2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion - Draft Lottery Edition

[Bleach Clean]

Perrault and Wood late risers?

Everyone’s been raving about how good Wood has been

Leonard too actually

Perrault should go top10~, much like Cole Perfetti did. As should Wood.

 

[Canucks LB]

Thought this was interesting.

This is great man, exactly what i was thinking recently

 

[LemonSauceD]

Perrault should go top10~, much like Cole Perfetti did. As should Wood.

I’m liking Perrault and Wood so much, I wonder if Reinbacher is available and one of those guys is as well, would the forward be the better option.

I think due to team needs, if Reinbacher/ASP are available, we’d have to go for them. Though I certainly wouldn’t mind taking a forward.

If all is well, we should be coming away with one of Reinbacher/ASP/Perrault/Wood/Moore.

 

[DFAC]

Perrault should go top10~, much like Cole Perfetti did. As should Wood.

If he does then that means someone else has to fall out of the too 10. Im still holding out hope Benson somehow drops to us….

Anyone else hear Chris Faber on Canucks Talk? He said he highly doubts Danielson will be there at 11 when the Canucks pick. Maybe he has some insider info that teams have Danielson rated very highly?

 

[kmwtrucks]

Terrible idea.

You are getting him off the books for what? We aren't going to be a contender next year and his contract expires after the end of next year so it's no longer an issue.

assuming that cap only goes to 83.5 you are already over that figure and that is without adding Mikheyve back and his 4.75 and that only includes 5 DEF and 1 goalie. that is keeping pollman and pearson on LTIR. So lets call you 1.5 over and you add $1 mil for a goalie and a D man so that is 3.5 over add back 3.75 (4.75-$1mil only need 13 forwards) and $850K for kuzmenko bonus overage. you are roughly 8.35 mil over the salary cap. also when you trade away a player generally deduct $1mil from your savings since you need to add a player back. So even if you trade Meyers you are still 3.35 over. OEL is non started would need mutiple 1sts to dump and garland and boeser are over paid with term so they get hard to move unless you want to retain for multiple years. Getting meyers off the books to move down 9 spots is actaully a pretty fair deal if you look at the cost to get $6 mil off your books historically. you gave us a 2nd rd to get 2 years of dickson at 2.75 off your books

 

[Bleach Clean]

If he does then that means someone else has to fall out of the too 10. Im still holding out hope Benson somehow drops to us….

Anyone else hear Chris Faber on Canucks Talk? He said he highly doubts Danielson will be there at 11 when the Canucks pick. Maybe he has some insider info that teams have Danielson rated very highly?

Centres and Dmen should push up and so the Danielson news doesn’t surprise me. I also expect Reinbacher, Moore and Sandin Pellikka to get heavy consideration in the 7-10 spots.

Wood seems like such a fit for STL though. Plays how they want to play. Had a profile similar to their previous picks.

 

[VanJack]

I know fans in Canada get worked up about the NHL entry draft, but sometimes it takes looking south to the Excited States of America, to realize how 'small potatoes' it really is.

The hype and anticipation around Thursday's NFL draft is an eye-opener and never ceases to amaze. It's become almost a national obsession, and makes you realize that America really is a four-down football nation. Next up on the excitement meter is the NBA draft, then the MLB draft.

Finally there's Gary Bettman's NHL draft in late June every year, just about at the point in the calendar where fans are exchanging sweaters and jackets for shorts and flip-flops. Not sure that a lot of fans in NHL markets south of the line even know the draft-eligible players or who they're team might pick.

But that's just the way it is, and always will be, I guess.

 

[Raistlin]

nothing really jumps out at me with ASP when it comes to van drafting him, maybe because I watch QH too much and I am evaulating him with QH lens. he doesnt make the best decisions, his shot is not a as heavy as I'd like to be on the other point. it does get through. If Reinbacher is not there, I would love to have Perrault or Moore.

I know fans in Canada get worked up about the NHL entry draft, but sometimes it takes looking south to the Excited States of America, to realize how 'small potatoes' it really is.

The hype and anticipation around Thursday's NFL draft is an eye-opener and never ceases to amaze. It's become almost a national obsession, and makes you realize that America really is a four-down football nation. Next up on the excitement meter is the NBA draft, then the MLB draft.

Finally there's Gary Bettman's NHL draft in late June every year, just about at the point in the calendar where fans are exchanging sweaters and jackets for shorts and flip-flops. Not sure that a lot of fans in NHL markets south of the line even know the draft-eligible players or who they're team might pick.

But that's just the way it is, and always will be, I guess.

I like it, we can claim hockey as our national obssession. something uniquely culturally canadian.

 

[Gstank]

If he does then that means someone else has to fall out of the too 10. Im still holding out hope Benson somehow drops to us….

