Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk XII

[NeelyDan]

A deal surrounding Debrusk and Lindholm probably makes sense for both teams in my mind.

 

[UncleRico]

I personally think he is a#5 Dman at best . I feel it is time to move on from him and his cap hit could be used to help improve the team. As i stated before I am really not trying to discuss his value more concerned with what his trade value is.

Ya I can see that and there plenty of people who agree with you. I think he’s roughly a number 4 so really not too far off.

Overall I like Gryz, but if lohrei is as good as some say he will be here then Gryz days are probably numbered in the next couple years. I wouldn’t be opposed to moving him in a deal depending on the return.

 

[Hookslide]

If losing Zacha brings in Lindholm, I don't see the problem

Problem is you are brining in a bigger contract and losing a very manageable contract and you are just scratching the surface of Zachas potential.........If you are going after a big contract center I would prefer Petterson over Lindholm or Schefiele

 

[TCB]

Ya I can see that and there plenty of people who agree with you. I think he’s roughly a number 4 so really not too far off.

Overall I like Gryz, but if lohrei is as good as some say he will be here then Gryz days are probably numbered in the next couple years. I wouldn’t be opposed to moving him in a deal depending on the return.

Im guessing a little sooner than that, given he'll be a UFA at seasons end.

 

[TCB]

Problem is you are brining in a bigger contract and losing a very manageable contract and you are just scratching the surface of Zachas potential.........If you are going after a big contract center I would prefer Petterson over Lindholm or Schefiele

I think Petterson is a pipe dream. No way the Nucks move him imo and if they do its going to cost a McAvoy. As far as Zacha , I guess I'm not as high on him as many here are. I don't think he's any more than what he showed last year and that was playing with the runner-up to McDavid for the Leagues MVP and Krejci.

Lindholm salary and Zacha for this year is pretty much a wash and next years the Bruins have more than enough Cap space available to extend Lindholm, who's clearly the better player.

 

[DKH]

I don't care about creating another problem. I would trade a first plus Zacha.

There is 0.0 they are trading Zacha - the Bruins like this player and he just turned 26

Calgary is F’n screwed

Lindholm holds the Ace of spades

Bruins don’t have to do shit till February

 

[DKH]

If losing Zacha brings in Lindholm, I don't see the problem

The plan is to have both and he’s free in June

They will wait

 

[TCB]

The plan is to have both and he’s free in June

They will wait

I think if they can make a deal for him its done. Its not like Lindholm is saying its Bruins or Free agency and then its Bruins again. The Flames will either re-up him or deal him and imo the team that gets him will have an extension in place. Therefore Lindholm wont be hitting the open market come June of 2024.

Sweeney went out and Signed Geekie he's Zacha's replacement if a deal with Calgary for Lindholm can be made, both would be Sweet, but Conroy is already on record as saying he's not going to let another top FA walk for free. so if the bruins want him they need to anti- up and Zacha or Debrusk would more than likely be the key roster piece heading the other way.

 

[PB37]

I'd like Lindholm here just like everyone else, but if we're trading DeBrusk as part of the package for him, who does Lindholm center on his line? I think the goal should be to have those two together as a " in their prime " core pair and for Zacha/Pasta to be the other prime core pair. I think the Bruins should wait it out until closer to the trade deadline.

XXXX -- Zacha -- Pasta

Marchand -- Lindholm -- DeBrusk

 

[JOKER 192]

If losing Zacha brings in Lindholm, I don't see the problem

Well for starters if Zacha can continue to preform like last year or even improve on it, his contract is an absolute steal.

If they trade him, they sure don't need to add anything to the deal.

 

[wintersej]

I think if they can make a deal for him its done. Its not like Lindholm is saying its Bruins or Free agency and then its Bruins again. The Flames will either re-up him or deal him and imo the team that gets him will have an extension in place. Therefore Lindholm wont be hitting the open market come June of 2024.

Sweeney went out and Signed Geekie he's Zacha's replacement if a deal with Calgary for Lindholm can be made, both would be Sweet, but Conroy is already on record as saying he's not going to let another top FA walk for free. so if the bruins want him they need to anti- up and Zacha or Debrusk would more than likely be the key roster piece heading the other way.

I don’t think Calgary dealing him means he won’t hit UFA. He wants #1C money so its far from a guarantee that a playoff team getting him for a run can slot him in long term. It’s a risky bet to make, for sure, but who are the teams besides Boston and Calgary that are hot to pay Lindholm 9+?

 

[wintersej]

Some cold water stats for Zacha amongst forwards last year.

5 on 5 goals: 76th (tied)
5 on 5 secondary helpers: 2nd
5 on 5 primary helpers: 91st (tied)

Going to need to see more primary points out of Zacha this coming season.

 

[The don godfather]

What a powerful outage its gonna be with that black hole in the middle we better play those 2 to 1 games and win and that's what Donny is thinking here. I think will be fine playing this way and getting in.

 

[JOKER 192]

What a powerful outage its gonna be with that black hole in the middle we better play those 2 to 1 games and win and that's what Donny is thinking here. I think will be fine playing this way and getting in.

