Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk XII

[Shroud of Orrin]

It’s not that Calgary is a terrible city it’s that the Saddledome and the other hockey facilities are absolutely horrible. Like below almost all D1 colleges.

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It’s a fair point - I was there two years ago. But does a player leave because he doesn’t like the rink? I mean sure - sucks, but come on. We played 67 years in the old garden and players said they were going to miss it! Lol

New details on Calgary arena deal emerge as final agreement expected to arrive later this summer

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

It’s a fair point - I was there two years ago. But does a player leave because he doesn’t like the rink? I mean sure - sucks, but come on. We played 67 years in the old garden and players said they were going to miss it! Lol

New details on Calgary arena deal emerge as final agreement expected to arrive later this summer

It’s the whole facilities thing - weight room, player training areas, practice facilities. And a crumbling arena. Yeah, it matters a ton to the modern day athlete absolutely.

 

[Blowfish]

Corey replied to a quesiton about a player left off.. that it's just a list of some random players he thought typified a certain type. It's not a list or ranking in any way.

I figured as much ... the fact 2 leaf players were on the grid was a dead giveaway.

 

[Gee Wally]

Tomorrow’s Globe:

A NO. 1 CENTER?​

Bruins would be prime suitors for Flames’ Lindholm​

Rumors continue that the Flames will look to deal veteran center Elias Lindholm, on target to be an unrestricted free agent July 1. If they are serious about shopping the 28-year-old pivot, the Bruins would be prime suitors.

Like recent retirees Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci, Lindholm is a right-shot centerman, smart and durable and fairly prolific. He has rolled up 513 points in his 10 NHL seasons, ranking him third in his 2013 draft class, behind Colorado’s Nathan MacKinnon (759) and Florida’s Alexsander Barkov (631).

Lindholm would plug in immediately as the No. 1 pivot with elite wingers Brad Marchand and David Pastrnak, allowing Pavel Zacha to remain at No. 2 and Charlie Coyle at No. 3.

All that, of course, is assuming the Bruins would not have to surrender Zacha in the swap. Zacha almost certainly would be one of Calgary’s asks.

 

[Kegs]

I hope you're right but in the long term, FA signings feel like a bandaid on a bullet wound. 32nd prospect pool in the league is depressing. Let's see what Sweeney and Gold can do when it's finally time to shit or get off the pot

It’s really to be expected. How can u compete with perennial losers prospect pool? Don’t take it too seriously. Bruins are fine. Writers don’t watch prospects on every team. Pronman is just hitting up Google like the rest of us. Don’t over think it. He wasn’t even accurate about our pool. And the bruins are obviously going to be at the bottom of the league in prospects. Just like: Tampa, Toronto, Vegas and any other team that is elite. Elite teams never have deep prospect pools. It doesn’t mean anything.

You know who has a deep prospect pool? The coyotes. Let’s be more like the coyotes

I’ve wasted way too much time this summer going through the drafts. Boston is pretty good at drafting and/or developing. They turn out quite A bit of nhl players for a team that doesn’t have a lot of picks. They also almost never have first or seconds. And even when they do have a first it’s a late first.

 

[Gordoff]

It’s a fair point - I was there two years ago. But does a player leave because he doesn’t like the rink? I mean sure - sucks, but come on. We played 67 years in the old garden and players said they were going to miss it! Lol

New details on Calgary arena deal emerge as final agreement expected to arrive later this summer

Players today are much different. They go to cities where the rink and facilities are top-notch and then go back down to an arena that's barely fit for the AHL. It's gotta be annoying.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

Maybe Hampus and Ullmark would make nice teammates for Elias and all, but this still smells like very wishful thinking. We don’t have the assets and trading Zacha just creates another hole.

His value is north of what DeBrincat was dealt for (1st, 20 goal winger, D prospect and 4th).

Love to see it. Don’t see it happening.

 

[BMC]

Maybe Hampus and Ullmark would make nice teammates for Elias and all, but this still smells like very wishful thinking. We don’t have the assets and trading Zacha just creates another hole.

His value is north of what DeBrincat was dealt for (1st, 20 goal winger, D prospect and 4th).