Anyone else hear Chris Faber on Canucks Talk? He said he highly doubts Danielson will be there at 11 when the Canucks pick. Maybe he has some insider info that teams have Danielson rated very highly?

Realistically some teams will probably list him as the best C available outside the top 4.

Bedard
MIchkov
Carlsson
Fantilli

I could definitely see a team taking Danielson at 5 as he projects as a top 6 C. Smith, Moore and Benson are seen as kind of hybrid Cs/Ws which may make them drop come draft time if a team sees them as undersized Wingers instead of C's

If Smith and Benson are seen as Wingers. I think teams may choose, Wood, Honzak, Barlow over those two players as they have large bodies, high offensive instincts and can win board battles. When you project those 3 players you can comps similar to players who will never be traded because of their all around skillset is something that is valuable and hard to come by.

after the top 4
Dvorsky and Danielson are the best 2 C's on the board and there is no question they will stick a C at the NHL level

 

[Bleach Clean]

I’m liking Perrault and Wood so much, I wonder if Reinbacher is available and one of those guys is as well, would the forward be the better option.

I think due to team needs, if Reinbacher/ASP are available, we’d have to go for them. Though I certainly wouldn’t mind taking a forward.

If all is well, we should be coming away with one of Reinbacher/ASP/Perrault/Wood/Moore.

Of the 5, I think only ASP slips to 11 in an unlucky draft.

I think Moore, Danielson (based upon DFAC's insight from Faber), Reinbacher and Wood go after the top5 + Smith. So something like this:

1. Bedard
2. Fantilli
3. Carlsson
4. Michkov
5. Benson
6. Smith
7. Moore
8. Reinbacher
9. Danielson
10. Wood

Cs and Ds maybe overvalued, Ws slip and secondary Ds slip. The exception being Wood who has that combination of size + talent teams clamour for.

This leaves Perreault, ASP, Dvorsky, Sale, Simashev and Sawchyn to decide over.

 

[Zombotron]

i'd be stoked to get Gabe Perreault at 11

 

[Raistlin]

i'd be stoked to get Gabe Perreault at 11

he is shooting up the rankings. A couple months ago, some still thought he would go late 20s.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I know fans in Canada get worked up about the NHL entry draft, but sometimes it takes looking south to the Excited States of America, to realize how 'small potatoes' it really is.

The hype and anticipation around Thursday's NFL draft is an eye-opener and never ceases to amaze. It's become almost a national obsession, and makes you realize that America really is a four-down football nation. Next up on the excitement meter is the NBA draft, then the MLB draft.

Finally there's Gary Bettman's NHL draft in late June every year, just about at the point in the calendar where fans are exchanging sweaters and jackets for shorts and flip-flops. Not sure that a lot of fans in NHL markets south of the line even know the draft-eligible players or who they're team might pick.

But that's just the way it is, and always will be, I guess.

I don't think most MLB fans know when the draft is and couldn't name any of the last first overall picks in the last 5 years. Nba draft gets a lot of hype from the lottery picks but I think viewership after takes a dive after that because late firsts are traded like candy in the NBA. The NFL draft is just such a big event it's insane. The NHL draft is not that far away from the NBA a least the first round after that I don' t think anyone but hardcore fans watch it.

he is shooting up the rankings. A couple months ago, some still thought he would go late 20s.

He is still going 10-20. Skating is not great, horrible defensively dude flys the zone and cherry picks a ton and small. Way too much risk to be a top 10 pick someone is making a mistake if he goes top 10.

 

[alternate]

The NFL also has a 53 man roster, dresses 45 players on game day, and has no farm system. This means the draft is about next season, not just the future, unlike hockey outside maybe the first couple picks.

Basketball's draft also sees more immediate returns, especially the first dozen+ picks. Think that makes the draft appeal to a wider percentage of fans, compared to NHL amd MLB drafts that can take years to produce fruit.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I don't think most MLB fans know when the draft is and couldn't name any of the last first overall picks in the last 5 years. Nba draft gets a lot of hype from the lottery picks but I think viewership after takes a dive after that because late firsts are traded like candy in the NBA. The NFL draft is just such a big event it's insane. The NHL draft is not that far away from the NBA a least the first round after that I don' t think anyone but hardcore fans watch it.


He is still going 10-20. Skating is not great, horrible defensively dude flys the zone and cherry picks a ton and small. Way too much risk to be a top 10 pick someone is making a mistake if he goes top 10.

You should watch his defensive work at the U18’s. He’s been one of their best defensive forwards, surprisingly. His skating won’t be enough to hold him back. He’s got good straight line speed.

Moore, Perrault, Reinbacher, Wood…. surely one of these guys are available with our pick…

 

[bandwagonesque]

Nobody is taking on 6 MIL AAV contract (his bonus is due on sept 1st) on SEPT 2nd without a sweetner. 90% of the teams are up against the cap by SEPT.

