2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion - Draft Lottery Edition

[MarkMM]

I would do that for OEL, but Meyers will have value at the trade deadline.

Yeah, I doubt that would get it done for OEL (unless we added full retention on top) and it's not worth it for Meyers.

 

[Knight53]

Don’t think I’ve seen a list with Dvorsky so highly

He’s having a massive offensive tournament. 6’1 200+ already and defensively advanced. Honestly can’t see him getting past Montreal. Would be thrilled with him tho would slot in perfectly behind EP

Pettersson
Dvorsky
Raty

Is a nice future centre spine

 

[Canucks LB]

Man this sucks, Everytime I have a clear mindset, I go watch some more clips, Sit down, chill and enjoy hours of "tape"
Also The U18 has been a huge eye opener, When i focus on tourny, I take them usually for a grain of salt.
But this year feels so different, So many players are standing out to me, with tenacity and tools.
damn

 

[Vector]

I was looking into Danielson after a few people had mentioned him and I’m impressed with his skating and hands. He has a very smooth stride and change of direction that looks easy. Maybe he doesn’t have the absolute offensive ceiling as some of the small wingers ranked around 11 but if his transition and two way game are as good as some of the scouting reports suggest I’d like that pick at 11.

His ranking seems to be all over the place, possibly as some scouts value offensive ceiling over all else. A smooth skating two-way RH C with good size is an incredibly valuable asset.

The knock on him seems to be that he doesn’t have any really elite tools, but that skating and ability to handle the puck smoothly at speed and 33g, 78p in 68 games while facing top competition on a relatively weak team is a strong base.

I think it was mentioned somewhere on these boards that there is a bit of a difference between Best Player Available and Best Asset Available due to positional value and I believe that’s the case.

This tracks with everything I've read about Danielson. Has every trait to be a successful NHL player but doesn't have home-run potential. He's a guy I'd take a long hard look at for #11.

 

[Knight53]

One thing from last years draft video released by the Canucks is they want to go for that upside, homerun potential. Those gritty safe players you can get through UFA/trades.

Eduard Sale comes to mind. This is a player that might explode next year.

 

[Vector]

One thing from last years draft video released by the Canucks is they want to go for that upside, homerun potential. Those gritty safe players you can get through UFA/trades.

Eduard Sale comes to mind. This is a player that might explode next year.

I asked Chris Faber if there were any trends he's noticed, or expects, with this team's draft strategies. He says that they seem to like Swedes and players with size.

I don't think there's enough data one way or another to really definitively say if anything above ends up being a trend. Only one draft to speak of and it's a decently diverse selection of players. I do think drafting for upside makes a lot of sense and even more so in the middle-to-later rounds. Picking a player with at least one very good skill or trait then hope they can develop others and become someone worth a contract.

 

[Vector]

Does anyone have any guys they like from the 3rd round on-wards?

I've identified a few guys who's profile is intriguing but I don't have the time to watch any of them.

3rd-4th (some will go in the 2nd):

Gavin McCarthy	RD	USA	USHL	Jun 2, 2005	42	8	19	27	52 (NA)	6'2''	185lbs
Felix Nilsson	C	Sweden	Swe-Jr	Jun 22, 2005	36	19	22	41	24 (EUR)	6'0''	176lbs
Andrew Gibson	RD	Canada	OHL	Feb 13, 2005	45	7	14	21	31 (NA)	6'3''	196lbs
Tristan Bertucci	LD	Canada	OHL	Jul 12, 2005	63	11	39	50	32 (NA)	6'2''	172lbs
Rasmus Kumpulainen	C	Finland	Finland-Jr	Aug 8, 2005	41	11	23	34	22 (EUR)	6'2''	191lbs
Tanner Ludtke	C	USA	USHL	Nov 27, 2004	57	32	34	66	53 (NA)	6'0''	185lbs
Brady Cleveland	LD	USA	NTDP	April 1, 2005	19	0	3	3	64 (NA)	6'5''	211lbs
Jaden Lipinski	C	USA	WHL	Dec 2, 2004	66	19	32	51	49 (NA)	6'4''	204lbs
Arttu Karki	LD	Finland	Finland-Jr	Dec 8, 2004	36	13	26	39	37 (EUR)	6'2''	176lbs
David Edstrom	C	Sweden	Swe-Jr	Feb 18, 2005	28	15	13	28	25 (EUR)	6'3''	185lbs
Oscar Fisker Molgaard	C	Denmark	SHL	Feb 18, 2005	41	4	3	7	18 (EUR)	6'0''	163lbs
Anton Wahlberg	C	Sweden	Swe-Jr	Jul 4, 2005	32	14	13	27	30 (EUR)	6'3''	185lbs

