talk Part 2

[Statsy]

You'd probably have to ask the people who picked the team why he made it. It does seem that Canada made a conscious decision to go for size in its depth players.

Going for age this year as well. An awful lot of 19yo's on this roster.

 

[FourQuarters]

Love Colton, but he needs to provide his best performance to silence those noises. Everyone will say HC chose him for what happened to Kirby.

 

[ORRFForever]

Wasn't this organization dismantled for criminal activity?

 

[ORRFForever]

Team Canada will have zero returnee forwards next year

That's assuming Bedard and Fantilli are in the NHL and you never know - at this time, last year, people assumed Wright would NOT be at the WJR's.

Lets be honest, If Colton Dach's brother wasn't Kirby would he have even been drafted in the 2nd round let alone in consideration for this team?

I can't imagine they chose the kid just because his brother got hurt - H.C. must feel he brings something to the table that others do not.

 

[ORRFForever]

By the way , Sam Bankman Fried just got arrested !! This is another shocker !!

Ha, ha... Speaking of which, a quick movie review...

Trust No One : The Hunt For The Crypto King (2022) :

Before Sam Bankman-Fried, there was Canadian Gerald Cotton. Is he dead or is he on a private island living off the $190,000,000 he stole? You decide.

90 minutes. I wished it was longer. Interesting documentary.

7.5/10

 

[Habsrule]

I think that Canada kinda dropped the ball here a bit. I mean I am not fully against any of the picks but I feel like they could have picked more skill for the team.

I understand the thought process of picking the best all round team in hockey. The thing is that thought process works better in a best of 7 series where defined depth players who have depth roles come more into play. In tournament play it is win and you move on or lose and you are eliminated. I’d rather take the most skilled team that I can into that type of tournament. I don’t want to just rely on the top two lines for scoring and then whatever the third and fourth line provide is a bonus. I want to be able for Canada to play their third and fourth lines and have them big scoring threats still. Plus I with that another one or two 18 year old would have made the team to be returning players for next year.

 

[ORRFForever]

I think that Canada kinda dropped the ball here a bit. I mean I am not fully against any of the picks but I feel like they could have picked more skill for the team.

I understand the thought process of picking the best all round team in hockey. The thing is that thought process works better in a best of 7 series where defined depth players who have depth roles come more into play. In tournament play it is win and you move on or lose and you are eliminated. I’d rather take the most skilled team that I can into that type of tournament. I don’t want to just rely on the top two lines for scoring and then whatever the third and fourth line provide is a bonus. I want to be able for Canada to play their third and fourth lines and have them big scoring threats still. Plus I with that another one or two 18 year old would have made the team to be returning players for next year.

^^ Every year, people feel like this way. ^^

In Hockey Canada's defense, they have a heck of a track record.

 

[cmcneil02]

Any exhibition games televised?

Canada / Switzerland on December 19th in Moncton among some others.

 

[cmcneil02]

2022 World Junior Lines from last Summer.

GOLD MEDAL
Roy - McTavish - Dufour
Johnson - Stankoven - Foerster
Cuylle - Gaucher - Bedard
Othmann - Ostapchuk - Desnoyers
Injured: Greig

AUGUST 15th
Othmann | McTavish | Bedard
Johnson | Stankoven | Foerster
Roy | Greig | Dufour
Cuylle | Ostapchuk | Desnoyers

AUGUST 11th
Roy | McTavish | Bedard
Johnson | Stankoven | Foerster
Ostapchuk | Greig | Dufour
Othmann | Desnoyers | Cuylle

 

[GermanSpitfire]

lol, he was a lock from the start.

He didn’t make the team? And was even the easier cut out of the goaltenders.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

He didn’t make the team? And was even the easier cut out of the goaltenders.

Thought he was talking about Brennan Othmann

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Thought he was talking about Brennan Othmann

LOL fair.

 

[JackSlater]

I think that Canada kinda dropped the ball here a bit. I mean I am not fully against any of the picks but I feel like they could have picked more skill for the team.

I understand the thought process of picking the best all round team in hockey. The thing is that thought process works better in a best of 7 series where defined depth players who have depth roles come more into play. In tournament play it is win and you move on or lose and you are eliminated. I’d rather take the most skilled team that I can into that type of tournament. I don’t want to just rely on the top two lines for scoring and then whatever the third and fourth line provide is a bonus. I want to be able for Canada to play their third and fourth lines and have them big scoring threats still. Plus I with that another one or two 18 year old would have made the team to be returning players for next year.

I think that most would agree with the approach you're talking about. As it stands right now Canada looks like a team planning to outscore the opposition with its top two lines and wear them out with the other two. Ideally they would have three top scoring lines when depth allows, this being one of those years. As for returnees, Korchinski looks like the only realistic returnee to a 2024 team that will very likely be a fair bit weaker than this one. Hopefully Canada takes advantage of what looks like a very favourable opportunity this tournament.

 

[kyle44]

Overall, I'm happy with the roster but I have a few minor gripes like some others have raised. I think the biggest issue I have is how rigid HC brass seems to be before camp has even started.

