Red Sox/MLB 2023 Spring Training Begins- Forbes says Boston Red Sox are worth $4.5 billion

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McGarnagle

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Pens fan with a FSG question lol.

We know you guys don't have a high opinion of them and have warned us on our board.

Was letting Xander Bogaerts go one of FSGs "smart decisions," like are they trying to play Moneyball or are they cleaning house and focusing on a rebuild?

I ask because since buying our team they haven't said one word other than they were happy to resign Sullivan. And they seem interested in keeping everyone from the old regime, even though things are stagnant.

As much as we all want to dump on ownership for it, the truth is more nuanced and it comes down to how you interpret smart decision/dumb decision, short term vs. long term vs. big picture, etc.

In a baseball sense, watching your homegrown all-star shortstop walk sucks and makes the team worse. No doubt about that. However, the contract the Padres gave him was absurd, inefficient, and may be an anchor on them in 11 years. The however to the however is the question of whether it's justifiable to be locked into bad money at the end of a long term contract to ensure you get the production during the early part of the deal when you want to compete, and whether the extra millions thrown in at the end are worth it for what it does for morale and public relations. You can't put a price on team morale and positive feelings in the fanbase and media, especially when the ownership group was already facing plenty of criticism for their level of commitment to the franchise headed into the offseason.

In sum, the reaction has been largely negative even though we admit that the Padres gave Xander way too much term and money and from a strictly financial sense that's a bad contract.
 

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Pens fan with a FSG question lol.

We know you guys don't have a high opinion of them and have warned us on our board.

Was letting Xander Bogaerts go one of FSGs "smart decisions," like are they trying to play Moneyball or are they cleaning house and focusing on a rebuild?

I ask because since buying our team they haven't said one word other than they were happy to resign Sullivan. And they seem interested in keeping everyone from the old regime, even though things are stagnant.
remember, FSG is only in Pittsburgh because the B's weren't available to be bought.... FSG has other interests besides selling Liverpool/the Sox/Pens.... they also are backing RFK Racing in the same role that FSG is in Pittsburgh.... hence the cross promotion when RFK, then RFR, Promotes at New Hampshire Motor Speedway every JULY.
 

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remember, FSG is only in Pittsburgh because the B's weren't available to be bought.... FSG has other interests besides selling Liverpool/the Sox/Pens.... they also are backing RFK Racing in the same role that FSG is in Pittsburgh.... hence the cross promotion when RFK, then RFR, Promotes at New Hampshire Motor Speedway every JULY.

Real estate is another reason they bought the Pens, which is the purchase of the lower hill district that is tied to the team. So, now that they own that property, they have been reportedly very focused on finding a developer and getting this project started asap.

Because once that area is rebuilt it should rake in a substantial amount of money for FSG.
 

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Real estate is another reason they bought the Pens, which is the purchase of the lower hill district that is tied to the team. So, now that they own that property, they have been reportedly very focused on finding a developer and getting this project started asap.

Because once that area is rebuilt it should rake in a substantial amount of money for FSG.

You know, I have no idea how they'll be as owners in a hard cap league. Obviously they've had tremendous success with the Red Sox and won a Champions Cup just a few years ago, but a hard salary cap poses very different challenges.

My hope is they f***ing suck as NHL owners and run the Penguins into the f***ing ground where they forever turn to dust never to recover so long as the Sun burns, but maybe I'll get lucky and it'll be much worse than that.
 

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You know, I have no idea how they'll be as owners in a hard cap league. Obviously they've had tremendous success with the Red Sox and won a Champions Cup just a few years ago, but a hard salary cap poses very different challenges.

My hope is they f***ing suck as NHL owners and run the Penguins into the f***ing ground where they forever turn to dust never to recover so long as the Sun burns, but maybe I'll get lucky and it'll be much worse than that.
That's my best hope for them, as well!
 
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You know, I have no idea how they'll be as owners in a hard cap league. Obviously they've had tremendous success with the Red Sox and won a Champions Cup just a few years ago, but a hard salary cap poses very different challenges.

My hope is they f***ing suck as NHL owners and run the Penguins into the f***ing ground where they forever turn to dust never to recover so long as the Sun burns, but maybe I'll get lucky and it'll be much worse than that.

There are a couple fans who think they only bought the team just for the real estate venture. But if that was the only reason, why would they settle on the lower hill district of all places in this country? :laugh:

But I was thinking Maybe the revenue generated from that project wouldn't just help the Pens but also allow FSG better financing to build (or rebuild) the Red Sox.
 

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There are a couple fans who think they only bought the team just for the real estate venture. But if that was the only reason, why would they settle on the lower hill district of all places in this country? :laugh:

But I was thinking Maybe the revenue generated from that project wouldn't just help the Pens but also allow FSG better financing to build (or rebuild) the Red Sox.

I've heard Sox fans complain that they put the revenue from the team into Liverpool and vice versa from the other side of the Atlantic. I don't believe they think like that let alone operate like that. FSG (which is a much bigger, much different beast from the ownership group that bought the Sox initially) is designed to make money, and they know winning means more money.
 
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There are a couple fans who think they only bought the team just for the real estate venture. But if that was the only reason, why would they settle on the lower hill district of all places in this country? :laugh:

But I was thinking Maybe the revenue generated from that project wouldn't just help the Pens but also allow FSG better financing to build (or rebuild) the Red Sox.
Real estate is a big part of the purchase of the Pens. It’s certainly a big part of their ownership of the Red Sox, Fenway Park and the land surrounding the park. Regional TV sports networks, as well. Root is in trouble, I wonder if they will make a play for it.
 

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Real estate is a big part of the purchase of the Pens. It’s certainly a big part of their ownership of the Red Sox, Fenway Park and the land surrounding the park. Regional TV sports networks, as well. Root is in trouble, I wonder if they will make a play for it.

This article was 5 days ago but it looks like we're going the NESN route.

 

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Real estate is a big part of the purchase of the Pens. It’s certainly a big part of their ownership of the Red Sox, Fenway Park and the land surrounding the park. Regional TV sports networks, as well. Root is in trouble, I wonder if they will make a play for it.
AT& T Sportsnet has nothing to do with the Diamond Sports BK..... WHICH originally was Fox Sports before Bally Sports, ALL YOU HAVE TO do is look at the Pirates broadcast, doubtful you'd see FSG buy into that since NESN is already co-mingled as part of the sale from the Yawkeys to Henry
 

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AT& T Sportsnet has nothing to do with the Diamond Sports BK..... WHICH originally was Fox Sports before Bally Sports, ALL YOU HAVE TO do is look at the Pirates broadcast, doubtful you'd see FSG buy into that since NESN is already co-mingled as part of the sale from the Yawkeys to Henry
You’re correct that it has nothing to do with Diamond Sports, but Warner Bros. Discovery is expected to move away from the RSN.
 

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Yeahhhhhh gonna need Fenway Sports Group to sell off a couple franchises to afford the posting fee. Kid is prodigious

Only takes one pitch for all that to change with these high velo, premium arms though

I hope Yoshida has been recruiting Ohtani and Roki Saskai the last few weeks. I won't care how overpaid he is if he plays a small part in getting those two in Boston.
Him and Shohei look like they get along great
 
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Its good to see Adam Duvall doing well in spring training. He started with no hits in his first 6 spring training game and since then has at least 1 hit in 7 of the last 8 games and 3 home runs and has his average up to .242. Hopefully he keeps trucking along into the season.
 
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