This just isn't true. There were 5 teams who had enough cap space last September to take on this contract without moving any salary and considering how weak the UFA class is this season I expect there will be more this September. Most of them will be far less concerned with cap hit that with real salary and several make sense as destinations for Myers.

 

[4Twenty]

This just isn't true. There were 5 teams who had enough cap space last September to take on this contract without moving any salary and considering how weak the UFA class is this season I expect there will be more this September. Most of them will be far less concerned with cap hit that with real salary and several make sense as destinations for Myers.

Can you show your work? I could only find end of season cap numbers.

I find it incredible how few people would move down 8 places in the draft to create $6m in space.

You don’t think a sweetener would be required?

Like what team is going to get Vancouver out of cap jail (they will be way over because they’ll add he bodies they want July 1st) without a sweetener.

Another year of waiting for prospects to develop and contracts to expire doesn’t scream … sign here Elias. They’ve got to do something NOW.

The time is now.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I like Moore quite a bit.

He's got speed and hockey sense and he seems to be in the position of doing the heavy lifting on his own on the 2nd line.

I feel like players who are 'overshadowed' by a super line on their own team often get underrated because they don't appear to be as successful as the line that is globetrotting within the same game.

 

[MarkMM]

Of the 5, I think only ASP slips to 11 in an unlucky draft.

I think Moore, Danielson (based upon DFAC's insight from Faber), Reinbacher and Wood go after the top5 + Smith. So something like this:

1. Bedard
2. Fantilli
3. Carlsson
4. Michkov
5. Benson
6. Smith
7. Moore
8. Reinbacher
9. Danielson
10. Wood

Cs and Ds maybe overvalued, Ws slip and secondary Ds slip. The exception being Wood who has that combination of size + talent teams clamour for.

This leaves Perreault, ASP, Dvorsky, Sale, Simashev and Sawchyn to decide over.

Not bad consolation prizes.

 

[VanJack]

You don't have to go very far south to see the NFL-NHL disconnect.

The expansion Kraken are fighting tooth and nail in their first Stanley Cup playoff series with the reigning Stanley Cup champions.

Yet the lead on every sportscast down there is who the Seattle Seahawks will select with the fifth overall pick in tomorrow night's draft. The Kraken finally made it on to the front pages of the Seattle Times, recently. And obviously they fill the Climate Pledge Arena with passionate fans.

But once you get a couple of blocks away from the Arena, it's NFL football 24-7.

 

[Bubbles]

I know fans in Canada get worked up about the NHL entry draft, but sometimes it takes looking south to the Excited States of America, to realize how 'small potatoes' it really is.

The hype and anticipation around Thursday's NFL draft is an eye-opener and never ceases to amaze. It's become almost a national obsession, and makes you realize that America really is a four-down football nation. Next up on the excitement meter is the NBA draft, then the MLB draft.

Finally there's Gary Bettman's NHL draft in late June every year, just about at the point in the calendar where fans are exchanging sweaters and jackets for shorts and flip-flops. Not sure that a lot of fans in NHL markets south of the line even know the draft-eligible players or who they're team might pick.

But that's just the way it is, and always will be, I guess.

The CFL draft has always been big in the US.

 

[RebuildinVan]

The NFL also has a 53 man roster, dresses 45 players on game day, and has no farm system. This means the draft is about next season, not just the future, unlike hockey outside maybe the first couple picks.

Basketball's draft also sees more immediate returns, especially the first dozen+ picks. Think that makes the draft appeal to a wider percentage of fans, compared to NHL amd MLB drafts that can take years to produce fruit.

The NFL draft usually has alot of trade action in it too

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

People salivating at Wood.

How very Vancouver.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I know fans in Canada get worked up about the NHL entry draft, but sometimes it takes looking south to the Excited States of America, to realize how 'small potatoes' it really is.

The hype and anticipation around Thursday's NFL draft is an eye-opener and never ceases to amaze. It's become almost a national obsession, and makes you realize that America really is a four-down football nation. Next up on the excitement meter is the NBA draft, then the MLB draft.

Finally there's Gary Bettman's NHL draft in late June every year, just about at the point in the calendar where fans are exchanging sweaters and jackets for shorts and flip-flops. Not sure that a lot of fans in NHL markets south of the line even know the draft-eligible players or who they're team might pick.

But that's just the way it is, and always will be, I guess.

Its not just about the popularity of the sports.

NFL draft is the best.

There drafting for positional need is actually viable. The system is far far more interesting than the way the NHL draft works.

NBA draft is weird. The differences between draft classes are absolutely insane.

No clue about the MLB draft.

 

[VanJack]

In the NFL, teams rent arenas to host their 'draft parties'......NHL teams plan the same event at the local neighborhood pub.