6th:

Owen Outwater	C	Canada	OHL	Jan 4, 2005	62	16	25	41	126 (NA)	6'2''	161lbs
Ty Higgins	RD	Canada	QMJHL	Sep 26, 2004	68	13	28	41	147 (NA)	6'0''	187lbs
Jonathan Castagna	C	Canada	CAHS	April 20, 2005	50	29	43	72	91 (NA)	6'1''	183lbs
Samuel Barcik	RD	Slovakia	Slovakia	Mar 22, 2005	38	0	2	2	60 (EUR)	6'3''	191lbs
Jiri Felcman	C	Czech	Swiss U20	Apr 17, 2005	40	10	21	31	67 (EUR)	6'4''	198lbs
Frantisek Dej	C	Slovakia	Slovakia-2	Feb 28, 2005	24	8	13	21	48 (EUR)	6'4''	200lbs
Rasmus Larsson	LD	Sweden	Swe-Jr	Feb 9, 2004	50	16	18	34	63 (EUR)	6'3''	200lbs
Mazden Leslie	RD	Canada	WHL	Apr 15, 2005	66	12	38	50	125 (NA)	6'0''	193lbs
Daniil Karpovich	LD	Russia	MHL	Dec 6, 2004	47	10	25	35	59 (EUR)	6'3''	209lbs

 

[me2]

Absolutely not. Myers sucks, but he's on the last year of his deal and will be owed almost nothing when the season starts. Definitely would not be sweetening that deal with our first.

Would you do 11 for 20+Gavrikov?

 

[me2]

Man this sucks, Everytime I have a clear mindset, I go watch some more clips, Sit down, chill and enjoy hours of "tape"
Also The U18 has been a huge eye opener, When i focus on tourny, I take them usually for a grain of salt.
But this year feels so different, So many players are standing out to me, with tenacity and tools.
damn

It's an amazing draft. Sucks not to be loading up.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Would you do 11 for 20+Gavrikov?

Gavrikov is a UFA and we could sign him for no assets and just a contract.

 

[Vector]

Gavrikov is a UFA and we could sign him for no assets and just a contract.

What he's implying is that the space cleared up from getting rid of Myers without taking anything on would be reallocated to Gavrikov.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

What he's implying is that the space cleared up from getting rid of Myers without taking anything on would be reallocated to Gavrikov.

Myers will be owed 1 million after the bonus is paid. He will be movable to a team trying to reach the cap floor. He will also bring back something at the trade deadline. I’d hold pat as even if you miss out on Gavrikov next years UFA crop looks to be much better.

 

[me2]

Agreed, I can see Perrault being drafted much higher, perhaps Habs take him at 5/6 due to them needing above average skilled players as well as the Yanic Perrault connection.

There’s a real good chance Reinbacher, ASP, Yager, Perrault, dare I might add Smith that could easily fall right into our laps. The 6-13 in this draft easily go top 5 in most drafts. After the first 6 picks, the BPA is quite subjective.

IMHO the big 4 + Smith and probably Benson are locked in to go before 10. It's a mystery bag after that, there are going to be several reputable lists top 10 projected prospects still available down to 16-18 range. Yzerman could walk away with one of Reinbacher, Moore, Yager, Perrault or Dvorsky etc. Players you would be fine with around 8-11.

 

[alternate]

Would you do 11 for 20+Gavrikov?

Not without seeing how the board shakes out and knowing what Gavrikov's next contract looks like.

I feel there is going to be a future core piece at 11 that will help us sooner than later, assuming we pick the right guy. The cost certainty of a contributing ELC is worth more to me than clearing Myers' cap hit a couple months early.

This assumes there's a market for the big guy, even if it doesn't materialize until September.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Not without seeing how the board shakes out and knowing what Gavrikov's next contract looks like.

I feel there is going to be a future core piece at 11 that will help us sooner than later, assuming we pick the right guy. The cost certainty of a contributing ELC is worth more to me than clearing Myers' cap hit a couple months early.

This assumes there's a market for the big guy, even if it doesn't materialize until September.