Love to see it. Don’t see it happening.

I think it comes down to which hole is easier to fill: 1C or 2C??? 1Cs are harder to find & they cost a lot whether it's the contract or price to acquire if he's not UFA. The Bruins do not have a 1C ready to step in, they have to do something. If I have to give up Zacha as part of a deal to get a good 1C like Lindholm I'm inclined to do it provided he signs to stay here awhile, I'd never do it for a one year rental. He's still young and productive.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I don't care about creating another problem. I would trade a first plus Zacha.

 

[GordonHowe]

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[Dr Quincy]

I don't care about creating another problem. I would trade a first plus Zacha.

Zacha has a 10 team No Trade List. Usually the Canadian teams are on players' lists. Not sure about Zacha, but the number of NTC and NMC clauses of guys on the team with salary make a deal hard to get done.

Debrusk, Frederic, McAvoy and Gryz are the players w/o any trade protection. Obviously 1 of those is a no go.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Zacha has a 10 team No Trade List. Usually the Canadian teams are on players' lists. Not sure about Zacha, but the number of NTC and NMC clauses of guys on the team with salary make a deal hard to get done.

Debrusk, Frederic, McAvoy and Gryz are the players w/o any trade protection. Obviously 1 of those is a no go.

Thanks, I am not a big fan of Zacha and was not thinking realistically.

 

[bme44]

Zacha has a 10 team No Trade List. Usually the Canadian teams are on players' lists. Not sure about Zacha, but the number of NTC and NMC clauses of guys on the team with salary make a deal hard to get done.

Debrusk, Frederic, McAvoy and Gryz are the players w/o any trade protection. Obviously 1 of those is a no go.

DeBrusk has value, but not sure I would like to see him moved
Fredric , has some value still young and signed to a reasonable contract
McAvoy I agree, you are not moving
Gryz Any value ?????????? I think anyone expecting much of a return for him would be disappointed. Maybe a second round or a third round pick at trade dead line ?????? Maybe

 

[bme44]

Lol

I know you are a big Gryz fan and you know I am not. So I ask you what do you think Gryz's trade value is ? I really feels Boston would be very fortunate if he could be moved for a second round pick. This is not a discussion on if he should be moved but rather what the return could be if he was traded.

 

[UncleRico]

I know you are a big Gryz fan and you know I am not. So I ask you what do you think Gryz's trade value is ? I really feels Boston would be very fortunate if he could be moved for a second round pick. This is not a discussion on if he should be moved but rather what the return could be if he was traded.

Personally I think I’m one of the very few who think Gryz is perfectly valued at his contract. I think he’s about an average 2 pairing D who has great puck retrieval skills and outstanding positioning. Obviously size is a short coming and there is more to be desired offensively, but that’s why he’s not making more money.

I feel like most people either think he’s very over or under valued . I actually think Gryz is one of the more appropriately valued players by their contract.

 

[rfournier103]

I think it comes down to which hole is easier to fill: 1C or 2C??? 1Cs are harder to find & they cost a lot whether it's the contract or price to acquire if he's not UFA. The Bruins do not have a 1C ready to step in, they have to do something. If I have to give up Zacha as part of a deal to get a good 1C like Lindholm I'm inclined to do it provided he signs to stay here awhile, I'd never do it for a one year rental. He's still young and productive.

I would be willing to make a trade with the Flames, but I would not trade Zacha as part of a deal unless we got someone else who is also pretty good in return.

I’ve heard it said that you build down the middle and work your way out. The Bruins could do a lot worse than Lindholm at 1C and Zacha at 2C. Not sure how likely this is to happen, but it sure makes for good discussion here.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

FA signings brought this team back from the dead. (Chara, Savard) Hopefully this time around it buys us time to draft a long-term solution.

That said, this team has been rated the 32nd prospect pool 5 years running. How have we done the last 5 years? A Cup final, best record in history... Have we not had prospects come out of our cesspool in the last 5 years that contributed to that success? According to NHL.com, here's a list of the rookies that played for us in the last 5 years; Heinen, DeBrusk, McAvoy, Grzelcyk, Kuraly, Frederic, Swayman, Clifton, Lauzon...