Going to make for some dull hockey games though.

 

[The don godfather]

Going to make for some dull hockey games though.

Ullmark and sway with that concrete D core we will be fine. Donny will add a center at deadline.

 

[DKH]

I think if they can make a deal for him its done. Its not like Lindholm is saying its Bruins or Free agency and then its Bruins again. The Flames will either re-up him or deal him and imo the team that gets him will have an extension in place. Therefore Lindholm wont be hitting the open market come June of 2024.

Sweeney went out and Signed Geekie he's Zacha's replacement if a deal with Calgary for Lindholm can be made, both would be Sweet, but Conroy is already on record as saying he's not going to let another top FA walk for free. so if the bruins want him they need to anti- up and Zacha or Debrusk would more than likely be the key roster piece heading the other way.

Bruins won’t fill a hole by creating another

DeBrusk I’m not sure what the plan is but Zacha especially and Carlo likely are not going anywhere

If they trade for Lindholm I would go Zacha 0% Carlo 0% and DeBrusk 25%

I’d keep Jake and wait till February see where at

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Some cold water stats for Zacha amongst forwards last year.

5 on 5 goals: 76th (tied)
5 on 5 secondary helpers: 2nd
5 on 5 primary helpers: 91st (tied)

Going to need to see more primary points out of Zacha this coming season.

If that’s among forwards, those are “first line” forwards numbers no?

 

[PB37]

Some cold water stats for Zacha amongst forwards last year.

5 on 5 goals: 76th (tied)
5 on 5 secondary helpers: 2nd
5 on 5 primary helpers: 91st (tied)

Going to need to see more primary points out of Zacha this coming season.

Kind of tough to pick up primary assists on that line with Krejci and Pasta as the main facilitators.

IMO, primary vs secondary assists have just about the same importance.

A lot is going to be expected of Zacha, that's for sure. I think at least points wise, Pasta will help inflate his stats and Zacha will end up with 60-70 points, which is in line with Bergeron/Krejci production. The other parts of the position as current defacto #1 ( faceoffs, two way play, dependability in key situations ) will be what they'll have to focus on to see if he's up for the spot or if he's a bench warmer for a bigger fish.

 

[Hookslide]

Ullmark and sway with that concrete D core we will be fine. Donny will add a center at deadline.

I like what you are saying about Sway and Ullmark
I am not in agreement with "concrete " D .........love first 3 ,but after that not so sure

 

[quietbruinfan]

Kind of tough to pick up primary assists on that line with Krejci and Pasta as the main facilitators.

IMO, primary vs secondary assists have just about the same importance.

A lot is going to be expected of Zacha, that's for sure. I think at least points wise, Pasta will help inflate his stats and Zacha will end up with 60-70 points, which is in line with Bergeron/Krejci production. The other parts of the position as current defacto #1 ( faceoffs, two way play, dependability in key situations ) will be what they'll have to focus on to see if he's up for the spot or if he's a bench warmer for a bigger fish.

Pasta makes plays but he isn't exactly a facilitator.

 

[EverettMike]

Kind of tough to pick up primary assists on that line with Krejci and Pasta as the main facilitators.

IMO, primary vs secondary assists have just about the same importance.

A lot is going to be expected of Zacha, that's for sure. I think at least points wise, Pasta will help inflate his stats and Zacha will end up with 60-70 points, which is in line with Bergeron/Krejci production. The other parts of the position as current defacto #1 ( faceoffs, two way play, dependability in key situations ) will be what they'll have to focus on to see if he's up for the spot or if he's a bench warmer for a bigger fish.

Why do you feel this way?

 

[PB37]

Pasta makes plays but he isn't exactly a facilitator.

Pasta has the puck on his stick more than anyone on his line. Yeah, he makes a lot of risky passes that end badly. But that doesn't mean he wasn't sharing the bulk of playmaking for that line last year.

 

[PB37]

Why do you feel this way?

Just for my own observation ( not backed by stats ), a lot of secondary assists end up being just as impactful as the primary when breaking down a play that leads to a goal.

- A dman under pressure makes a breakout pass that ends up on the center's stick for a two on one breakout and eventually a goal

- Someone winning a board battle who then gets the puck to a teammate, who then passes it for a goal


Those guys are getting secondary assists, but were vital in getting the play in motion.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Ullmark and sway with that concrete D core we will be fine. Donny will add a center at deadline.

I expect a bit of a decline in Ullmark’s game this season he was almost perfect for the regular season,really cant expect that again.

 

[EverettMike]

Just for my own observation ( not backed by stats ), a lot of secondary assists end up being just as impactful as the primary when breaking down a play that leads to a goal.

- A dman under pressure makes a breakout pass that ends up on the center's stick for a two on one breakout and eventually a goal

- Someone winning a board battle who then gets the puck to a teammate, who then passes it for a goal


Those guys are getting secondary assists, but were vital in getting the play in motion.

Those are great examples, for sure. But I don't think secondary assists on the whole come close in total numbers to being "just as impactful" as their primary counterparts. I think a majority of secondary assists end up being "guy who happened to touch the puck prior to the pass that actually set up a goal."