I am so tired of trading draft picks to make our cap position worse. Getting Hronek may cost us another draft pick this year, just to move out salary. So incompetent. Unless we make some major moves at the draft that moves out salary (Boeser, Garland, OEL, Meyers and Miller all come to mind) we will not be signing any FA no matter how good a deal they are, unless they are league minimum contracts. And we certainly haven't heard of anyone lining up for any of those players.

What is so frustrating is that we are going to get a good player at 11, could have had the NYI pick and our 2nd in a year where it would be really worth while to have more picks.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Allvin's at the IIHF U18's and probably saying, "Yikes, I should have shut down Miller and played our premier Tank-goalies more when I had the chance."

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[Canucks LB]

Allvin's at the IIHF U18's and probably saying, "Yikes, I should have shut down Miller and played our premier Tank-goalies more when I had the chance."

World U18 Championship: Will Smith's Hat Trick Leads USA To Gold Medal Game - FloHockey

The U.S. National Under-18 Team is headed back to the gold-medal game, seeking their first U18 World Championship since 2017.

www.flohockey.tv

If the top wasn’t so ridiculous, he would be my first or second overall pick.
He’s absolutely flied up my rankings, everything I have seen from him, even before the tournament, just superstar

 

[sting101]

If the top wasn’t so ridiculous, he would be my first or second overall pick.
He’s absolutely flied up my rankings, everything I have seen from him, even before the tournament, just superstar

Yes he's quite the talent isnt he LB? I had him in my top4 in my posted March 1st round and got carved for it then. I have to believe some people will see why now, he's gonna be a 80-100 Pt 1C IMO.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Man Stenberg is so good, 14 points now and just missed on a breakaway. I think he has firmly put himself into that second tier of centers after (Bedard, Fantili, Smith and Carlsson). Also been very underwhelmed with evey canadian defender in the tournament, Morin has been good since he has arrived though.

 

[Knight53]

Stenberg dominating Canada. Tom Willander looks really good.

Barlow/Cristall look terrible.

 

[sting101]

Cristall has been horrendous that 6th goal he lagged on the neutral zone back pressure and then missed his check going to the net. Just a dagger to follow up a weak ass call on MacDonell that handed them the 5-2 lead. Complete one way talent who will be pushed to the perimeter and benched by a pro coach. Not interested i dont care about his upside and talent. Soft slow small winger who will get crushed by NHL defenseman with half the crap he tries to pull. What a terrible tournament.

 

[sting101]

Does anyone have any guys they like from the 3rd round on-wards?

I've identified a few guys who's profile is intriguing but I don't have the time to watch any of them.

3rd-4th (some will go in the 2nd):

Gavin McCarthy	RD	USA	USHL	Jun 2, 2005	42	8	19	27	52 (NA)	6'2''	185lbs
Felix Nilsson	C	Sweden	Swe-Jr	Jun 22, 2005	36	19	22	41	24 (EUR)	6'0''	176lbs
Andrew Gibson	RD	Canada	OHL	Feb 13, 2005	45	7	14	21	31 (NA)	6'3''	196lbs
Tristan Bertucci	LD	Canada	OHL	Jul 12, 2005	63	11	39	50	32 (NA)	6'2''	172lbs
Rasmus Kumpulainen	C	Finland	Finland-Jr	Aug 8, 2005	41	11	23	34	22 (EUR)	6'2''	191lbs
Tanner Ludtke	C	USA	USHL	Nov 27, 2004	57	32	34	66	53 (NA)	6'0''	185lbs
Brady Cleveland	LD	USA	NTDP	April 1, 2005	19	0	3	3	64 (NA)	6'5''	211lbs
Jaden Lipinski	C	USA	WHL	Dec 2, 2004	66	19	32	51	49 (NA)	6'4''	204lbs
Arttu Karki	LD	Finland	Finland-Jr	Dec 8, 2004	36	13	26	39	37 (EUR)	6'2''	176lbs
David Edstrom	C	Sweden	Swe-Jr	Feb 18, 2005	28	15	13	28	25 (EUR)	6'3''	185lbs
Oscar Fisker Molgaard	C	Denmark	SHL	Feb 18, 2005	41	4	3	7	18 (EUR)	6'0''	163lbs
Anton Wahlberg	C	Sweden	Swe-Jr	Jul 4, 2005	32	14	13	27	30 (EUR)	6'3''	185lbs

6th:

Owen Outwater	C	Canada	OHL	Jan 4, 2005	62	16	25	41	126 (NA)	6'2''	161lbs
Ty Higgins	RD	Canada	QMJHL	Sep 26, 2004	68	13	28	41	147 (NA)	6'0''	187lbs
Jonathan Castagna	C	Canada	CAHS	April 20, 2005	50	29	43	72	91 (NA)	6'1''	183lbs
Samuel Barcik	RD	Slovakia	Slovakia	Mar 22, 2005	38	0	2	2	60 (EUR)	6'3''	191lbs
Jiri Felcman	C	Czech	Swiss U20	Apr 17, 2005	40	10	21	31	67 (EUR)	6'4''	198lbs
Frantisek Dej	C	Slovakia	Slovakia-2	Feb 28, 2005	24	8	13	21	48 (EUR)	6'4''	200lbs
Rasmus Larsson	LD	Sweden	Swe-Jr	Feb 9, 2004	50	16	18	34	63 (EUR)	6'3''	200lbs
Mazden Leslie	RD	Canada	WHL	Apr 15, 2005	66	12	38	50	125 (NA)	6'0''	193lbs
Daniil Karpovich	LD	Russia	MHL	Dec 6, 2004	47	10	25	35	59 (EUR)	6'3''	209lbs

Egor Sidorov?

i was hyping Andrew Gibson a few months ago as a potential 2nd 3rd rounder but with no 2nd i highly doubt he would be available now given his showing for Canada. Wouldn't surprise me to see him go 1st round as a project with big upside. Would run to the mic for that in the 3rd

Allen and Bertucci if they fall to that range could be solid picks. Bertucci has some interesting tools that could blossom with a nice physical package.

Juraj Pekarcic would be a decent late round gamble

Edstrom Wahlberg Nilsson and Molgaard will probably all be long gone by our 3rd. I'm not sure Nillsons game will translate that well.

 

[sting101]

Pretty underwhelming performances by a number of Canada's highly rated draft eligibles. I get chemistry can be an issue and Sweden certainly had our number in this tourney on the big ice as for some reason we seemed so willing to turn pucks over at the blue lines and lacked in back pressure and coverage but make no excuses Swedens top players out played ours.

Cristall Lardis Barlow and Heidt certainly didnt do anything to help their draft status from my perspective overall and Wood and Ritchie who had been good at times sure came up lame today. Dragicevic (who i actually like more than others) showed the inconsistencies in pace of play that has many scouting agencies questioning what he will become. Sometimes he looks so choppy it's hard to see how he can skate at a NHL level. Just re enforces how young and how much work has to be done.

Not gonna let it impact my ranking too much with the small sample but it does confirm some things i had seen in certain players and raises a few questions

 

[LemonSauceD]

Pretty underwhelming performances by a number of Canada's highly rated draft eligibles. I get chemistry can be an issue and Sweden certainly had our number in this tourney on the big ice as for some reason we seemed so willing to turn pucks over at the blue lines and lacked in back pressure and coverage but make no excuses Swedens top players out played ours.

Cristall Lardis Barlow and Heidt certainly didnt do anything to help their draft status from my perspective overall and Wood and Ritchie who had been good at times sure came up lame today. Dragicevic (who i actually like more than others) showed the inconsistencies in pace of play that has many scouting agencies questioning what he will become. Sometimes he looks so choppy it's hard to see how he can skate at a NHL level. Just re enforces how young and how much work has to be done.

Not gonna let it impact my ranking too much with the small sample but it does confirm some things i had seen in certain players and raises a few questions

The drop off after the 20th pick is insane.

I was just going to come and post about Gibson. He would be a terrific add if we could somehow grab a 2nd round pick. His size and skating is great.

 

[Canucks LB]

Cristall has been horrendous that 6th goal he lagged on the neutral zone back pressure and then missed his check going to the net. Just a dagger to follow up a weak ass call on MacDonell that handed them the 5-2 lead. Complete one way talent who will be pushed to the perimeter and benched by a pro coach. Not interested i dont care about his upside and talent. Soft slow small winger who will get crushed by NHL defenseman with half the crap he tries to pull. What a terrible tournament.

I hope I’m wrong about the kid, because I want everybody to succeed, but I just don’t see it, I never saw it, his highlight packages always looks good, but the translatable skills are pretty much, nonexistent, defensively, and only parts of him offensively.

Honestly, I don’t have him in my first round, and I would struggle even taken him early in my second round.