I'm not surprised by it given past history, but it seems pointless to me to bring guys in from all over North America when they have no hope of making the roster, only to cut them in a highly publicized setting. For example, I don't think there was anything Dumais, Greene or Rousseau could've done at camp to make the team since they were excellent at camp. Conversely, its clear they had guys like Dach, Dean and Schaefer locked in, regardless of their performance, as they were invisible in the U-sports games. Bankier might be the only exception where he played his way onto the team.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Overall, I'm happy with the roster but I have a few minor gripes like some others have raised. I think the biggest issue I have is how rigid HC brass seems to be before camp has even started.

I'm not surprised by it given past history, but it seems pointless to me to bring guys in from all over North America when they have no hope of making the roster, only to cut them in a highly publicized setting. For example, I don't think there was anything Dumais, Greene or Rousseau could've done at camp to make the team since they were excellent at camp. Conversely, its clear they had guys like Dach, Dean and Schaefer locked in, regardless of their performance, as they were invisible in the U-sports games. Bankier might be the only exception.

Yeah every year it is edging closer and closer to the camp being a waste of time. They know 99% of what they want and the chances of 2 scrimmage games changing what they already want is extremely low.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

This was my prediction last week:
Othmann-Wright-Guenther
Roy-Stankoven-Bedard
Bolduc-Fantilli-Ostapchuk
Kidney-Dean-Gaucher
Beck

Korchinski-Allan
Zellweger-Matier
Lambos-Del Mastro
Nause

I think now that it's official, we see this:
Othmann-Wright-Guenther
Roy-Stankoven-Bedard
Dean-Fantilli-Ostapchuk
Schaefer-Gaucher-Bankier
Dach

Del Mastro-Clarke
Zellwegger-Matier
Korchinski-Allan
Hinds

Gaudreau/Milic

 

[EquivalentStay]

I cannot beleive beck got cut !!! This is a travesty!!! It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous!

Honestly I thought beck was a lock as he is lighting the league this year. Sound defensive player.


I dont agree with building a team using a salary cap method.

Hopefully you learned just how dumb it is to assert your opinions as facts moving forward. I bet you didn't though.

 

[ORRFForever]

This was my prediction last week:
Othmann-Wright-Guenther
Roy-Stankoven-Bedard
Bolduc-Fantilli-Ostapchuk
Kidney-Dean-Gaucher
Beck

Korchinski-Allan
Zellweger-Matier
Lambos-Del Mastro
Nause

I think now that it's official, we see this:
Othmann-Wright-Guenther
Roy-Stankoven-Bedard
Dean-Fantilli-Ostapchuk
Schaefer-Gaucher-Bankier
Dach

Del Mastro-Clarke
Zellwegger-Matier
Korchinski-Allan
Hinds

Gaudreau/Milic

You did a nice job.

Hopefully you learned just how dumb it is to assert your opinions as facts moving forward. I bet you didn't though.

Pecno's a good guy.

 

[ORRFForever]

I could get used to the WJR's being played TWICE a year.

I'm just glad we don't have to worry about a replay of last Christmas.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I could get used to the WJR's being played TWICE a year.

I'm just glad we don't have to worry about a replay of last Christmas.

Dont you dare jinx us. I'm still in recovery.

 

[Morgs]

Only Mateychuk and Dumais are egregious omissions (besides Savioe obviously). Still can't believe Mateychuk wasn't invited, let alone a lock in the top-4.

 

[57special]

Overall, I'm happy with the roster but I have a few minor gripes like some others have raised. I think the biggest issue I have is how rigid HC brass seems to be before camp has even started.

I'm not surprised by it given past history, but it seems pointless to me to bring guys in from all over North America when they have no hope of making the roster, only to cut them in a highly publicized setting. For example, I don't think there was anything Dumais, Greene or Rousseau could've done at camp to make the team since they were excellent at camp. Conversely, its clear they had guys like Dach, Dean and Schaefer locked in, regardless of their performance, as they were invisible in the U-sports games. Bankier might be the only exception where he played his way onto the team.

Yeah every year it is edging closer and closer to the camp being a waste of time. They know 99% of what they want and the chances of 2 scrimmage games changing what they already want is extremely low.

Yet Lambos(thought to be a sure thing, or very close to it) was cut, and Bankier(the ultimate dark horse, who no one thought had a chance) made it.

 

[ORRFForever]

Dont you dare jinx us. I'm still in recovery.

I remember the day they cancelled it. It really did leave a hole in my Christmas holidays. There is nothing quite like the World Juniors at Christmas.

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I remember when I use to buy The Hockey News - World Juniors edition. I looked forward to it coming out, spend $10(?) on it, get it home, read the World Junior review in 15 minutes and realize I burned $10 to read something I could have gotten at HF for free. In fact, the info here was 100x more in depth...

^^

Like this but in Canadian dollars.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Only Mateychuk and Dumais are egregious omissions (besides Savioe obviously). Still can't believe Mateychuk wasn't invited, let alone a lock in the top-4.

In Mateychuk's case, they already had Clarke, Korchinski, and Zellwegger as offensively focused defenseman, so there's that. Hockey Canada is weird though. Once you play for them at some level before the U20, they keep their eyes on you moving forward.

 

[Mathieukferland]

Only Mateychuk and Dumais are egregious omissions (besides Savioe obviously). Still can't believe Mateychuk wasn't invited, let alone a lock in the top-4.

Hockey Canada builds rosters like they have a salary cap to follow