Hopefully, the current pool has a few gems in it as well; Lohrei, Lysell, Poitras, maybe there will be some useful role players in there in guys like Beecher, Duran, Brunet, Edward...

I would say that the addition of Claude Julien along with the FA additions of Chara\Savard brought them back. After all, Chara and Savard were part of the team that DNQ in 2006-07, which also included pre-concussion Bergeron and Tim Thomas.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Maybe Hampus and Ullmark would make nice teammates for Elias and all, but this still smells like very wishful thinking. We don’t have the assets and trading Zacha just creates another hole.

His value is north of what DeBrincat was dealt for (1st, 20 goal winger, D prospect and 4th).

Love to see it. Don’t see it happening.

He's a UFA to be, if the Flames don't move him before the season starts or Lindholm's list of teams he'll re-sign with is small, the Flames may not get as huge of a return as they could.

 

[bme44]

Personally I think I’m one of the very few who think Gryz is perfectly valued at his contract. I think he’s about an average 2 pairing D who has great puck retrieval skills and outstanding positioning. Obviously size is a short coming and there is more to be desired offensively, but that’s why he’s not making more money.

I feel like most people either think he’s very over or under valued . I actually think Gryz is one of the more appropriately valued players by their contract.

I personally think he is a#5 Dman at best . I feel it is time to move on from him and his cap hit could be used to help improve the team. As i stated before I am really not trying to discuss his value more concerned with what his trade value is.

 

[wintersej]

I know you are a big Gryz fan and you know I am not. So I ask you what do you think Gryz's trade value is ? I really feels Boston would be very fortunate if he could be moved for a second round pick. This is not a discussion on if he should be moved but rather what the return could be if he was traded.

The hard part is that everyone is up against the cap so it messes up valuations. Whether you are a fan or not, he is a guy that has played top pair at 5 on 5 for one of the best teams in the league. Since Chara left and he took that role full time, only Toews, Weegar, McAvoy and Makar have a better +\-. That’s real results and not relying on fancy stats. Now, no need to restart the playoff Gryz vs regular season Gryz stuff. I suspect that some pro teams would be more wary of his size than others and leave it at that. But the problem remains that no one can afford anything. At the deadline with retention that certainly opens things up. But you still need a particular fit. A team that has room for a small defender but doesn’t need PP help. A team that is a bit plodding on the backend and needs help moving the puck. And one that is out there on the rental market. I can’t say what that team is right now. I suspect there will be some teams that fit the bill come the trade deadline but that it would still be a limited market. I don’t think you are wrong in your evaluation even if I like the player a lot more than you.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I don't care about creating another problem. I would trade a first plus Zacha.

If there wasn't a NTC\NMC issue, I don't see the value of this train of thought.

Don't you think it makes sense to see how Zacha does first? He took a significant jump in his play last year. Went from 36 to 57 pts.

 

[goldnblack]

I'd rather wait and see where we are at the deadline this year. If we're out of a playoff spot, we have some very interesting contracts to sell for picks. That would go a long way towards clearing the deck for a huge free agent season in July, and restock some picks. I just don't think the Bruins should do much till then.

 

[HuskyBruinPride]

If there wasn't a NTC\NMC issue, I don't see the value of this train of thought.

Don't you think it makes sense to see how Zacha does first? He took a significant jump in his play last year. Went from 36 to 57 pts.

Exactly. Trading Zacha who just took a big step forward and might have room for even more growth now that he's being given a bigger role is just silly. We need to find a way to keep Zacha and add another top 6 center.

 

[TCB]

I don't care about creating another problem. I would trade a first plus Zacha.

If losing Zacha brings in Lindholm, I don't see the problem

 

[Hookslide]

If there wasn't a NTC\NMC issue, I don't see the value of this train of thought.

Don't you think it makes sense to see how Zacha does first? He took a significant jump in his play last year. Went from 36 to 57 pts.

I absolutely wait and see how he does first , my opinion he has not reached his ceiling yet , if he just jumps half the increase from last year you are looking at 67 points this year , would any of us not take that ? with his skill level age and contract he is a definite wait and see candidate ..............